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Airport Express, G5 speed bump what to come in WWDC '04 ?
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:09 AM
 
A little thought,

Apple launched Aiport Express on monday, G5 speed bump today thursday...I am just wondering what is going to come up on WWDC on June 28? Why would apple launch this products before June 28 and not announce them at WWDC'04? Will they have something far more important and better? Any thoughts?
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:18 AM
 
WWDC is supposed to be a developer conference first but Apple has been using it for product announcements also. All that's left to update are displays, iMacs, eMacs, and iPods.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:18 AM
 
Originally posted by jorgem4:
A little thought,

Apple launched Aiport Express on monday, G5 speed bump today thursday...I am just wondering what is going to come up on WWDC on June 28? Why would apple launch this products before June 28 and not announce them at WWDC'04? Will they have something far more important and better? Any thoughts?
That is what I asked myself, too.

Maybe the G5 iMacs are true, and will be presented at WWDC.

It's still kinda strange that Apple announces so much stuff shortly before the WWDC. Kind a unlike Apple...

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Jun 9, 2004, 10:29 AM
 
I'm guessing nothing... and he will focus on Tiger and reviewing all of the hardware.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:33 AM
 
I think the big show-and-tell will be reserved for Tiger.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:37 AM
 
Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
I think the big show-and-tell will be reserved for Tiger.
I think it'll be Tiger and the new G5 iMac... and maybe the new Cinemas.
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:39 AM
 
Originally posted by turtle777:
That is what I asked myself, too.

Maybe the G5 iMacs are true, and will be presented at WWDC.

It's still kinda strange that Apple announces so much stuff shortly before the WWDC. Kind a unlike Apple...

-t
I believe they simply had too much to unveil to do it all at one show.

Tiger, G5 iMac (probably), G5 PM speed bump, new Cinemas, new 60GB iPod, etc.
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:39 AM
 
I'm guessing nothing... Steve will go over AirPort Express and the new G5 and show off Tiger.

Perhaps a little surprise or the iMac mini (that would be great for me)
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 11:01 AM
 
Originally posted by jorgem4:
A little thought,

Apple launched Aiport Express on monday, G5 speed bump today thursday...I am just wondering what is going to come up on WWDC on June 28? Why would apple launch this products before June 28 and not announce them at WWDC'04? Will they have something far more important and better? Any thoughts?
It is called previewing 10.4

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Jun 9, 2004, 11:24 AM
 
I met the dude who gaffs all of Apple's product shoots and he said he had something coming up this week. He said they don't tell him what to expect until he gets there.

I also met a camera man who shoots of them from time to time and he confirmed that Steve Jobs is a complete jerk.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 11:25 AM
 
G5 iMac - the all-dual Powermacs leave the door wide open for a G5 iMac. The time is right - it will never be righter.

My guess is 1.6 1.8 and 2GHz models.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 12:13 PM
 
Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
I also met a camera man who shoots of them from time to time and he confirmed that Steve Jobs is a complete jerk.
Unfortunately, most people that come from nothing to achieve "millionaire" or "billionaire" status are.

Most wealthy "nice guys" come from money.

I'm not saying it's right, but his people seem to stay loyal.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 12:22 PM
 
powermac g5 cube. $999.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 01:01 PM
 
I am guessing that WWDC will focus mostly on software updates. Tiger, and any other new software, developer tools updates, etc. Announcing software updates other than iTunes outside of a conference doesn't make much of an impact, but hardware can be announced whenever it's ready. Just my 2 cents. I'd love to see G5 iMacs, though I won't buy one.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 01:02 PM
 
Originally posted by Gee4orce:
G5 iMac - the all-dual Powermacs leave the door wide open for a G5 iMac. The time is right - it will never be righter.

My guess is 1.6 1.8 and 2GHz models.
Apple just said it's probably not gonna happen in 2004.

http://macnn.com/news/25001

Bummer !

