[staph]

Originally posted by typ993:
Here's a cool new feature (at least I think it's new; I hadn't noticed it in 5.0):

When browsing some forums, hovering the cursor over the link displays the first part of the text of the first post.

Example:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...?s=&forumid=58

I'm not sure if this is a site-specific thing where the forum software offers the ability to dump the post text into the alt tag, though.

Still, cool!

It's displaying the title attribute for the table cell � the forum software creates the tooltip, OmniWeb only displays it.

Nice forum feature though. I think.

[squilla]

5.1 beta 2 is up

[F_Elz]

Fast

[Le Flaneur]

I think that there still are important memory leaks. I was closing tabs, and memory usage was RISING. Anyone else?

[drainyoo]

Originally posted by Le Flaneur:
I think that there still are important memory leaks. I was closing tabs, and memory usage was RISING. Anyone else?

They kind of fixed the memory leak. It still takes up a lot of memory but not as much as it use it.

They have also included a debugging option for those who see inexplicable high CPU usage. If you are getting high CPU usage please do this so we can get it fixed. See the release notes for more information about this.

http://www.omnigroup.com/application.../releasenotes/

[drainyoo]

Man the CPU usage is even worse now. It doesnt spike at all. It just consistently hovers around 90%. Looks like its back to 5.0.1

[cgc]

Originally posted by Boondoggle:
I LOVE most of the features in Omniweb. I don't like the look. The Favorites Bar is BUTT-UGLY compared to the Safari implementation, and the buttons are too 90's for me.

I also feel the bookmarks could be laid out a bit better. I had some trouble figuring out how to get my imported Safari books to display in the Bookmark Menu. Personal Bookmarks appears to mean bookmark menu. I think.

There are a few things that I don't understand. Since OW uses webCore, I expected pages to display exactly like Safari, but they don't. I also expected logging in to USBank online banking to fail like Safari, but it works in OW.

bd

If you get CandyBar 2, Safaricon, and Pic2Icon you can make Omniweb beautiful. Open Candybar and drop the Omniweb program into the App Extras dropbox. Candybar will examine Omniweb for icons. Then, I start Pic2Icon and go to Home-->library-->application support-->safaricon-->themes and drop whatever folder of icons I like (panorama metal is my fave) onto Pic2Icon. Pic2Icon will take the contents of each file and change the icon to match the contents. Then you can enter that folder and drag and drop any icons you like from the folder to the Candybar dropboxes.

I have Omniweb looking like panorama metal, and had it looking like BBX, or Safari. Just prefer free-standing icons (not those icons that need to touch another). It works with mail.app, or any other packaged program.

[cpac]

Originally posted by cgc:
If you get CandyBar 2, Safaricon, and Pic2Icon you can make Omniweb beautiful. Open Candybar and drop the Omniweb program into the App Extras dropbox. Candybar will examine Omniweb for icons. Then, I start Pic2Icon and go to Home-->library-->application support-->safaricon-->themes and drop whatever folder of icons I like (panorama metal is my fave) onto Pic2Icon. Pic2Icon will take the contents of each file and change the icon to match the contents. Then you can enter that folder and drag and drop any icons you like from the folder to the Candybar dropboxes.

I have Omniweb looking like panorama metal, and had it looking like BBX, or Safari. Just prefer free-standing icons (not those icons that need to touch another). It works with mail.app, or any other packaged program.

or you could just wait for the promised OW themeing extra which will undoubtedly make this lots easier.

[Truepop]

Originally posted by cpac:
or you could just wait for the promised OW themeing extra which will undoubtedly make this lots easier.

is that slated for the next major or point release?

[JKT]

Originally posted by drainyoo:
Man the CPU usage is even worse now. It doesnt spike at all. It just consistently hovers around 90%. Looks like its back to 5.0.1

Have you tried deleting the ~/Library/Caches/com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5 folder yet? It is always best to do this if you are experiencing any issues and also before running any new beta release.

[cpac]

Originally posted by Truepop:
is that slated for the next major or point release?

It's actually supposed to be a separate application that can change themes for OW. Sombody from OG said (somewhere in this thread, actually) that it would probably be released inbetween 5.0 and 5.1 (and it still could be).

So OmniPeople, any word on when/how/if this is coming along?

[Cincojoe]

I still can't beleive they are charging money for such a buggy POS browser. AMAZING

[drainyoo]

Originally posted by JKT:
Have you tried deleting the ~/Library/Caches/com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5 folder yet? It is always best to do this if you are experiencing any issues and also before running any new beta release.

I havent tried it. Ill let ya know if that works. Thanks.

[cpac]

Originally posted by Cincojoe:
I still can't beleive they are charging money for such a buggy POS browser. AMAZING

I still can't believe somebody feels compelled to write out this sort of post.

