[Sawtooth2000]

To send to Apple requesting the lowering of the iPod price by at least 100 dollars. This is such a shame. I just finished watching the QT stream of Steve Jobs introducing the iPod and all I could think of (since I already knew the price going in) was "This is such a great product but it won't sell because it's too expensive for what it does."

I propose that we start a petition to send to Apple expressing this and respectfully request a more competitive price point.

Thoughts?
-'tooth

[vvedge]

ARE YOU THAT FRIGGEN UPSET???

"Gee... its too expensive.... I gotta write the company any tell them to lower the price"

Ok, lemme see if I can get the addresses for Mercedes, Lexus and Infiniti and complain that I can't afford any of their cars.

hey, its too expensive... don't get it... I dont see why people are so up in arms on how a company is going to do financially.

You're just looking out for yourself to get the best deal... like someone trying get a discount at a kmart!

What? you own stock in Apple? Why dont you just sell it it you think the iPod's going to bomb that badly...

Start your own little petition, see if Apple cares what you think...

(so sick of whiners... )

[Sawtooth2000]

Yes I am that upset, not for me, for Apple.

I'm upset that once again, a great product, the result of massive time, effort, and money is thwarted by it's price.

See: Cube

I'm upset that Apple can't seem to get it- You can't expect to compete with the Wintel world when other offerings are 1/2 the price of your own. No matter how much better they are, they are too expensive.

No I don't own stock, but I do think the iPod's success will be tempered because of it's price.

Apple should care what I think, as it should care what all of it's potential customers think.

-'tooth

[Millennium]

It will do you no good, Sawtooth.

If Apple's profit margins on its other products are any indication, this thing probably costs some $325 or so to make. In other words, it cannot be sold profitably at $300.

This is why I think it was a mistake for Apple to introduce the iPod now. Everybody wants one of these things, but no one wants to shell out $400 for it. I don't either. Apple should have waited until they could sell it at a price point that people would actually pay. It seems that the general consensus on what that price point is is about $300. But it can't sell it for that little right now. They should have waited.

tHIS IS RIDICULOUS. wE'VE HAS PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT APPLE NOT HAVING THIS OR THAT OR THE OTHER. rEMEMBER G3 TOWER GUY??? rETARDED A$$HOLE. wHAT ABOUT THE GUY WITH THE LETTERS ABOUT THE POWERBOOK, OR THE STATUS OF THE iMAC??? aLSO RETARDS. tHERE IS SOMETHING CALLED AN OPEN MARKET. aPPLE HAS iPOD NOW, BUT IN SIX MONTHS THER'LL BE KNOCK-OFFS FROM A FEW DIFFERENT VENDORS WITH SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY AND IMPLEMENTATION FOR THE 100 DOLLAR DISCOUNT YOU SEEK. bUY IT FROM THOSE GUYS WHEN THEY PROVIDE IT. tHAT, OR FIND A JOB INSTEAD OF WASTING YOUR TIME SURFING MACNN AND PORN.

gO BUY A DELL. gET LOST.

-sHIFTY kEYBOARD gUY.

pS. yOU sUCK.

Originally posted by <YOU ARE PATHETIC>:
<STRONG>aPPLE HAS iPOD NOW, BUT IN SIX MONTHS THER'LL BE KNOCK-OFFS FROM A FEW DIFFERENT VENDORS WITH SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY</STRONG>

The iPod is a knock-off of the Creative Nomad.

So it has a Firewire port. Big deal. 5% of computer users worldwide, including Mac and PC users, have Firewire. If that many.

The Nomad uses USB for a reason. Everybody has USB.

If you want to buy overpriced copycats, I'll sell you an iPod for $1000!

[vvedge]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

The iPod is a knock-off of the Creative Nomad.

So it has a Firewire port. Big deal. 5% of computer users worldwide, including Mac and PC users, have Firewire. If that many.

The Nomad uses USB for a reason. Everybody has USB.
</STRONG>

So? everyone has floppies (except us Mac folk)... how do we get people to move on or move to better technologies like DVD, Wireless, Firewire, USB 2?

Well, before taking old technology away from them in the case of floppies, CREATE a market for these new technolgies... Make more DVD movies, make more firewire scanners, camcorders (and now music players), and make more high speed devices with USB 2.0...

Apple cleary DOESN'T want to sell these things to mass market, and make mucho dinero here. They want to innovate, impress and inspire.

