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May 9, 2004, 10:18 PM
 
Ok so maybe some of you have heard of this drug, some of you haven't. They prescribe it to schoolkids that have ADD so it lets them focus in school.

I have been using it recreationaly on and off for about a year, makes you feel like a million bucks (I used to bump it), but unfortunately keeps me up all night. I have never actually tried to use it to do work until today, I woke up at 12, took a time release capsule, and as I type to you now I have just finished doing strait homework for 9 hours, I ate before starting, maybe took a piss break or two, but DAMN this stuff makes you want to work. I am going to pick up a few more of these puppies for finals week.

Anyone other college students here try this stuff? If not then I implore to do it at least once while writing a paper or studying (I used it to make a book in Photoshop and Indesign but same thing). I mean if its safe enough for 10 year olds it has to be safe enough for college students
     
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May 9, 2004, 10:44 PM
 
Great, recreational drug use.

So who did you get to prescribe a drug in such an irresponsible manner?

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May 9, 2004, 10:46 PM
 
yeah lol, that brings me back... in high school i used to sell my adderall, and trade for pot and oxy contin and what not... thats funny.
     
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May 9, 2004, 10:55 PM
 
Originally posted by SamuraiDL:
yeah lol, that brings me back... in high school i used to sell my adderall, and trade for pot and oxy contin and what not... thats funny.
Ooh another drug thread.

So tell me why porn is prohibited on the forums again?

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May 9, 2004, 10:57 PM
 
Pharmacy Speed.

Amphetamine. Adderall is just a mixture of different kinds of pharmaceutical speed. The main ingredient is Dexedrine or Dextroamphetamine.

Given to kids with ADD/ADHD or people suffering from narcolepsy.

Used to be used as a diet aid.

Highly addictive. And you do get a tolerance. I hear withdraw on it sucks.
     
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May 9, 2004, 10:58 PM
 
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May 9, 2004, 11:01 PM
 
Here is some info on it.
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/pharmclips...Adderall%ae%20
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/adderallxr.htm
AMPHETAMINES HAVE A HIGH POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE. ADMINISTRATION OF AMPHETAMINES FOR PROLONGED PERIODS OF TIME MAY LEAD TO DRUG DEPENDENCE. PARTICULAR ATTENTION SHOULD BE PAID TO THE POSSIBILITY OF SUBJECTS OBTAINING AMPHETAMINES FOR NON-THERAPEUTIC USE OR DISTRIBUTION TO OTHERS AND THE DRUGS SHOULD BE PRESCRIBED OR DISPENSED SPARINGLY

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May 9, 2004, 11:38 PM
 
yeah i guess i would have gotten addicted to them if i wasnt doing all that oxy contin instead.
     
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May 10, 2004, 01:04 AM
 
It turns you into a workhorse..i don't find it so great for rec..i think riddalin is better in that respect though i intentionally keep myself from doing that now.

...but alas..as with everything..there are drawbacks.

use it regularly and you develop a tolerance and need more...also whenever you rty to do work without it you'll feel about 60% into it which sucks....you feel incapable without it..which is of course untrue.

also it actually works just as well to take it orally...at least for work purposes...the snorting is really more about the thrill of shoving **** up your nose than anything...i'd recommend against getting doing that with any frequency the side effects are worse.

also abuse it regularly and it strains your body, weakens your immune system (also not eating contributes, and you can start losing your hair...i'm serious
     
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May 10, 2004, 01:35 AM
 
Originally posted by Tulkas:
Ooh another drug thread.

So tell me why porn is prohibited on the forums again?
Why do you feel the need to comment on a thread that is clearly labled Adderrall? If your so anti-drug then just keep it to yourself and don't derail threads.
     
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May 10, 2004, 01:39 AM
 
My roommate got some adderall, gave me a pill the day before two finals. Studied like a madman, 10 hours straight. I don't like abusing drugs, but man, that little jerk helped a ton.

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May 10, 2004, 01:40 AM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Pharmacy Speed.

Amphetamine. Adderall is just a mixture of different kinds of pharmaceutical speed. The main ingredient is Dexedrine or Dextroamphetamine.

Given to kids with ADD/ADHD or people suffering from narcolepsy.

Used to be used as a diet aid.