[drainyoo]

Originally posted by Cincojoe:
I still can't beleive they are charging money for such a buggy POS browser. AMAZING

First thing OW is in now way a POS browser. Even with its bugs it still surpasses many of current browsers for OSX.

Second, you think the next version of Safari is free? The only way to get Safari RSS, which is the closest thing to OW when it comes to features, is to spend over $100 for Mac OSX.

So before making yourself look stupid, next time know what you are talking about.

[Cincojoe]

Well I did so deal with it.

If people wanmt to PAY for a browser that does not work, then by all means go for it. There are plenty of good FREE browsers that work just fine.

[drainyoo]

Originally posted by Cincojoe:
Well I did so deal with it.

If people wanmt to PAY for a browser that does not work, then by all means go for it. There are plenty of good FREE browsers that work just fine.

Um it works just fine. Most of the issues people are having is with the Betas.

[drainyoo]

Originally posted by JKT:
Have you tried deleting the ~/Library/Caches/com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5 folder yet? It is always best to do this if you are experiencing any issues and also before running any new beta release.

Didnt work man. CPU shot right up to 90% and just stayed there.

For those with a 17inch PB, you know that sizzling sound you get from the graphics card at times? Well with the new Betas, that sound is really loud and always there. Is anyone getting the same thing?

[cpac]

Originally posted by Cincojoe:
Well I did so deal with it.

If people wanmt to PAY for a browser that does not work, then by all means go for it. There are plenty of good FREE browsers that work just fine.

If it really didn't work, or didn't have anything to offer over other browsers, nobody would pay for it. However, there are many, myself included, who find not only that it works, but that it's absolutely worth the price of a license.

PS - the problems posted about on this page are regarding a beta version of the software. It's beta - that means they *know* it has problems. Final releases are far better.

PSS - you're free to not buy and OmniWeb license and to despise those of us that have, but browser debates have been going on for years, and they boil down to personal preference -- you're not going to change anybody's mind with posts like yours.

[juanvaldes]

just ignore the troll...

FYI for folks upgrading the 5.1 beta

OmniWeb Mailing List:

Clytie Siddall
> I've only just bought OmniWeb 5.0, yet when OW alerted me that the 5.1
> b2 was available (I already had b1) it said this would be a paid
> upgrade, that I would need a new licence.

Ken Case
Sorry about that! The "paid upgrade" alert was caused by a bug in 5.1
beta 1; if you check for updates from 5.0.1 it won't say anything about
paying for the upgrade. (This bug was fixed in beta 2, so you
shouldn't encounter this alert when the next release is available.)

[OAW]

OW 5 beta 2. Have 6 tabs open. Various forums on MacNN in fact. All are done rendering. The brower is just "idling" and the CPU is consistently in the 80+% range. It simply shouldn't be sucking up that much CPU to just sit there. I can see it doing that when it's rendering ... but definitely not when it's just idling.

Having said that, it's still a beta and I have no doubt that Omni will take care of this before the final 5.1 version is released.

OAW

[cpac]

Originally posted by OAW:
OW 5 beta 2. Have 6 tabs open. Various forums on MacNN in fact. All are done rendering. The brower is just "idling" and the CPU is consistently in the 80+% range. It simply shouldn't be sucking up that much CPU to just sit there. I can see it doing that when it's rendering ... but definitely not when it's just idling.

any chance it's the little smilies doing this? (does the CPU usage go down if you select the option to limit/turn off the animation of .gifs?)

[OAW]

Originally posted by cpac:
any chance it's the little smilies doing this? (does the CPU usage go down if you select the option to limit/turn off the animation of .gifs?)

I don't think so. It does the same thing on other web pages. I monitored CPU usage while it was rendering various pages and while it was just "idling" and there's no appreciable difference. It's like it doesn't let go of the CPU after the heavy lifting is done.

Moreover, the "menu" navigation on MSNBC.com no longer works. It worked fine in beta 1 and it's currently working in Safari so I know it's not the website itself.

OAW

[drainyoo]

Originally posted by OAW:
OW 5 beta 2. Have 6 tabs open. Various forums on MacNN in fact. All are done rendering. The brower is just "idling" and the CPU is consistently in the 80+% range. It simply shouldn't be sucking up that much CPU to just sit there. I can see it doing that when it's rendering ... but definitely not when it's just idling.

Having said that, it's still a beta and I have no doubt that Omni will take care of this before the final 5.1 version is released.

OAW

Dude send OG an error report.