Apple wants to move the PC world to Firewire, right now probably the best way to go. And this is a GREAT step in furhtering that evolution.

YES! Apple could've made the iPod USB too... but where's the breakthough in that? People are complaining already that the iPod didn't impress them, imagine if a USB iPod was released instead... then we'd all be crying 'ripoff' or 'late to the party with no excuse'

Firewire or die!

[ 10-25-2001: Message edited by: vvedge ]

[hadocon]

People need to get a grip here. If you can't affort an iPod and you want one, do whatever it takes to make more money like get a better job or save some money by not going to the movies or going out for supper - it might take you some time, but if you really want one you can do it. Kids do it all the time when they save up for that new videogame or whatever they want.
For all those that are whining about the price not being $299, surely you can save another $100 in a few months. If getting the money is totally out of the question for you, maybe you need to rethink your lifestyle and spend less time posting to this !@#$'ing messageboard, and do something to change your situation instead of crying. Get a life people.

Writing a petition? What a dumbass idea. it might have gone something like this:

------------------
Steve,
I am really interested in your new device: iPod. Once again you have managed to develop and bring to market a product with clear value. (if youwant Steve to read this message you gotta butter him up first I would imagine)
I am, however concerned with the pricepoint that you have chosen to release the iPod at. Don't you think that you should ignore what your engineers and marketing team suggest in favor of my demand that you reduce the price of the iPod by at least $100 and add USB so that I can synch it with my oldschool Powerbook?
Wow! I feel better now that i have that off my chest. well, that is about all that I wanted to say, and I guess that will be all.

P.S. Please see attached pages containing over 35 signatures of people supporting my reccomendations.
-------------------------

Don't you think that Apple has some insight into their business? granted, thay have made mistakes in the past but none of them were fatal. Every company makes mistakes. What makes you think that you have all the answers (you being some guy that makes lame posts in an online newsgroup) Vs. another person with a marketing degree and the performance history to be hired by Apple?

Maybe you need to realize that not every product is designed with the average joe in mind (BMW, Porsche etc). I know that I can afford one because I had a great summer job and I saved my $. I am a student that is on a tighter budget than most people that have jobs in the real world.

so there!

Anyways, that is my opinion... Time will be the deceiding factor in this arguement. After Xmas we will see if the iPod is indeed another cube.


l8r

[John B. Smith]

wiggles is a real moron.. for all practical purposes, ALL macs have firewire, and who gives a damn about all the pc users who dont have it..

and as for this whole petition idea, why dont you spend the time that you would devote to organizing a petition, and go EARN the $100 to pay for it. or better yet, since the idea is going to flop as you say, then go sell your apple stock and use that money to buy an iPod

[vvedge]

From Macminute:

iPod is a bargain, depending on how you look at it

While pundits may criticize the relatively high US$399 price tag of Apple's iPod, it's difficult to call the device's value into question. The iPod's 5GB drive is a tiny, 1.8-inch Toshiba drive that sells on its own (as a PCMCIA card) for $399 (although the MSRP is apparently $499). Similarly, SmartDisk's tiny FireFly FireWire drive, which uses the same drive, will sell for $399 when it ships. Given the technology and compared to the prices that related products sell for, Apple's iPod becomes a downright bargain. For those who quip that 5GB isn't enough, Toshiba plans on releasing a 10GB version of the drive next year; you can expect Apple to follow suit when it does.

hmmm...$399 for just the drive... or $399 for the drive and a high speed firewire enclosure and mp3 player built in...

Tell me the iPod is overpriced....

Originally posted by vvedge:
<STRONG>
Apple wants to move the PC world to Firewire</STRONG>

By announcing a Mac-only device.

Yeah whatever.

Sony is moving the PC world to Firewire at its own pace just fine, by shipping DV camcorders with Firewire, and Vaio PC's and notebooks with built-in Firewire support right out of the box.

If you want to move the PC world to Firewire, the LEAST you can do is build PC support into your products.

I have no idea what the hell Apple is trying to do, but they will end up losing a ton of money trying.

Originally posted by John B. Smith:
<STRONG>who gives a damn about all the pc users who dont have it..</STRONG>

Selling your product exclusively to the smallest minority group in the country is a very bad idea regardless of the quality of your product or lack thereof.

[GetSome681]

PC support isn't out yet as iPod synchs with iTunes...and iTunes isn't a part of Windows. Apple wanted to release iPod in synch with the iTunes thing, b/c it adds to what the product can do. Apple has said that they do probably plan on bringing it to PCs...but that the interface won't be the same..sicne it won't automatically update via your itunes playlist. And also that there might be some compatibility issues with drivers in reading an external firewire drive on the pc..so calm down...

