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- - e r i k - - · Sep 7, 2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by LightWaver-67:
some of us have never seen those before... First-time for me.

Curious; I can see when the "Access Door" one would display (obviously) but why would the mouse and/or keyboard bezels display...? Only when initially "detected"...?

It's assumed that these show when it detects Apple's new Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse.

gorickey · Sep 7, 2003, 12:12 PM

I believe this build has already been taken off the ADC web-site....hmmm....

Zimphire · Sep 7, 2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I believe this build has already been taken off the ADC web-site....hmmm....

Hmm, something wrong with the build?

Art Vandelay · Sep 7, 2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I believe this build has already been taken off the ADC web-site....hmmm....

No, it's still there.

iFix Rene · 02:43 PM

Originally posted by LightWaver-67:
Curious; I can see when the "Access Door" one would display (obviously) but why would the mouse and/or keyboard bezels display...? Only when initially "detected"...?

Just as you can disconnect a wired mouse
or keyboard you can also disconnect a wireless
mouse or keyboard.
So it comes up on connect and disconnect,
to give feedback as you do not have a phy-
sical plug to give feedback.

kokosnootje · Sep 7, 2003, 02:40 PM

I see a lot of talk about this release but hardly any feedback from anybody that has this build actualy installed. I'm not a ADC Premier member so I'm waiting for someone who is to give quality feedback about this build.
Please tell us how it compares to the previous ones.
The fact that with each build the sources for non ADC members to download copies seem to dry up are probably a good sign. Real developers are probably able to actualy get work done with these builds and are less interested in spending time to share these builds. But us less devine still want to know what's up. Please tell...

iFix Rene · Sep 7, 2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by cacarr1:
Just for the record...I think it is Apple's. We'll just have to wait and see though.

I for one have not seen it in any 10.3 build

the new 10.2 default was in the DP's from
the start. (for example)

maybe it is in B59 but
it seems a joke/hoax

Art Vandelay · Sep 7, 2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by iFix Rene:
I for one have not seen it in any 10.3 build

the new 10.2 default was in the DP's from
the start. (for example)

maybe it is in B59 but
it seems a joke/hoax

It's real. It was added in 7b59.

iFix Rene · Sep 7, 2003, 03:52 PM

ah ok

still not wild about it though
the style is very 10.1-ish
(like default pic in 10.1)

dr. zoidberg · Sep 7, 2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by jessejlt:
That's not a desktop that Apple has put into Panther is it? It doesn't look like it's up to Apple quality, the depth is null and the colors aren't vivid.
jesse ;-)

i kinda like it. it reminds me of some other desktop picture i used to have on my trusty old pismo for quite a long time...

kidd0 · Sep 7, 2003, 07:34 PM

I'll post some stuff later, I've been on vacation this weekend, so I haven't had a chance to install it.

BTW, I AM an ADC Premier, so no noobish questions from me

KidRed · Sep 7, 2003, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
It's real. It was added in 7b59.

Ah, ok.

benb · Sep 7, 2003, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by kidd0:
I'll post some stuff later, I've been on vacation this weekend, so I haven't had a chance to install it.

BTW, I AM an ADC Premier, so no noobish questions from me

You sure you want to post then?

kidd0 · Sep 7, 2003, 11:41 PM

LOL, I don't care

By the time Apple contact me, Panther final will be out

The wallpaper is in fact included, along with a graphite version.

There is a new welcome screen, new music, and it's VERY welcoming.

The wallpaper's are more dull instead of bright to match the gray Panther look.

Ask and I'll answer

Jim Paradise · Sep 8, 2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by kidd0:
LOL, I don't care
By the time Apple contact me, Panther final will be out

The wallpaper is in fact included, along with a graphite version.

There is a new welcome screen, new music, and it's VERY welcoming.

The wallpaper's are more dull instead of bright to match the gray Panther look.

Ask and I'll answer

Yay! Now Panther can be even more drab than before....

Even with as boring of a GUI that OS 9 had, at least the wallapers included were colourful and fun....

