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Nov 5, 2008, 03:33 PM
 
Clinton insider Rahm Emanuel accepts BO offers of White House Chief of Staff.
WASHINGTON -- President-elect Barack Obama chose Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanual to be his White House chief of staff, his first selection for the new administration, Democratic officials said Wednesday.
So much for change. Emanuel is one of the most partisan members of congress.
     
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Nov 5, 2008, 03:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Clinton insider Rahm Emanuel accepts BO offers of White House Chief of Staff.


So much for change. Emanuel is one of the most partisan members of congress.
So? I'm more interested in who he chooses for Secretary of State or Secretary of the Treasury than I am in who's going to be White House Chief of Staff. Bush's chiefs of staff haven't been exactly non-partisan either.
     
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Nov 5, 2008, 03:39 PM
 
*Sigh* do you know what the Chief of Staff does, Chongo? Why would you not want somebody in this position that you personally felt close to and comfortable with?
     
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Nov 5, 2008, 03:40 PM
 
Although it is counter-intuitive, this is actually a great pick if you are looking for a bipartisan Obama agenda. Emanuel will play the bad cop and be better able to bludgeon rank-and-file Democrats into falling in line, while Obama reaches across the aisle.

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Nov 5, 2008, 03:45 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Why would you not want somebody in this position that you personally felt close to and comfortable with?
That about says it all about the Obama bipartisan lie myth.

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Nov 5, 2008, 04:03 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
That about says it all about the Obama bipartisan lie myth.

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I should have emphasized in this *particular* position. Seriously, Chief of Staff is very much like picking a VP. Read the Wikipedia page on this position to get a better sense of what it entails. It seriously only makes sense for any president to pick somebody they feel personally comfortable with. Who would you have picked?
     
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Nov 5, 2008, 04:51 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
That about says it all about the Obama bipartisan lie myth.

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Wow, you truly are blinded by partisanship.

Name me ONE President-elect who chose someone from the other party to be his Chief of Staff. Just one. I'll be waiting....
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Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa View Post


Wow, you truly are blinded by partisanship.

Name me ONE President-elect who chose someone from the other party to be his Chief of Staff. Just one. I'll be waiting....
I suspect this will be one knee jerk reaction of many to follow
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I suspect this will be one knee jerk reaction of many to follow
You'd best grow some skin, boy - you got at least four years of it.
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Nov 5, 2008, 05:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa View Post
Name me ONE President-elect who chose someone from the other party to be his Chief of Staff. Just one. I'll be waiting....
Show me where I asked for this ?

I think it would have been enough to appoint someone who is NOT known for partisan behavior.

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Nov 5, 2008, 05:09 PM
 
Oh lordie. It begins.

This just in, Obama woke up this morning and put his pants on one leg at a time. Is this really change?

What would have been change enough for you?

A Golden Retriever? A Leprechaun? The reanimated corpse of Reagan?

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Nov 5, 2008, 05:11 PM
 
Well, call me when he starts walking on water

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Nov 5, 2008, 05:11 PM
 
Partisan behavior = supports things I disagree with

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Nov 5, 2008, 05:13 PM
 
All the Republicans need to get off their high horse and realize that any conservative appointed to Obama's staff is a gift, not an obligation.

They should be thankful for what they are getting honestly. Obama could completely shut them out if he wanted.
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Nov 5, 2008, 05:14 PM
 
he's a uniter, not a divider
     
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Nov 5, 2008, 05:15 PM
 
Gift ?

After the Democracks gave us the greatest gift of all ?

Nah, thanks. I don't consider things a gift that I'll have to pay for dearly.

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Nov 5, 2008, 05:16 PM
 
Originally Posted by stumblinmike View Post
he's a uniter, not a divider
And the Republicans are lucky that he is, and honestly should be thankful for that instead of whining and moaning whenever he appoints a Democrat for a post.