Highly addictive. And you do get a tolerance. I hear withdraw on it sucks.
Yep it does, luckily I know now what my limits are. I admit when I first got into I did it a bit too much, but I realized it early and stopped for a good half year. Now I have, at most, one 30mg per sitting, and only like 1 sitting every other month. In fact the reason it was so bad for me was I never got a tolerance, everytime would produce the same effects, and the same sleeplessness. It sucked, I was a Zombie for a few days.

But these kids are supposed to take one pill every morning, last 8 hours so they can get through school. I see no harm in using it to allow me to work in front of my computer for a ridiculous time because I had a few final projects that needed....finalizing. If I had a headache I would have taken an Advil.
     
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May 10, 2004, 01:46 AM
 
Adderall effects those kids differently than it does you. It's not the same.

But justify it all you want. You are going to do it regardless.

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May 10, 2004, 01:49 AM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Adderall effects those kids differently than it does you. It's not the same.

But justify it all you want. You are going to do it regardless.

Don't say you weren't warned.
Heh, well we could argue all day on the drug issue, but you can't argue with the results. If I was in front of the monitor for that long without it (or a fountain coffee) I wouldn't have gotten nearly as much done.
     
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May 10, 2004, 01:52 AM
 
And it comes with a price.

Plus it ages you. I have seen gals go from pretty, to old maid in less than a year from strong speed usage.
     
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May 10, 2004, 01:58 AM
 
I agree it ages you...when you're getting 60 hours of work done in 20 hours...the wear and tear on your body is still 60 hrs...it'll beat your body down after a while and its highly addictive.

but I'll disagree on the kid issue. this stuff is speed plain and simple they shouldn't be giving it to kids nevermind putting someone on it for years and years..its unhealthy..adderall was deisgned as a diet drug..they find out it help kids focus bc it puts your brain into overdrive..then they market it towards kids withh add.

the whole thing is sick i wouldn't let my kid near it
     
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May 10, 2004, 02:10 AM
 
Originally posted by Moderator:
...but I'll disagree on the kid issue. this stuff is speed plain and simple they shouldn't be giving it to kids nevermind putting someone on it for years and years..its unhealthy..adderall was deisgned as a diet drug..they find out it help kids focus bc it puts your brain into overdrive..then they market it towards kids withh add.

the whole thing is sick i wouldn't let my kid near it
i totally agree with you on this. this whole "add" issue sucks as well. wtf, you are giving kids speed because they can't focuse their attention on mostly boring and outdated material that only speaks to the freakishly devout "snnozers". please.

add isn't a medical issue, it's a cultural one. maybe they should make the teachers take some drugs instead of the pupils, that would probably help 1000 times more.

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May 10, 2004, 02:23 AM
 
I have adult ADD. I went to my doctor, who referred me to a psychiatrist who specializes in learning disabilities. After several tests he prescribed for me Adderall 2x a day @ 20mg. I end up taking 1/2 a pill on class days and study days, often missing 2 or 3 days. I checked in with him on this and he said "perfect, get it to work with you." So while I have the rx and it should have been refilled months ago, I still have dozens of pills left. It gives me the exact boost I need in order to study and do well.



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May 10, 2004, 02:36 AM
 
Wow this stuff sounds like fun! I wish I could give it a try.

So is Sek the only one with sleeping problems when taking it?
     
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May 10, 2004, 07:08 AM
 
Originally posted by Moderator:
but I'll disagree on the kid issue. this stuff is speed plain and simple they shouldn't be giving it to kids nevermind putting someone on it for years and years..its unhealthy..adderall was deisgned as a diet drug..they find out it help kids focus bc it puts your brain into overdrive..then they market it towards kids withh add.

the whole thing is sick i wouldn't let my kid near it
Thats what I'm saying, they wanted to put me on Ritalin in 4th grade but luckily my parents didn't buy into it. After that one year I grew out of whatever stage I was in.

Its not only young kids either, I get my addys from one of my friends who is a fresh. in college, hes been taking them since his senior year. I couldn't imagine taking that stuff everyday...
     
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May 10, 2004, 07:52 AM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Adderall effects those kids differently than it does you. It's not the same.
This is absolutely correct. Adderall has what is known in pharmacology as a rate-dependent effect on behavior. In individuals with high native rates of behavior, like ADHD patients, the drug decreases rates of behavior. In healthy individuals, it increases rates of behavior.