Personally, I think it's good it's an Apple only product now, so that when all my friends see this thing, and how small it is, and me loading files on it too, and lugging it around, and how cool the interface, as in that rotate thingy and stuff..they will be jealous of something that APPLE makes..and that they can't use..maybe it will help people switch over. Not the iPod itself..but when people see how you connect it to your computer, and if you're running OS X, that might be their first time seeing that as well, and might become very intrigued in all the products this mysterious Apple company makes, that they barely even knew was alive.

Stop your complaining, and go play with your mangina.

Selling your product exclusively to the smallest minority group in the country is a very bad idea regardless of the quality of your product or lack thereof.

Like Mac software?

Idiot.

Originally posted by &lt;squiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

Like Mac software?

Idiot.</STRONG>

Last I checked, Mac software works on non-Firewire Macs as well.

The iPod doesn't.

You are the idiot.

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

The Nomad uses USB for a reason. Everybody has USB.

</STRONG>

Wiggles, please stick to the facts. Not everybody has USB. Saying they do is a lie or a distortion of reality. And it's not the job of MP3 player manufacturers to cater to them and their serial ports, just as it's not Apple's job to fret about who has FireWire. I have a laser disc player. Now there's DVD. Time marches on. Don't be intellectually dishonest. It's unappealing.

Originally posted by &lt;dm&gt;:
<STRONG>


Wiggles, please stick to the facts. Not everybody has USB.</STRONG>

Jesus, aren't you pedantic now.

All PC's sold in the past few years have had USB.

Anyone who is in a position to afford an mp3 player has USB as long as they have a computer. That's a given. PC or Mac, they have USB.

Nobody cares about the P166 you have left from 8 years ago.

If that's your main computer, chances are very good that you can't afford an mp3 player anytime soon.

[TazmanDman]

wiggles,
I've been browsing the boards for some time now... you are a biased, judgemental freak who doesn't know all the facts and likes to make ones up as well... the real idiots are the windows guys with nothing to do but bash on apple by surfing on the mac communities most popular boards... instead of saying everything over and over again in several different threads on this peripheral board, go get your facts straight and come back with an objective attitude, not cynical and just plain wrong.

being objective and finding something that is worth credit or not is one thing, but you seem to be a very close-minded, cynical person, regardless of your opinons from your "years of experience in computers that nobody even knew existed" (that was a paraphrase from one of your previous posts somewhere else)

i was in a good mood until i read your same posts over and over again...get a life


-Taz

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

Jesus, aren't you pedantic now.

All PC's sold in the past few years have had USB.

Anyone who is in a position to afford an mp3 player has USB as long as they have a computer. That's a given. PC or Mac, they have USB.

</STRONG>

Wiggles, it's not pedantic when the big, burning issue for so many seems to be how much money something will cost versus what functionality it will provide. Plenty of people with older PCs or Macs, feeling no immediate need to upgrade, would love to play with MP3s even when their computers are doing everything they need them to and pre-date the technologies now being used. Their option is to encode and burn to CDR/RioVolt etc. and not much else. Is anyone crying about their plight? No. Because time marches on. If they want it bad enough, they need the hardware to match. Same goes for iPod. It's no different for the Mac or the PC crowd despite the zealotry we're being treated to here.

What I'm taking issue with is your personal bias and failure to be objective about relative merits of either platform. You make the claim but somehow it rings false when you just bleat on about how Jobs is an egomaniac and Macs can't do anything practical for what they cost. All matters of your (and others) opinion, not fact.

I feel it's acually pedantic to discuss but not listen. I'm listening. I'd love to hear an honest point from you.

Originally posted by &lt;dm&gt;:
<STRONG>
I feel it's acually pedantic to discuss but not listen. I'm listening. I'd love to hear an honest point from you.</STRONG>

Fine, here's the thing. Any computer with a PCI port can get a USB or Firewire PCI card. So any PC or Mac of the past 12 years or so can theoretically use any USB or Firewire product, assuming that drivers exist for their OS for that given USB or Firewire product.

It would have taken Apple negligible time to write basic drivers for Windows. That would have gained their product at least some credibility. There are more Sony Vaios with Firewire in use than all Firewire Macs combined. Any other PC or Mac users can theoretically get extra Firewire ports through the PCI card solution, should they be so inclined.

