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rhansen_x · Nov 3, 2004, 02:44 AM

I thought Gore said he was done.

Logic · Nov 3, 2004, 02:45 AM

BBC with new numbes from Ohio. Back to 100k difference.

djohnson · Nov 3, 2004, 02:45 AM

Bush up 10729 in Iowa now

spacefreak · Nov 3, 2004, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Update on CNN is that a few planes of more lawyers have left Logan airport in Boston and are headed to Ohio prepared to litigate.

A few planeloads of lawyers from Florida are also headed to Ohio, as reported by CNN.

Spliffdaddy · Nov 3, 2004, 02:47 AM

Once you lose a presidential election - you don't get a second chance.

Gore won't get the DNC nomination ever again.

Once a loser, always a loser - is how it works.

If Kerry loses, it's the last time he'll get to run.

CD Hanks · Nov 3, 2004, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Gore won't get the DNC nomination ever again.

Once a loser, always a loser - is how it works.

Thank god for that.

RonnieoftheRose · Nov 3, 2004, 02:48 AM

Based on current AP stats it looks like it might be a 269-269 draw. How do they choose a President after that, the popular vote?

Captain Obvious · Nov 3, 2004, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Something odd is going on in Ohio. The % of precincts reporting has been stuck at 89% for almost an hour now.

There are 10,000 attorneys looking to make a name for themselves who are just sitting around figuring ways to contest the election for Kerry. You don�t think this over despite the numbers do you? There�s a fleet of jets going into Ohio as we speak.

What I find sad, nay pathetic, is that the tradition of making a concession phone call to the winner will stop as of tonight.

y0y0 · Nov 3, 2004, 02:48 AM

With 92% of the votes in Ohio counted and Kerry down more than 100 000 votes, I don't think that he's got a snowballs chance in hell. That's it for me. Bush won.

Captain Obvious · Nov 3, 2004, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
Based on current AP stats it looks like it might be a 269-269 draw. How do they choose a President after that, the popular vote?

The House votes, and its controlled by the GOP majority

RAILhead · Nov 3, 2004, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
Based on current AP stats it looks like it might be a 269-269 draw. How do they choose a President after that, the popular vote?

No, the Republican House will elect the President.

Maury

rhansen_x · Nov 3, 2004, 02:51 AM

Wasn't there a possibility of a Bush/Edwards outcome?

Logic · Nov 3, 2004, 02:51 AM

BBC has Kerry losing Nevada. Not yet put it down for Bush but he's in the lead now.

y0y0 · Nov 3, 2004, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Once you lose a presidential election - you don't get a second chance.

Gore won't get the DNC nomination ever again.

Once a loser, always a loser - is how it works.

If Kerry loses, it's the last time he'll get to run.

Uhm, that's not true.
Nixon vs. Kennedy 1960, Nixon lost.
Nixon vs. Humphrey 1968 Nixon won.

mo · Nov 3, 2004, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by rhansen_x:
Wasn't there a possibility of a Bush/Edwards outcome?

Not any more. GOP will have control.

Spliffdaddy · Nov 3, 2004, 02:52 AM

I've heard this several times:

"All those newly registered voters apparently didn't vote"

also, on a related note

There were no more young voters (18-24) participating in this election than there were in the last election. About 10% of voters were in this age category.

MTV's 'Rock the Vote' campaign failed miserably.

vmpaul · Nov 3, 2004, 02:53 AM

CNN just said Ohio is too close to call.

But Kerry is down in Iowa.

spacefreak · Nov 3, 2004, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Captain Obvious:
What I find sad, nay pathetic, is that the tradition of making a concession phone call to the winner will stop as of tonight.

It's one thing if Kerry won the popular vote as Gore did, and only lost a key state by <1000 votes. But it's a complete sham to contest a state where he loses by 100,000 or so votes AND loses the popular vote by 3.5 million votes.

rhansen_x · Nov 3, 2004, 02:53 AM

So the election would be decided on the new seats, not on how they stood pre-election?