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Jun 9, 2004, 01:03 PM
 
Originally posted by dav:
powermac g5 cube. $999.
You and I WISH it was true...

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Jun 9, 2004, 01:08 PM
 
Originally posted by dav:
powermac g5 cube. $999.
Don't think you could fit much more than one G5 with heatsink in the cube enclosure.

But yeah, if appropriately priced I think it would be a good move.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 03:00 PM
 
G5's with automobile type radiators.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 03:13 PM
 
Uhh... my guess... Jobs announces... he's really been a cross dressing monkey all along...

Don't expect iTunes or iPod news here, that's for the conference on the 15th in London. So either something new with the iMacs, or it'll all be Panther and perhaps a new Keynote or something?
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 03:31 PM
 
The only thing that we know for sure is that "Tiger" will be announced!

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Jun 9, 2004, 03:51 PM
 
I think the new iPod will go with the Euro launch.
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Jun 9, 2004, 06:40 PM
 
Originally posted by Peter:
I think the new iPod will go with the Euro launch.
We don't need a NEW iPod launch in London. What we NEED is a iPod MINI launch in London.
There is 0% chance of there being any sort of big iPod launch (outside of a UK mini announcement) as we always get the stuff months after USA availability. Even Jobs wouldn't launch stuff in one continent for it only to be available in another.
     
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Jun 9, 2004, 07:59 PM
 
They will probably anounce the official release of Motion.
     
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Jun 10, 2004, 12:25 AM
 
iMac Mini?
     
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Jun 10, 2004, 01:43 AM
 
From what I understand the iPod was pretty big over there in the UK, you might see Apple say, hey you guys were huge for that and we love ya crazy brits, here we'll even make em avaliable a week before the US ones
     
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Jun 10, 2004, 01:50 AM
 
Originally posted by Superchicken:
From what I understand the iPod was pretty big over there in the UK, you might see Apple say, hey you guys were huge for that and we love ya crazy brits, here we'll even make em avaliable a week before the US ones
And then Steve will break into a fit of uncontrollable laughter
     
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Jun 10, 2004, 02:16 AM
 
Originally posted by itai195:
And then Steve will break into a fit of uncontrollable laughter
Before or after the cross dressing monkey announcement?
     
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Jun 10, 2004, 07:33 AM
 
I still believe that Apple will debut a new iPod with a colour screen and an iPod version of iPhoto - and maybe - maybe - have it airport enabled. We'll know very shortly.

Of course I could be very wrong - I am *so* happy as today I put my order in for a new 17" powerbook.
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Steve's gonna keep stopping every 20 minutes to refill daimoni's kawfee.
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Jun 10, 2004, 08:03 AM
 
My guess: Tiger, new monitors, and more stuff with the Pro line.

G5 iMacs: Not unless they've redesigned the case. They've had problems fitting the G5 into the current design of iMacs; the chips are simply too hot. I wouldn't put a case-redesign past them, though, because a G5 is not going to fit into the iMac as we know it for at least another year, if it ever does. Unfortunately, the time could be "righter", contrary to what Gee4orce says: namely, when the G5 doesn't run so hot.

G5 eMacs: From a technical perspective this would be much easier; the case is bigger, so heat's not as much of a concern. Business-wise, though, there's no way Apple will launch a G5 eMac until they've got a working G5 iMac.

G5 laptops: Apple's already spoken to this one. It's going to be a while, to say the least. The problem here is even worse than it is with the current iMac case.
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Originally posted by Millennium:
My guess: Tiger, new monitors, and more stuff with the Pro line.

G5 iMacs: Not unless they've redesigned the case. They've had problems fitting the G5 into the current design of iMacs; the chips are simply too hot. I wouldn't put a case-redesign past them, though, because a G5 is not going to fit into the iMac as we know it for at least another year, if it ever does. Unfortunately, the time could be "righter", contrary to what Gee4orce says: namely, when the G5 doesn't run so hot.