It has a very high abuse potential and for that reason researchers are trying to develop alternatives to treat ADHD.
     
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May 10, 2004, 10:16 AM
 


thats the only drug i am addicted to.

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Originally posted by sek929:
Yellow # 5 kills sperm dude.
You say that like it is a bad thing.
     
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May 10, 2004, 11:33 AM
 
Originally posted by voyageur:
ADHD.
i think it was created by the 20th century. did kids in colonial times have ADHD? probably not, cause they had 8 hours of chores + schoolwork to do.

its all this TV-as-a-replacement-for-parenting.

OT: drugs are bad, mmmkay?
     
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May 10, 2004, 11:38 AM
 
Originally posted by scaught:
i think it was created by the 20th century. did kids in colonial times have ADHD? probably not, cause they had 8 hours of chores + schoolwork to do.

its all this TV-as-a-replacement-for-parenting.

OT: drugs are bad, mmmkay?
I'll second that.
     
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May 10, 2004, 12:23 PM
 
Originally posted by Moderator:
[B]adderall was deisgned as a diet drug..
Actually Dexedrine was a diet drug. Adderall was made after they used it for such.
they find out it help kids focus bc it puts your brain into overdrive..then they market it towards kids withh add.
No, kids with ADD/ADHD brains are lacking stimulant. See our brains produce natural stimulant. People with ADD/ADHD get the stimulant to even that out. That is why you will see some kids falling asleep on speed. While I wouldn't give a young kid stimulants, 12+ I don't think would hurt them.

The people that claim ADD/ADHD is bogus .. well what can I say. They have never had to deal with anyone like that.

It has nothing to do with how their parents raised them. Or how much TV they watch.
     
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May 10, 2004, 12:24 PM
 
Originally posted by phoenixboy:
add isn't a medical issue, it's a cultural one. maybe they should make the teachers take some drugs instead of the pupils, that would probably help 1000 times more.
I believe ADD is over-diagnosed. But it is a true problem.
     
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May 10, 2004, 12:29 PM
 
Originally posted by scaught:
i think it was created by the 20th century. did kids in colonial times have ADHD? probably not, cause they had 8 hours of chores + schoolwork to do.

its all this TV-as-a-replacement-for-parenting.

OT: drugs are bad, mmmkay?
ditto
     
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May 10, 2004, 12:41 PM
 
Colonial times kids probably did have ADHD. They were probably Beaten a lot as kids because they couldn't pay attention.

They probably called them "troubled kids" They didn't know what the problem was.

What did they call people with Epilepsy before they knew what it was? They didn't.

They thought those people were magic!

It's easy for those who have never had to deal with it to scoff, and brush it off as a discipline problem, or whatever.

But that isn't very honest.
     
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May 10, 2004, 12:52 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Colonial times kids probably did have ADHD. They were probably Beaten a lot as kids because they couldn't pay attention.

They probably called them "troubled kids" They didn't know what the problem was.

What did they call people with Epilepsy before they knew what it was? They didn't.

They thought those people were magic!

It's easy for those who have never had to deal with it to scoff, and brush it off as a discipline problem, or whatever.

But that isn't very honest.
you yourself admit it is overdiagnosed. i do believe and realize there are kids with chemical imbalances and whatnot. a friend of mines younger brother was a complete spazz - to a level obviously beyond any societal influence. when he was put on some kind of medication (riddalin maybe?), he was barely mobile.

still, i stand behind my statement.
     
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May 10, 2004, 12:54 PM
 
Originally posted by scaught:
you yourself admit it is overdiagnosed.

Indeed it is, that doesn't mean it's not a actual problem. Bipolar disorders are also over-diagnosed.

i do believe and realize there are kids with chemical imbalances and whatnot. a friend of mines younger brother was a complete spazz - to a level obviously beyond any societal influence. when he was put on some kind of medication (riddalin maybe?), he was barely mobile.
Barely mobile? Then they over-medicated him. The fault of his doctor.

still, i stand behind my statement.

Which one is that?

"all this TV-as-a-replacement-for-parenting."

or that drugs are bad?
     
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May 10, 2004, 12:57 PM
 
Some kids I have seen need more then Adderrall.