They have included a debugging option for those who see inexplicable high CPU usage. If you are getting high CPU usage please do this so we can get it fixed. See the release notes for more information about this.

http://www.omnigroup.com/application.../releasenotes/

[cgc]

I remember a similar problem when I used to write programs on the Amiga computer. People wouldn't use the kernal command to wait for input, instead they looped infinitely waiting on input. Totally different method, and it resulted in 80-100% CPU usage. Hmmm...

I have OW 5.1 beta 1 version 563.15 and it uses 0% of CPU when done rendering pages. Maybe it uses so much CPU due to the advertising? I have no advertising...

[gregomni]

As far as we can tell from people's samples the problem looks like a scheduling issue of some sort. We have a thread that is supposed to be sleeping but it wakes up / sleeps / wakes up / sleeps a thousand times a second for no useful purpose.

It doesn't look like it should be possible for this to happen with the code we are using unless there is some sort of bug with the call we are using to sleep the thread, but it's hard to know for sure because we haven't been able to reproduce the problem internally yet.

But rest assured, OmniWeb should _not_ be taking any CPU after pages are rendered. If you see this (and there aren't any animations on the page(s)), please send us a sample report.

[Le Flaneur]

I'm not seeing the CPU usage problem, but what I am seeing is a drastic decrease in stability in b2. I've crashed 3 times this day alone. And thanks to the other bug, namely that OW will lose all of its tabs even when you have a workspace set to auto-save (this seems to be triggered by anything terminating the program besides command-Q), I just lost my multiple open tabs!

[workerbee]

Originally posted by drainyoo:
For those with a 17inch PB, you know that sizzling sound you get from the graphics card at times? Well with the new Betas, that sound is really loud and always there. Is anyone getting the same thing?

1.33 17" PB here -- and nothing of the sort you describe. The only apps I can hear are *%!&@# Macromedia apps. CPU usage with OW 5.1b2 is somewhere between 9% (while writing this into the forum form) to somewhere around 0% (iPulse is not that precise... but nice ) while not doing anything, with 2 windows and 4 to 6 tabs open.

[F_Elz]

OMG this browser (AeroBrowser) is copying the OW tabs!


from here:
http://board.iexbeta.com/index.php?showtopic=46220

[TimmyDee51]

Originally posted by F_Elz:
OMG this browser (AeroBrowser) is copying the OW tabs!


from here:
http://board.iexbeta.com/index.php?showtopic=46220

I'm not sure if you were trying to be funny (forgive me if you were), but Omni wasn't the first to do tabs like this, IIRC. The thing is, they're the one's who've done it best. And if by best, I mean "so unbelievably well I still find things about them that amaze me," then yes.

[F_Elz]

Really? Well yes I agree OW tabs are the best.

[TimmyDee51]

I can't remember what it was called, but I seem to remember seeing one for Windows that came out just before OW. Definitely not as good, but it had the concept there.

[yskar]

Originally posted by TimmyDee51:
I can't remember what it was called, but I seem to remember seeing one for Windows that came out just before OW. Definitely not as good, but it had the concept there.

iRider?

[drainyoo]

Originally posted by workerbee:
1.33 17" PB here -- and nothing of the sort you describe. The only apps I can hear are *%!&@# Macromedia apps. CPU usage with OW 5.1b2 is somewhere between 9% (while writing this into the forum form) to somewhere around 0% (iPulse is not that precise... but nice ) while not doing anything, with 2 windows and 4 to 6 tabs open.

I don't know why Im getting this. I deleted the cache file, cleaned everything out and Im getting crazy CPU usage with the betas. Oh well.

[cpac]

Originally posted by drainyoo:
I don't know why Im getting this. I deleted the cache file, cleaned everything out and Im getting crazy CPU usage with the betas. Oh well.

read greg's post above - it explains what they think is going on, and how you can help fix it.

[drainyoo]

Originally posted by cpac:
read greg's post above - it explains what they think is going on, and how you can help fix it.

Yeah I read it and Ive been sending in reports. Hope they can figure it out.

[squilla]

5.1 beta 3 is up.

They say they've fixed the CPU usage problem.

[Macanoid]

running smooth here - lovely as always.

[RedHerring]

Originally posted by squilla:
5.1 beta 3 is up.

They say they've fixed the CPU usage problem.

It does look like the CPU issue is fixed. But should it still be using 115 MB of memory? I opened 9 websites in tabs and the memory usage goes WAY up to 115 MB and then stays there. Is that normal?

[yskar]

Got faster. No problem so far.

[pliny]

Originally posted by RedHerring:
It does look like the CPU issue is fixed. But should it still be using 115 MB of memory? I opened 9 websites in tabs and the memory usage goes WAY up to 115 MB and then stays there. Is that normal?

