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Dec 25, 2018, 01:47 AM
 
Looking at it from a big picture perspective, Trump has maintained a rather stable-but-low ~43 % approval rating according to 538, but that was during a period with good economic data. Despite that, the GOP got a bloody nose in the mid-terms. If the economy is really taking a turn for the worse, and I mean if the economic downturn must be felt by his supporters, I think this is it for him. The GOP's wall against impeachment proceedings will crumble, not necessarily because they agree with the “official” reasons, but because keeping Trump in power is getting dangerous for them (as it diminishes their chances to get re-elected). If I were the Democrats, I'd look more closely at Trump's business dealings starting January, e. g. subpoenaing his tax records, and see if he and his family are in violation of the Emoluments Clause.

Regarding the Wall, Trump has really played his cards like a drunken gambler who is down on his luck and on his last shirt. He insisted on a shutdown for something that the GOP couldn't muster the votes for for two years. Two years. Then President Trump took gleefully responsibility for the shutdown on TV (giving Chuck Schumer an ear-to-ear grin). I can only imagine the expletives that Mitch McConnell uttered when he saw that.
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Dec 25, 2018, 01:37 PM
 
A belated thought. Why should Congress give Trump money for the Wall? Trump promised Mexico would pay for the Wall. So why spend billions of US tax dollars on it?

Instead of shutting down the US government over the holidays, perhaps Trump should travel to Mexico City. Open negotiations for a payment schedule.
     
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Dec 26, 2018, 03:20 PM
 
Apparently, the noise about him not visiting troops for xmas got to be too much and he and the missus flew out to Iraq late last night.
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and proceeded to lie about the raises that only he has given them.
     
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I ran across this interesting Twitter thread concerning the Iraq trip.
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Feb 15, 2019, 07:41 AM
 
Well, here we go. It appears I-1 is going to simultaneously approve the new spending bill and declare a national emergency today.
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Feb 15, 2019, 11:36 AM
 
ugh. I hate that every day we get more of this bs.
     
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Feb 15, 2019, 02:47 PM
 
This dude is just asking for a constitutional crisis. All I know is if the conservative majority SCOTUS backs him on this then the GOP better not ever twist their lips to complain about "executive overreach" again. SMH

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What is the probability of that happening? The GOP still insists it is the party of financial responsibility.
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
The GOP still insists it is the party of financial responsibility.
It's tempting to talk about tax cuts when we're in debt. But I'm curious why they think they're still the financially responsible party. I haven't heard Reps make that claim lately, so I'm not clear on their reasoning today. I was expecting the GOP to quietly drop the "financially responsible" plank.
     
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Feb 15, 2019, 04:40 PM
 
People don't understand taxes. They were thrilled when their withholding changed so they got more each paycheck ($5 is another cup of coffee!) but are mad their refund is smaller. Trump didn't give the middle and lower classes anything. He robbed Peter to pay Paul.
     
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
I was expecting the GOP to quietly drop the "financially responsible" plank.
Financially responsible = Kicking poor brown people off Medicaid and SNAP.
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
It's tempting to talk about tax cuts when we're in debt. But I'm curious why they think they're still the financially responsible party. I haven't heard Reps make that claim lately, so I'm not clear on their reasoning today. I was expecting the GOP to quietly drop the "financially responsible" plank.
You can be sure that this is brought out when the GOP disses the Democrats’s health care and tax policies (“Do you want a 70 % tax rate!?!”). Although tax-and-spend is still financially more sensible than not-tax-but-still-spend.
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
People don't understand taxes. They were thrilled when their withholding changed so they got more each paycheck ($5 is another cup of coffee!) but are mad their refund is smaller. Trump didn't give the middle and lower classes anything. He robbed Peter to pay Paul.
When do politicians ever NOT rob Peter to pay Paul ?
That’s how the hole social security system works.

Same discussion about any other government benefits and services.
Let’s not forget that government doesn’t have money - it’s all “robbed” via taxation or inflation.

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What is the probability of that happening? The GOP still insists it is the party of financial responsibility.
There is that.

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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
When do politicians ever NOT rob Peter to pay Paul ?
That’s how the hole social security system works.