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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Some kids I have seen need more then Adderrall.
Explain.
     
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Ever try provigil (Modifinil)?
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May 10, 2004, 01:03 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:

Indeed it is, that doesn't mean it's not a actual problem. Bipolar disorders are also over-diagnosed.

Barely mobile? Then they over-medicated him. The fault of his doctor.

Which one is that?

"all this TV-as-a-replacement-for-parenting."

or that drugs are bad?
of course. of course. the whole thing.

the doctors dont get any money unless they provide a service or, (quicker and easier i imagine) some medication to a patient. doctors seem much too quick to throw drugs (and keep throwing them) at a problem, when you see how theyre financially tied to this "reaction", its not hard to see why.
     
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May 10, 2004, 01:09 PM
 
Originally posted by scaught:
of course. of course. the whole thing.

the doctors dont get any money unless they provide a service or, (quicker and easier i imagine) some medication to a patient. doctors seem much too quick to throw drugs (and keep throwing them) at a problem, when you see how theyre financially tied to this "reaction", its not hard to see why.
Yes, and that is probably WHY it's over-diagnosed. Just like a lot of other mental disorders.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does.
     
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May 10, 2004, 02:12 PM
 
We can argue till the cows come home about why there is more ADHD and ADD today than years ago. TV? Video games? Negligent parents? Over-stimulated kids? Overworked teachers? Drug-pushing doctors? A combination of these perhaps? Until we understand the neural mechanisms behind the syndromes better we're just guessing.
     
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May 10, 2004, 02:22 PM
 
Originally posted by voyageur:
We can argue till the cows come home about why there is more ADHD and ADD today than years ago.

Er, who says there is more? It's just now diagnosed.

TV? Video games? Negligent parents? Over-stimulated kids? Overworked teachers? Drug-pushing doctors?

Probably none of the above. It is indeed genetic. Kids that have ADD/ADHD usually have parents that have it as well.
     
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May 10, 2004, 02:34 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes, and that is probably WHY it's over-diagnosed. Just like a lot of other mental disorders.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does.


i have depression. on the days where i forget to take my medicine, the next day i feel like sh�t. don't want to do anything. i believe that i do have a problem with stimulants in my brain or whatever.

but i do believe ADD and ADHD is way over-diagnosed. it seems you take your kid to the doctor and tell them that you kid isn't paying attention or doing his chores, and BAM doctor says its ADD/ADHD without taking any tests or anything. its bullsh�t.
     
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May 10, 2004, 02:41 PM
 
i find it odd that kids today can't "pay attention" through the course of a physics lecture, but can "focus" on a tv screen for hours straight when playing video games...hmmmmmmm

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May 10, 2004, 03:32 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:

Er, who says there is more? It's just now diagnosed.
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Probably none of the above. It is indeed genetic. Kids that have ADD/ADHD usually have parents that have it as well. [/B]
Both statements are far from proven. How do I know? I work in the neuropharmacology field.
     
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Originally posted by voyageur:
Both statements are far from proven. How do I know? I work in the neuropharmacology field.
Oh come on. He knows the truth about everything. Can't you see that by now

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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Oh come on. He knows the truth about everything. Can't you see that by now
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May 10, 2004, 05:25 PM
 
I would recommend a good shot of heroin for all these problems. Nothing like a heroin addiction and a dirty needle to focus you on life's really pressing problems.
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Originally posted by phoenixboy:
i find it odd that kids today can't "pay attention" through the course of a physics lecture, but can "focus" on a tv screen for hours straight when playing video games...hmmmmmmm
It's because the latter is stimulating their brain. See, in ADD ADHD kids their brain doesn't produce enough stimulant. So they are on a constant search of stimulation. Video Games, esp fast action ones provides this type of stimulation.

So there is your answer.
     
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Originally posted by voyageur:
Both statements are far from proven. How do I know? I work in the neuropharmacology field.
No it isn't PROVEN AS A FACT. But in a LOT of cases, it's indeed the case. Hard to ignore that.

That is why a lot of the questions they ask have to do with your parents as well.
     
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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Oh come on. He knows the truth about everything. Can't you see that by now
Do you always exaggerate all the time constantly forever?
     
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So what are the side effects to this stuff anyway. I can't assume it is that good for you in the long run.

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