BRussell · Nov 3, 2004, 02:53 AM

Ohio is getting closer, and there are hundreds of thousands of provisional ballots left there. Kerry could lose Iowa and New Mexico and still win if he won Ohio. We're not going to know who won this for several weeks as they go through these provisionals.

If we didn't have this stupid electoral college Bush would simply win outright.

spacefreak · Nov 3, 2004, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by rhansen_x:
So the election would be decided on the new seats, not on how they stood pre-election?

From what I understand - yes, though the House was Republican-controlled prior to this election as well.

Spliffdaddy · Nov 3, 2004, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by y0y0:
Uhm, that's not true.
Nixon vs. Kennedy 1960, Nixon lost.
Nixon vs. Humphrey 1968 Nixon won.

OK, it happened once.

once.

CD Hanks · Nov 3, 2004, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
MTV's 'Rock the Vote' campaign failed miserably.

Nothing terribly surprising there. If MTV is so imcompetant to not even be able to honor their name, how the hell can anyone expect them to actually handle the invigoration of getting young voters to actually vote?

GSixZero · Nov 3, 2004, 02:55 AM

Bush does seem to have a formidable lead in Ohio, but I'm surprised that anyone would be willing to call Ohio for Bush, being that there are still lots of votes to be counted. Did anyone learn anything in 2000?

rhansen_x · Nov 3, 2004, 02:56 AM

How did the Vote or Die campaign do?

Logic · Nov 3, 2004, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by rhansen_x:
How did the Vote or Die campaign do?

It died.

^^^ what happens when you've been awake 24h multitasking without any pauses. I apologise.

rhansen_x · Nov 3, 2004, 02:58 AM

I hear you Logic. I'm working with a crew doing a Call Center upgrade right now. Been clicking keys for quite a while.

itai195 · Nov 3, 2004, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by GSixZero:
Bush does seem to have a formidable lead in Ohio, but I'm surprised that anyone would be willing to call Ohio for Bush, being that there are still lots of votes to be counted. Did anyone learn anything in 2000?

There wasn't a 100,000 vote gap in Florida in 2000.

Looks like there's an electronic voting malfunction in Iowa now, according to CNN...

CD Hanks · Nov 3, 2004, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by rhansen_x:
How did the Vote or Die campaign do?

It killed itself by the fact it was ungodly stupid.

rhansen_x · Nov 3, 2004, 03:01 AM

I have no clue where it came from - NPR was saying it was helpful in getting the urban youth voters.

spacefreak · Nov 3, 2004, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by BRussell:
Ohio is getting closer, and there are hundreds of thousands of provisional ballots left there.

That is not correct, at least not yet. What the Kerry camp has done was to take Cyohoga (sp?) county's 24,000 provisional ballots and extrapolate that rate throughout the entire state.

vmpaul · Nov 3, 2004, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by itai195:
There wasn't a 100,000 vote gap in Florida in 2000.

Looks like there's an electronic voting malfunction in Iowa now, according to CNN...

...and fatigue. LOL, That's a first.

rhansen_x · Nov 3, 2004, 03:02 AM

Dumb question - how can most of the west coast states be done, and yet Ohio is still counting?

Spliffdaddy · Nov 3, 2004, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by rhansen_x:
Dumb question - how can most of the west coast states be done, and yet Ohio is still counting?

not a dumb question.

itai195 · Nov 3, 2004, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by vmpaul:
...and fatigue. LOL, That's a first.

I'm getting tired just hearing about all these lawyers potentially getting involved.

mo · Nov 3, 2004, 03:03 AM

According to CNN, Iowa's secretary of state has announced that they won't close their books until sometime tomorrow, citing "fatigue." Me too. I give up. Naptime.

CD Hanks · Nov 3, 2004, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by rhansen_x:
Dumb question - how can most of the west coast states be done, and yet Ohio is still counting?

California only has 37% of the precincts reporting in. So there is atleast one west coast state that isn't done.

Spliffdaddy · Nov 3, 2004, 03:04 AM

Ohio = 70% punchcard ballots.

Sit tight. It's gonna be a long one.