Zimphire · Sep 8, 2003, 12:32 AM

They are responding to customer wants.

People really don't want to stare at something gaudy and in your face all day. Something more subtle and easier on the eyes is a tad better for the user environment.

Chris Grande · Sep 8, 2003, 12:34 AM

Is the welcome screen the same one that someone posted earlier, the only with the snow like swirling animation?

swiz · Sep 8, 2003, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Chris Grande:
Is the welcome screen the same one that someone posted earlier, the only with the snow like swirling animation?

Yup

Matt OS X · Sep 8, 2003, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by swiz:
Yup

Yup here, too.

Ozmodiar · Sep 8, 2003, 02:19 AM

Want to induce a kernel panic and see what that looks like in Panther?

I haven't really looked at the Panther threads, so I apologize if this has been covered, but what are menu bar apps and haxies like in Panther? That is, will 10.3 be as easy to mod as 10.2?

Jim Paradise · Sep 8, 2003, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
They are responding to customer wants.

People really don't want to stare at something gaudy and in your face all day. Something more subtle and easier on the eyes is a tad better for the user environment.

I've found Aqua (especially 10.2) to be quite subtle and a lot more relaxing of a GUI than the boring Platinum appearance.

nobitacu · Sep 8, 2003, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by cacarr1:
Cool new Panther desktop...find it here!

Love it! using it now as I type.
Thanks for the link!

Ming

iFix Rene · Sep 8, 2003, 05:24 AM

Has the icon bug been fixed where applications (helpviewer for instance)
in recent items or folders in
sidebar displays the wrong icon? (7B53)

also I found this one quite fascinating,
note that the version says 0.0.1d1?
It is actually version 1.0 as reported
correctly by 10.2 Finder on multiple Mac's.
Sure hope it is specific to this file only.

JLL · Sep 8, 2003, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by iFix Rene:
also I found this one quite fascinating,
note that the version says 0.0.1d1?
It is actually version 1.0 as reported
correctly by 10.2 Finder on multiple Mac's.
Sure hope it is specific to this file only.

That's the standard text put in by ProjectBuilder/XCode

Webscreamer · Sep 8, 2003, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by kidd0:

Ask and I'll answer

Are all the buttons fixed? Minimize in Graphite, and Close(hold down) in Blue appearances?

Spaztik · Sep 8, 2003, 08:15 AM

I sure hope they fix those widgets too...

Man, that's one reason right there that I can't use Panther. I am REALLY REALLY picky about GUI stuff. I am a Grapic Design Graduate from a local college and detail really stands out for me. I hope they are just waiting until last to fix the GUI problems and inconsistencies. I really hope they completely MAKEOVER the widgets and scroll bars and progress bars... they still look 10.1-ish.

Apple always pulls through...

Spaztik · Sep 8, 2003, 08:16 AM

Whatever Apple doesn't fix... Max will ;-)

gorickey · Sep 8, 2003, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Spaztik:
Whatever Apple doesn't fix... Max will ;-)

Amen, that guy is pure genius...

SMacTech · Sep 8, 2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by iFix Rene:
Has the icon bug been fixed where applications (helpviewer for instance)
in recent items or folders in
sidebar displays the wrong icon? (7B53)

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Works here in 7b59.

diamondsw · 12:45 PM

Could someone post another link to that desktop picture? Spymac seems to have crapped out.

Some major features I'm interested in:
1) Are kernel file notifications in place (try "touch ~/Desktop/test" and see if "test" shows up on your desktop immediately)?
2) Have the reported problems with SMB filesharing been fixed?
3) What archiving/compression options are available? ZIP, CPIO, etc? Any sign of TAR or GZIP?
4) Any sign of real DVD+R support (beyond icons showing up)?

Also, any info on further GUI refinements - including the window widgets, prefpanel layouts (especially "Account Options"), and other applications.

I'll admit to being very sour on Panther at first, but Apple has very pleasantly surprised me at the amount of redesign and refinement. I figured the developer preview was all but frozen interface-wise.