For some reason, Apple chose not to do this. Jobs' ego was doubtless a major factor in this decision. Time will show if it will help or hurt Apple to shut out the single legitimate computing market there is.

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

For some reason, Apple chose not to do this. Jobs' ego was doubtless a major factor in this decision. Time will show if it will help or hurt Apple to shut out the single legitimate computing market there is.</STRONG>

Did you used to date Steve Jobs? Did he break your heart? I don't know why you are so transfixed with the man, his ego or anything else about him. He's in charge of Apple computer. You are not. He (probably) reckoned that x number of FireWire Macs were out there, and that if, of those, he could sell y number of iPods at $399, everything would be cool. If they sell more, more cool. If they don't, they're screwed. His decision. I don't think Apple Computer is too concerned with th average PC users computing experience. After so many years of battling with Palm, Intuit and all the other manufacturers out there over OS parity, maybe they figured it's time to let the PC people sweat this one out. As long as Apple sells that y number, they do not have to worry about world domination in the MP3 player arena.
I think the iPod is great. It is not overpriced, in fact it's cheap. I say we petition for a price increase. I'll go $450, anyone else...

Cliff

Originally posted by aaanorton:
<STRONG>

maybe they figured it's time to let the PC people sweat this one out.

</STRONG>

HAHAHAHAHA

*sniff*

Good one.

The last thing a PC user wants is an overpriced, incompatible copycat of Creative Nomad.

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

For some reason, Apple chose not to do this. Jobs' ego was doubtless a major factor in this decision. Time will show if it will help or hurt Apple to shut out the single legitimate computing market there is.</STRONG>

Oh yeah, one more thing. I question your use of the word legitimate. Legitimate to who? You?
If any given product can be supported by any market, it is successful. It is legitimized. Thus it is not dependent on, nor measured by the people who didn't buy it, only those who did.
Should Porsche (I know everyone is sick of the analogy, but I'm tapped for another right now) only sell cars with fuel injectors that fit GM or Dailmer cars? No. If you want the ride, get the Porsche. If you want parts at you local mechanic, go GM.
I still think IPod is cheap.

Cliff

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

HAHAHAHAHA

*sniff*

Good one.

The last thing a PC user wants is an overpriced, incompatible copycat of Creative Nomad.</STRONG>

If you don't want one, why is this such an issue for you?

Originally posted by aaanorton:
<STRONG>

If you don't want one, why is this such an issue for you?</STRONG>

I'm trying to inject some common sense into the kind of cult mentality that can possibly justify blowing $400 on a Creative Nomad copycat.

This is my charitable act for this week.

Originally posted by aaanorton:
<STRONG>

Should Porsche (I know everyone is sick of the analogy, but I'm tapped for another right now) only sell cars with fuel injectors that fit GM or Dailmer cars? </STRONG>

A Porsche comes with its own fuel injector, and will not work without one.

No Mac comes with an iPod, and even if some do at some point in the future, a Mac will work perfectly fine without an iPod.

Your analogy is stupid.

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>I'm trying to inject some common sense into the kind of cult mentality that can possibly justify blowing $400 on a Creative Nomad copycat.
</STRONG>

It's funny: Apple copies, WinTel intigrates.
I'd think twice before putting too many eggs in that Apple-as-copycat basket.

Cliff
p.s. You want one. Admit it.

Originally posted by aaanorton:
<STRONG>
p.s. You want one. Admit it.</STRONG>

I already have a RioVolt and am very happy with it. It has the best price-to-performance ratio of any mp3 player.

I do have my eye on the new pitch black RioVolt that just came out in Korea and will be sold in the US soon. It has a bunch of new features including built-in radio and rechargeable built-in batteries. That is if I can sell off my RioVolt first. Any takers?

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

A Porsche comes with its own fuel injector, and will not work without one.

No Mac comes with an iPod, and even if some do at some point in the future, a Mac will work perfectly fine without an iPod.

Your analogy is stupid.</STRONG>

Doesn't it suck when all you can do is pick apart the analogy to stay in it?
Okay... seat warmer, sheep skin seat cover, fog lights, whatever: It's an analogy.

Cliff

You want one.

[ 10-25-2001: Message edited by: aaanorton ]

Originally posted by aaanorton:
<STRONG>

Okay, seat warmer, sheep skin seat cover, fog lights, whatever: It's an analogy.

Cliff

You want one.</STRONG>

All of your examples work in any car regardless of manufacturer. They are engineered to universal specifications.