Same discussion about any other government benefits and services.
Let’s not forget that government doesn’t have money - it’s all “robbed” via taxation or inflation.
Paying taxes ≠ being robbed.
Unless you want to live in anarchy, you need to support a state. In any case being financially responsible means that the state has enough income to pay for its expenses. Cutting the income side of the equation but doing nothing about the expenses or, in some sectors, increasing them, is financially irresponsible.
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Feb 19, 2019, 12:42 PM
 
But you guys - billionaires have paid other billionaires to convince me that taxes on billionaires is robbery. So I will fight for the cause of those billionaires that are only billionaires because they were provided with physical safety from constant robbery through basic law and order, access to an educated workforce via primary, secondary, and post-secondary schools, access to cheap food through government subsidized farming, access to cheap energy through government subsidized and regulated oil, gas, coal, and renewable energy, uninhibited access to telecommunications through government regulated telecom services, and like...roads are important too?

Everyone thinks that in some kind of anarcho-capitalist paradise they'd be Immortan Joe. Best case they'd be Nux.

And these "true patriots" that "love America" have no problem clamoring all over some crazy socialist nutjob idea like no-cost college because why should my own hard-earned dollars be wasting on sending lazy people to college??

[T]he tax which will be paid for this purpose [education] is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance.
Whatever wacko that said this believes that if we don't fund education, wealth will concentrate to just a few people that will in turn milk the general populace dry, to an amount much greater than the taxes required to fund education in the first place. Crazy socialist pipe dream, that.
     
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Trump is just weird… why he don’t want to accept transgender in 100%? I read articles on the spam link about his political views and I don’t know what to think about it.
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Amazing.
     
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We're waiting for something suspicious. Though I admit it's hard to buy already.
     
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We've removed Rodrigo's suspicious sig and replaced it with empty space. Let's see if he notices!
     
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Got 'im. He(?) edited the post a week after. Added a spam link about dildos. Kinda doubt Trump sells those.
     
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Got 'im. He(?) edited the post a week after. Added a spam link about dildos. Kinda doubt Trump sells those.
I really hope not.

Though now I'm tempted bulk buy some really tiny ones, paint 'Trump' on them with Lead-based gold paint and sell them described as "Uuuuge" for a silly price.
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Aug 21, 2019, 05:45 PM
 
So, Greenland welcomes its new insect overlord?

At least the lucky Danes are spared a Trump visit as the baby leader throws his toys out of the pram at not being allowed to buy endlessrareearthmineralsland, I mean Greenland, and cancels his visit.

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I'm not clear why Trump got interested in Greenland. Because he got the itch to do a big real estate deal? Rare earth minerals is not something I've heard him interested in before, so that seems doubtful.

Maybe someone should tell him it's mostly covered in ice. And has an economy only ~2% of Puerto Rico's.
     
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Aug 21, 2019, 07:18 PM
 
He heard russia wanted it.
So he was going to wrap it and put it under their Christmas tree.
     
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Aug 24, 2019, 07:25 PM
 
He figured he could make it the 51st state and rename it Trumpland. Then populate it with volunteer assholes and give it a shit ton of electoral college votes.
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So, the acting head of Customs and Border Protection said Monday that refugees from the Bahamas were welcome under Temporary Protected Status in the US. Trump then contradicted them and declared that Bahamian refugees would not be welcome here. Apparently, “very bad people” might get in.
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The "very bad people" already got in. Some even got into government. This shouldn't be a concern.

Just use the supplies & space set aside for Alabama hurricane refugees.
     
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The "very bad people" already got in. Some even got into government. This shouldn't be a concern.
The swamp has been a sewer for some time now.
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It’s being reported that Trump plans on revoking California’s EPA emissions waiver that allows the state to establish its own vehicle standards.

This guy is nothing but an angry, vindictive child.
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It’s being reported that Trump plans on revoking California’s EPA emissions waiver that allows the state to establish its own vehicle standards.

This guy is nothing but an angry, vindictive child.
But, but state's rights! Well, only when the states lean the way you want them to, I guess.
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Anyone else doubting Trumps “mocking” of Greta Thunberg.

It seems wildly out of character. In that it’s vaguely ironic. Slightly smart and not in your face bullying.

To me it seems more like he simply entirely forgotten who she was and wheeled out what he thought of as a nice generic platitude.
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