My guess is that with more tabs it'll use more memory, are your tabs graphical or just names? OW 5'll prolly use more memory than other browsers because it does more stuff, hm let's see, mine is using 98.2 rsize and I have three name tabs open in the drawer. CPU varies from 9-33%.

edit: scrolling on b3 seems to be very very delicious.

[CatOne]

Originally posted by RedHerring:
It does look like the CPU issue is fixed. But should it still be using 115 MB of memory? I opened 9 websites in tabs and the memory usage goes WAY up to 115 MB and then stays there. Is that normal?

9 websites in tabs? Yeah, 115 MB sounds about normal for that, actually. Try the same in Safari and see what you get

[Truepop]

Originally posted by cpac:
It's actually supposed to be a separate application that can change themes for OW. Sombody from OG said (somewhere in this thread, actually) that it would probably be released inbetween 5.0 and 5.1 (and it still could be).

So OmniPeople, any word on when/how/if this is coming along?

CandyBar 2 can do something like this now.

Edit: ah it has been said.

[JKT]

Originally posted by RedHerring:
It does look like the CPU issue is fixed. But should it still be using 115 MB of memory? I opened 9 websites in tabs and the memory usage goes WAY up to 115 MB and then stays there. Is that normal?

It will depend greatly on what your tabs contain. Anything image heavy will suck up RAM. From what I can tell the issue with OmniWeb is that it doesn't appear to release the RAM when you close a tab or tabs. There are pros and cons to this - the pro is that accessing that site again should be faster, the con is that OW will end up using a heck of a lot of RAM if you never quit it. I don't know if this is intentional or if it is a bug.

FWIW, Safari will eventually end up using a lot of RAM as well... the major difference for me is that I simply don't surf in the same way when I use Safari because I simply can't do so very easily. With Workspaces etc in OmniWeb it is typical for me to have opened literally hundreds of tabs per day. In Safari, I'll barely open even tens and this is partly the reason why OW seems so much more RAM hungry...

[workerbee]

Originally posted by JKT:
Anything image heavy will suck up RAM.

Even better: try QuickTime content if you want to see your RAM melt like butter in a Palm Springs summer.

[nickm]

Originally posted by cpac:
[B]It's actually supposed to be a separate application that can change themes for OW.

I'm not sure about a separate application, but there is a set of alternate icons available on the Omniweb Extras page.

[cpac]

Originally posted by nickm:
I'm not sure about a separate application, but there is a set of alternate icons available on the Omniweb Extras page.

Yep - but those are basically all the alternatives that were kicked around for OW 4.1's release. They're great - but they're just application icons.

OmniGroup promised a full OW theme changer type thing that would change icons for all the toolbar buttons. They also solicited outside contributions for this project - I'm just curious where it all stands at this point...

[MrBS]

Originally posted by cpac:
OmniGroup promised a full OW theme changer type thing that would change icons for all the toolbar buttons. They also solicited outside contributions for this project - I'm just curious where it all stands at this point...

Me too... wonder if there's something holding up the release or if they're just busy with other stuff.

~BS

[Gavriel]

Consider this a bug-report of a small, harmless, graphical glitch in OmniWeb that has been bugging me to no end.

In the tab-drawer, when a tab is loading or finished loading, this is indicated by a spinning wheel and a green circle respectively. When the tabs are in their natural state, ie the minipage, these loading/finished loading indicators sit in the top right corner, a handful pixels out from the top and right sides. When however, the tab is in its title-only state, the spinning/green indicators find themselves un-elegantly closer to the bottom of the tab rather than to the top. A small thing, you might think, but still I took the time to point it out. That's how great I am!

Here is an image to clarify:

OMG!! Gr8est illustration EVAR!!!1

[nebben123]

I have run into a bug in OW that has been there at least since 5.0 betas.

So far, I can't figure out a way to repeat it for sure, but it happens a lot.

After visiting several sites so that my History menu is populated with at least the 15 most recent sites visited, and I select to go back to one of those sites through the History menu, OW frequently does not load the site that I selected and loads the site either above or below in the list. At first, I thought I was just not selecting the one I wanted (user error). However, I started to really pay attention to it and OW is actually sending me to the wrong site. It seems like it only does this the first time. Subsequent attempts actually send me to the correct site.

For instance, let's say I have a History like this:


CNN.com
Macnn.com
Slashdot.org
Dailykos.com
Macrumors.com
Friendster.com
... etc.


If I select to jump back to Macrumors.com, it will actually load up Friendster.com!

Then when I notice the error, and open up the History menu again, and select Macrumors.com it goes to the right place.

I think it *may* only occur on the first access of the History list (since launch) and only if you have been to a large number of sites before accessing the History list.

Has anyone else noticed this? I'm reluctant to send it in as a bug until I can verify it with other users and possibly narrow down the circumstances under which it occurs.

Ben