Thank you for proving my point.

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

I already have a RioVolt and am very happy with it. It has the best price-to-performance ratio of any mp3 player.

I do have my eye on the new pitch black RioVolt that just came out in Korea and will be sold in the US soon. It has a bunch of new features including built-in radio and rechargeable built-in batteries. That is if I can sell off my RioVolt first. Any takers?</STRONG>

Why don't you hook it up to your GigaHertz PC, break out a watch, and transfer 20 songs to that RioVolt & tell us how long it takes?

[tycheung]

So, in other words, you want us to buy only what YOU like. What are you, a fascist?

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

I'm trying to inject some common sense into the kind of cult mentality that can possibly justify blowing $400 on a Creative Nomad copycat.

This is my charitable act for this week.</STRONG>

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

All of your examples work in any car regardless of manufacturer. They are engineered to universal specifications.

Thank you for proving my point.</STRONG>

You see many PT Cruisers around tricked out with little itty-bitty Porsche seats so they can get those cool seat covers?
This is the problem with analogies. They only work on primates.

Originally posted by FormerLurker:
<STRONG>

Why don't you hook it up to your GigaHertz PC, break out a watch, and transfer 20 songs to that RioVolt & tell us how long it takes?</STRONG>

The RioVolt uses music CDs, CDRs and CDRWs.

It's like a portable CD player that's so smart, it knows how to make sense of mp3s on data CDs.

It's the best all-around portable music solution there is.

[aaanorton]

In my last post, I forgot to mention: you want one.

Originally posted by aaanorton:
<STRONG>

You see many PT Cruisers around tricked out with little itty-bitty Porsche seats so they can get those cool seat covers?
This is the problem with analogies. They only work on primates.</STRONG>

As far as I am aware, seat covers are one-size-fits-all. Using velcro or some such. I don't use seat covers, so I couldn't tell you.

[FormerLurker]

OK

We're both getting ready to take a road trip and don't have a lot of time.

I have my iBook (or use my G4 DP minitower, doesn't matter either way) and an iPod, and you have your monsterous PC rig and your Rio ultimate music solution.

We each have a playlist of 20 songs (or 50 - or 100 - take your pick) that we want to hear on the road.

Now, how long will it take you to

insert CD
wait for machine to create directory on new CD
"burn" files
wait for burned track to close (often the longest part of a CD burn for a 16x or higher burner, especially if burning 100 MB or less)
eject CD
put CD in your Rio

go ahead - grab a disk and a watch, give it a shot. Make it 5 songs, 10 songs, 50, 100, or whatever you want.

Let us know the time.

What's that, you say? there is a price for convenience?

why, that's what we've been saying all along !

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

As far as I am aware, seat covers are one-size-fits-all.</STRONG>

Not at the Porsche dealership.
But you illustrate the problem here perfectly. One size does not fit all. Hence the Macintosh and iPod.

Go get one.

Cliff

[aaanorton]

&lt;wiggles&gt;,
If you write any more posts, you should simply say "I want an iPod, but can not afford one". It's okay. Maybe we can get Sawtooth2000 to start a petition for donations for you.

Cliff

(you really, really want one.)

Originally posted by FormerLurker:
<STRONG>

We each have a playlist of 20 songs (or 50 - or 100 - take your pick) that we want to hear on the road.</STRONG>

I create my mp3 CDRs as soon as I am done downloading full albums of mp3s. Sometimes I burn mp3s of a certain genre.

I check their ID3 tags, I put them in their respective folders, I burn.

When I go out, taking the music I want with me is as simple as choosing which CDRs I want to take with me. A few seconds.

I don't burn a new CD every time I go out. Who has time to pick 20 individual songs every time they want to go out? mp3-CD players help you be more organized in the way you store and retrieve your music. It's not a huge jumble of mp3s in your hard disk.

[dreilly1]

Mr. Wiggles, do you realize that you posted to this particular discussion multiple times today, at least once an hour after 4PM, and sometimes every ten or so minutes? And this isn't the only discussion here that you've graced thusly with your presence.
I wish I had a job where I could fart around every hour and post minute-by-minute minutia about how stupid we all are.

As for this iPod thingy, yeah, it's too expensive. But remember - You're really paying for the diminutive size, and the small hard drive alone is worth most of the price. For people who place a high priority on high transfer rates and small form factor (as most Mac users are apt to do), the price is actually pretty reasonable.
As well as Macs perform, many Mac users look for form as well as function, and the iPod is the only MP3 player with both. (When given links to all the MP3 players at ThinkGeek, my wife said "Who would want them over an iPod? They're ugly.")
Apple will sell as many as they can make, and that's the definition of a sucessful product.