PS, avg error rate of punchcards = 2-3%

so not all ballots will be included in subsequent recounts.

rhansen_x · Nov 3, 2004, 03:05 AM

Fatigue? They do an election on this scale once every 4 years. Coffee and Mt Dew. Start counting.

itai195 · Nov 3, 2004, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
California only has 37% of the precincts reporting in. So there is atleast one west coast state that isn't done.

Oh it's done. It's about as close for Bush as it'll get at this point... only 2% of the LA county precincts have been counted, I'd imagine it's similar up here in the Bay Area.

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Nov 3, 2004, 03:06 AM

Wow, CNN is really hanging in desperately trying not to call Ohio for Bush, and insisting it's too close to call.

Come on, 93% in, and Bush up 51%? Give it up already.

New Mexico is looking like the winning state for Bush, at 94% in and Bush up 52%.

Iowa and/or Nevada will be icing on the cake.

y0y0 · Nov 3, 2004, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Nothing terribly surprising there. If MTV is so imcompetant to not even be able to honor their name, how the hell can anyone expect them to actually handle the invigoration of getting young voters to actually vote?

There's a looooong chance that Ohio may turn around, but realistically speaking, with some 92% of the votes now counted and Kerry down by 100 000 the chances of him gaining those 100 000 votes with the remaining 8% are almost non existant.

Bush won, face it.

The main thing that worries me about another 4 years of Bush is the defecit and Bush's wild spending. I certainly hope the guy manages to restrain himself in the future. If the defecit continues to grow, then the chancces of another recession grow as well, and that's bad for everybody, Republican or Democrat, American or rest of world.

As for the war in Iraq, I don't know what Kerry could possibly do different there now so I wouldn't have expected much of a change there in any case, since the situation is so fuqked up.

I feel sorry for gays and those that would want an abortion, but the US has been through periods of social conservatism before (The prohibition years) and it eventually swung back later.

Spliffdaddy · Nov 3, 2004, 03:08 AM

CNN should hire Dan Rather.

I'm watching 3 different news channels simultaneously, and CNN is obviously doing something different. It's as if they don't want to admit Bush is winning. They've honestly tried every trick in the book. I lost a lot of respect for CNN tonight.

sideus · Nov 3, 2004, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by y0y0:
I feel sorry for gays and those that would want an abortion, but the US has been through periods of social conservatism before (The prohibition years) and it eventually swung back later.

Oh well. It is what the people want.

Logic · Nov 3, 2004, 03:09 AM

BBC puts Kerry up 120k in Michigan.

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Nov 3, 2004, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I lost a lot of respect for CNN tonight. [/B]

How much did you have to begin with?

Spliffdaddy · Nov 3, 2004, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE:
How much did you have to begin with?

I didn't have a negative opinion of CNN until tonight.

Buckaroo · Nov 3, 2004, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by y0y0:
There's a looooong chance that Ohio may turn around, but realistically speaking, with some 92% of the votes now counted and Kerry down by 100 000 the chances of him gaining those 100 000 votes with the remaining 8% are almost non existant.

Bush won, face it.

The main thing that worries me about another 4 years of Bush is the defecit and Bush's wild spending. I certainly hope the guy manages to restrain himself in the future. If the defecit continues to grow, then the chancces of another recession grow as well, and that's bad for everybody, Republican or Democrat, American or rest of world.

As for the war in Iraq, I don't know what Kerry could possibly do different there now so I wouldn't have expected much of a change there in any case, since the situation is so fuqked up.

I feel sorry for gays and those that would want an abortion, but the US has been through periods of social conservatism before (The prohibition years) and it eventually swung back later.

On top of that, the only precinct that Kerry could farm any votes out of has accounted for almost 98% of it's polls. There are no more votes for him to farm from.

BRussell · Nov 3, 2004, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
I'm watching 3 different news channels simultaneously, and CNN is obviously doing something different. It's as if they don't want to admit Bush is winning. They've honestly tried every trick in the book. I lost a lot of respect for CNN tonight.

Because they didn't call a close state? Why should the media call it - let them count the votes. It's close, it's going to determine the presidency. Remember Florida in 2000?

djohnson · Nov 3, 2004, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE:
How much did you have to begin with?

I had none. Especially after listening to 10 minutes of them as well...