I mean, what do you expect? He's a Democrat. The Republicans lost, and yet they expect to be treated like winners.
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Nov 5, 2008, 05:18 PM
 
Could you just stop asking us to be thankful ?

If I felt thankful, I'd voted for him.

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Nov 5, 2008, 05:21 PM
 
To repeat: Obama will be coming into the presidency from being a one-term U.S. senator. He needs someone as his chief of staff who has a history of party loyalty and great Hill connections if he wants to have any legislative agenda, much less a bipartisan one. There are plenty of other opportunities to place more independent-minded advisers, and I expect to see a few.

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Nov 5, 2008, 05:21 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Could you just stop asking us to be thankful ?

If I felt thankful, I'd voted for him.

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Maybe you should think about if Hillary got elected how many Republicans would be put into Hillary's cabinet...

The Republicans lost. The Democrats aren't under any obligation to put any Republicans in the executive branch. The more noise the Republicans make about how unfair it is that the party that won the election is putting people from that party into office, the less the Democrats are going to want to work with any of the whiners.
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Nov 5, 2008, 07:48 PM
 
I don't expect much from Republicans but I do expect a little perspective. You guys have had things your way for 8 years, 6 of which you had Congress too.

I don't recall too many Democrats in Bush's administration or much bipartisanship from the right during that time.

So, before you start whining and complaining, why not wait and see what ACTUALLY happens over the next few months?

I swear, the vitriol and hate some people have for Obama is astounding.
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Nov 5, 2008, 07:59 PM
 
It is change. He's changing the White House Chief of Staff. First box checked for promise kept for change!
     
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Nov 6, 2008, 05:24 AM
 
Obama brings change to poor people. Just some loose change.

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Nov 6, 2008, 08:46 AM
 
Sounds like a pitbull in a yarmulke.
     
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Nov 6, 2008, 08:48 AM
 
Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa View Post
I swear, the vitriol and hate some people have for Obama is astounding.
Kinda like y'all had for Bush and Palin, no?
     
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Nov 6, 2008, 08:49 AM
 
Originally Posted by RAILhead View Post
Kinda like y'all had for Bush and Palin, no?
That wasn't vitriol and hate - that was "inclusiveness" and "unity".
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Nov 6, 2008, 09:05 AM
 
Unbelievable that the Democratic President-elect chose a Democrat to be his chief of staff. What will he do next? Chongo, Railhead, Turtle, I absolutely agree that this is completely stunning. Do you think he'll dare to put other Democrats in his administration?!
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Nov 6, 2008, 09:55 AM
 
Can't we all just get along!??!?!?!? Mom, Dad. Please stop fighting..... *whimpers.* I promise to be good, just please stop fighting! God it's all my fault! All my fault!!
     
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Nov 6, 2008, 10:02 AM
 
I suppose that getting a retread of the Clinton Administration is the best we can possibly hope for from President Elect Barack Hussein Obama.

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Nov 6, 2008, 10:15 AM
 
Couldn't you at least wait until he actually does something you don't like before you start this irrational hate?

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Nov 6, 2008, 10:19 AM
 
Originally Posted by RAILhead View Post
Kinda like y'all had for Bush and Palin, no?
I find it interesting that you didn't mention McCain.

I also find it interesting that prior to election, the republican candidate was trying very hard to distance himself from Bush, and after the election, it seems everyone is pissed off at Palin.

IOW, the dislike of Bush and Palin is not exclusive to Democrats. Furthermore, the respect of McCain is not limited to Republicans.
     
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Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
Couldn't you at least wait until he actually does something you don't like before you start this irrational hate?
What, like co-sponsoring the tax haven abuse bill?

Wake up. He's already done loads of things we don't like.
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Nov 6, 2008, 10:22 AM
 
You don't even live in this country? What is your deal anyway? You just like to talk down to all the people of the world?

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You don't even live in this country? What is your deal anyway?
That act seriously affects where I've got my money stored. Therefore, it affects me.