Originally posted by dreilly1:
<STRONG>my wife said "Who would want them over an iPod? They're ugly</STRONG>

My girlfriend wanted a Sony Vaio "because it's purple".

She had no idea what was in it, or if it was a good value, or if it even worked right.

Women are like that. If you let your wife do your technology purchase decisions for you, you're in deep trouble Mister.

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>
Who has time to pick 20 individual songs every time they want to go out?
</STRONG>

Well, I do... give me 10 seconds to plug in my Firewire and 5 seconds to find and drag each file, and I'm done in less than two minutes

Ever heard terms like "playlist" or "mix" ?
you know, where you want to hear a particular DMB song, then a certain train song, then an old Bob Marley song, and then.......

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>
mp3-CD players help you be more organized in the way you store and retrieve your music. It's not a huge jumble of mp3s in your hard disk.</STRONG>

Hmmm... a big bulky hard CD player sized device (how long is your battery life, anyway?), along with 7 CDs full of mp3 files....
vs
a single device with a 10-hr battery
pocket-sized (2.43 by 4.02 by 0.78 inches) and ultralight (6.5 ounces)

How can you possibly call that an equivalent combination of functionality and ease of use?

and... oh yeah - I can find all my music by artist, title, or playlist in seconds.... and you say you are MORE organized with a CD player?

Wow, how 1990's !!!


How much time will you have to spend between songs searching for the right track to hear the above example of 20 different songs from 20 different albums while you are on the road?

[sreilly]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

My girlfriend wanted a Sony Vaio "because it's purple".

She had no idea what was in it, or if it was a good value, or if it even worked right.

Women are like that. If you let your wife do your technology purchase decisions for you, you're in deep trouble Mister.</STRONG>

At the risk of going off topic - although I would venture to say this entire discussion is off topic - you have some serious issues. Do you let your girlfriend read what you write about her?

My actual statement was that the other options out there were too big, as well as ugly. I already carry a laptop, cell phone, pda, digital camera, and various other gadgets. I don't need a portable-cd-player-sized mp3 player and a stack of cd-r's on top of all that. I am one of those mac users who appreciates form and function. I would take a powerbook over a vaio any day because I think it is a superior machine. It's a matter of personal opinion which one looks cooler.

For an opinionated jerk, you're extremely pathetic - you don't even have the balls to register. My advice to you: get a life!

Listen everyone. Listen carefully. The iPOD is a great technological gizzmo. The point that peopl are making about the price is a valid one. Why? Well, Apple has done something like this before, it was called the Cube. It looked great and even got into the MOMA. BUT, it failed. it was too expensive and the market was not ready for it at that point. The iPOD will fail as it is too expensive and the market is not ready for it just not. More so, the market is crowded for MP3 like devices.

Lets forget the Wintel crowd just for a minute. Now, the iPOD is only ready for FW equiped Macs running OS9.2. This automatically rules out a large number of people own Macs who will not pay to buy a new Mac to be able to use iPOD. This is poor judgement by Apple.

In summary (and mark my words), the iPOD is a great gizzmo, drooled over by many, bought by a few and will fail/ be discountinue as the Cube was.

Combe

[GORDYmac]

I believe Apple's response, if any, will be that there are other alternatives, you don't have to buy it. There's always the iPod LC.

[eep!]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

The iPod is a knock-off of the Creative Nomad.

So it has a Firewire port. Big deal. 5% of computer users worldwide, including Mac and PC users, have Firewire. If that many.

The Nomad uses USB for a reason. Everybody has USB.

If you want to buy overpriced copycats, I'll sell you an iPod for $1000!</STRONG>

i don't have a usb port, but then i don't have firewire either... but if i had both and i was in the market for a portable mp3 player, i think i'd stump up the extra for an iPod. the reason: firewire.

move 5gb over usb? no thanks...

[ihxo]

If I were &lt;wiggles&gt; I'd give up all mp3 players and get a sony radio walkman, it's 4-5 times cheaper than any mp3 players, dynamic playlist, built-in Human DJ, Zero sync time, no need to &gt;&gt;&gt;STEAL MUSIC&lt;&lt;&lt; from mp3 sites anymore, long battery life, really small, and most important, radio never skips.