Zimphire · Sep 8, 2003, 12:43 PM

Actually the widgets in 10.3 are fine cept a few oddities that will be fixed by the release.

They are a lot better than the 10.2 ones. I was going to change them, but don't need to now.

alex_kac · Sep 8, 2003, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by diamondsw:
Could someone post another link to that desktop picture? Spymac seems to have crapped out.

Some major features I'm interested in:
1) Are kernel file notifications in place (try "touch ~/Desktop/test" and see if "test" shows up on your desktop immediately)?
2) Have the reported problems with SMB filesharing been fixed?
3) What archiving/compression options are available? ZIP, CPIO, etc? Any sign of TAR or GZIP?
4) Any sign of real DVD+R support (beyond icons showing up)?

Also, any info on further GUI refinements - including the window widgets, prefpanel layouts (especially "Account Options"), and other applications.

I'll admit to being very sour on Panther at first, but Apple has very pleasantly surprised me at the amount of redesign and refinement. I figured the developer preview was all but frozen interface-wise.

1) No. And I doubt they will be in the final. Its almost FC now and I bet this feature was causing issues so they yanked it. I know for a fact that Apple has yanked a few things in Panther as FC comes near because they weren't ready. Expect to see it in a dot release.
2) Works fine for me. I use it pretty heavily too.
3) Zip is all I see
4) Wish I had one to test

bacchus · Sep 8, 2003, 12:50 PM

Someone asked for the desktop picture again.

Here it is.

Panther Desktop Picture

MasonMcD · Sep 8, 2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by iFix Rene:
Has the icon bug been fixed where applications (helpviewer for instance)
in recent items or folders in
sidebar displays the wrong icon? (7B53)

Delete the file /Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.6B.csstore and restart.

Everything should be groovy then. May have to do it a couple of times.

SMacTech · Sep 8, 2003, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by diamondsw:
Some major features I'm interested in:
1) Are kernel file notifications in place (try "touch ~/Desktop/test" and see if "test" shows up on your desktop immediately)?

I don't understand why this is such a needed feature. If you need to see it, you would have to click on the Desktop anyways.
There is an api that an app can call to update the Finder, but I don't know how Terminal app can do it. I know there are file systems out there than can monitor for changes, etc.
I guess if I knew the need for it, I could understand the reason for your wanting this feature.

diamondsw · Sep 8, 2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by alex_kac:
1) No. And I doubt they will be in the final. Its almost FC now and I bet this feature was causing issues so they yanked it. I know for a fact that Apple has yanked a few things in Panther as FC comes near because they weren't ready. Expect to see it in a dot release.
2) Works fine for me. I use it pretty heavily too.
3) Zip is all I see
4) Wish I had one to test

Thanks a lot! Sad to see file notifications aren't going to be ready, but that will keep up my anticipation for 10.3.x.

diamondsw · Sep 8, 2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by SMacTech:
I don't understand why this is such a needed feature. If you need to see it, you would have to click on the Desktop anyways.
There is an api that an app can call to update the Finder, but I don't know how Terminal app can do it. I know there are file systems out there than can monitor for changes, etc.
I guess if I knew the need for it, I could understand the reason for your wanting this feature.

This is useful because right now you can't just take a quick look at a folder or the desktop and see if the file is there (done downloading, processing, what have you) - you have to click into the Finder and wait for it to update. A real pain when you want to keep on working in whatever frontmost app you're in. Also, I expect kernel notifications of filesystem changes could be very useful for post-processing apps, or programs watching for changes (beyond things like simple folder action scripts).

diamondsw · Sep 8, 2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by bacchus:
Someone asked for the desktop picture again.

Here it is.

Panther Desktop Picture

Thanks. I like it.

KidRed · Sep 8, 2003, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Are all the buttons fixed? Minimize in Graphite, and Close(hold down) in Blue appearances?

Yes but finder is always in color.

kidd0 · Sep 8, 2003, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Are all the buttons fixed? Minimize in Graphite, and Close(hold down) in Blue appearances?

Yep yep.