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You just like to talk down to all the people of the world?
No, just insane lefties who have no clue how the world works.
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Nov 6, 2008, 10:26 AM
 
You sure do have everything figured out, don't you.

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You sure do have everything figured out, don't you.
Well, yes. Everyone who's not a retard has pretty much everything figured out.

You've got everything figured out, haven't you?
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Nov 6, 2008, 10:51 AM
 
No. I sure as hell don't have everything figured out. Not even close. The closer I get to thinking I've figured everything out, the more I realize that I don't understand much at all. I think anyone who claims to have figured everything out is an idiot.

That's why I love hearing opposing viewpoints and alternate lines of thinking. That's why I like hanging out on internet message boards. BEcause they attract such an interesting smattering of characters.

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The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing. I think Axyl Rose or somebody said that.
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Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
No. I sure as hell don't have everything figured out. Not even close. The closer I get to thinking I've figured everything out, the more I realize that I don't understand much at all. I think anyone who claims to have figured everything out is an idiot.
Well, I don't know owt about photography. And I don't know how to speak Portuguese. But I'm pretty fsking sure I have international politics and their influence on international finances sorted out.

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That's why I love hearing opposing viewpoints and alternate lines of thinking.
This is obviously complete BS. Or you wouldn't have posted this:

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You don't even live in this country?


Don't worry. Obama has it all figured out. He'll save you.
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Unbelievable that the Democratic President-elect chose a Democrat to be his chief of staff. What will he do next? Chongo, Railhead, Turtle, I absolutely agree that this is completely stunning. Do you think he'll dare to put other Democrats in his administration?!
No one is saying he should be appointing republicans, in fact I don't want him to appoint any republicans. I want this to be all BO and the democrats baby. I was would think someone saying how bipartisan he will be would not choose someone as partisan as Rahm Emanuel. Democratic strategist Paul Begala, has described Emanuel's aggressive style as a "cross between a hemorrhoid and a toothache."
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If you've got international politics figured out, why are you mixing pop songs in a basement? You should be fixing this mess.

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I also want to point out that this is still just a rumor. I have not seen this news officially announced anywhere.

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I'm curious. I've heard some of you (on the right) describe Clinton as a moderate liberal, particularly in comparison to Obama. So shouldn't it be "encouraging" if Obama pulls someone from Clinton's "moderate liberal" administration?
     
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If you've got international politics figured out, why are you mixing pop songs in a basement?
I'm not in a basement.

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You should be fixing this mess.
I'm working on it.
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It’s all the same fụcking shıt, anyway. The corporate filth that’s actually in charge of meta-political decision-making have clearly ascertained that McFụcktard/Mrs.MooseKiller was an unwinnable combo, so they let the coconut win. The only positive thing I can say about the whole shebang would be that O’Bama’s victory might pave the way for more radical black amurrhicanism in the future. As the girls are so fond of saying, ‘Once you go black, you don’t go back.’ Or something to that effect. Lesser evil, bla bla bla.
     
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Originally Posted by red rocket View Post
It’s all the same fụcking shıt, anyway. The corporate filth that’s actually in charge of meta-political decision-making have clearly ascertained that McFụcktard/Mrs.MooseKiller was an unwinnable combo, so they let the coconut win. The only positive thing I can say about the whole shebang would be that O’Bama’s victory might pave the way for more radical black amurrhicanism in the future. As the girls are so fond of saying, ‘Once you go black, you don’t go back.’ Or something to that effect. Lesser evil, bla bla bla.
See, when RAILhead and Monique agree, and red rocket and I agree, you know there's something wrong somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
I was would think someone saying how bipartisan he will be would not choose someone as partisan as Rahm Emanuel.
The "change" Obama brings to Washington is chiefly specific policies he wants Congress to pass. Emanuel's selection does affect "change" in one important respect. It in fact makes it more likely that change will happen with someone as ruthless and effective as Emanuel as Chief of Staff. Bipartisanship is nice, but not at the expense of the policy changes that make up Obama's message of "change."

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