G5 eMacs: From a technical perspective this would be much easier; the case is bigger, so heat's not as much of a concern. Business-wise, though, there's no way Apple will launch a G5 eMac until they've got a working G5 iMac.

G5 laptops: Apple's already spoken to this one. It's going to be a while, to say the least. The problem here is even worse than it is with the current iMac case.
Yes, I think the show is going to be more of a wrap up of what they have been doing.

I'm still holding out for either a headless eMac/iMac (same mobo and everything of the eMac, but no monitor) or another consumer electronic device.
     
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Jun 10, 2004, 10:39 AM
 
Originally posted by Millennium:
My guess: Tiger, new monitors, and more stuff with the Pro line.

G5 iMacs: Not unless they've redesigned the case. They've had problems fitting the G5 into the current design of iMacs; the chips are simply too hot. I wouldn't put a case-redesign past them, though, because a G5 is not going to fit into the iMac as we know it for at least another year, if it ever does. Unfortunately, the time could be "righter", contrary to what Gee4orce says: namely, when the G5 doesn't run so hot.

G5 eMacs: From a technical perspective this would be much easier; the case is bigger, so heat's not as much of a concern. Business-wise, though, there's no way Apple will launch a G5 eMac until they've got a working G5 iMac.

G5 laptops: Apple's already spoken to this one. It's going to be a while, to say the least. The problem here is even worse than it is with the current iMac case.
Have you seen the new beefed up heatpipes in the 20" iMac? I believe it can handle the heat from a 1.6GHz G5.
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Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:

I'm still holding out for either a headless eMac/iMac (same mobo and everything of the eMac, but no monitor)
That would be FREAKIN awesome...

Almost to good to ever be true...

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Jun 10, 2004, 09:01 PM
 
I'm guessing the all new, highly awaited... 1.5ghz imac g4!!!!!

Then we get to hear marketing talk about how crazy and impossible it'd be to stick a g5 in an imac and how it won't happen "for a long time to come."
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Originally posted by Link:
I'm guessing the all new, highly awaited... 1.5ghz imac g4!!!!!

Then we get to hear marketing talk about how crazy and impossible it'd be to stick a g5 in an imac and how it won't happen "for a long time to come."
If I bought the new G4 iMac when it comes out, the new G5 better takes a while. Otherwise, I'd be pissed...

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Originally posted by MacNStein:
Have you seen the new beefed up heatpipes in the 20" iMac? I believe it can handle the heat from a 1.6GHz G5.
I'm not so sure about that; consider all the airflow design work they had to do for even that machine. I doubt they can cut things quite that fine in the iMac's tiny case.

Maybe if they incorporated the liquid-cooling system, things might work a little better. But the fact that they only included it on their top-end G5 model says to me that they're still not entirely confident in the technology, and want to see how it plays out in a bigger machine first.

As I said before, my guess is that they'll have to redesign the case before they can put even one G5 in it. They could certainly do that -it wouldn't be the first total case redesign the iMac has gone through- but my guess is, that's what's going to have to happen.
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The original iMac went through a redesign into the slot loading iMac, which was fanless and had the shielding taken away from around the back of the monitor. They could do a similar update to the iMac now, keep the general iMac design of the screen on an arm over half a ball, but rejig the internals to make fitting a G5 possible.

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Originally posted by ajprice:
The original iMac went through a redesign into the slot loading iMac, which was fanless and had the shielding taken away from around the back of the monitor. They could do a similar update to the iMac now, keep the general iMac design of the screen on an arm over half a ball, but rejig the internals to make fitting a G5 possible.
What shielding you propose to be taken away from the existing iMac ?

The LCD iMac is a completely different design than the old iMac's.
As it looks right now, it would be easier to put a G5 in an eMac then into the existing iMac. Which, of course, won't be happening !

Me personally, I still hope for the coming back of the cube, the iCube !

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I'm not saying they should take shielding off the imac now, I meant that they took off the shielding from around the monitor on the old iMac as part of the redesign (the whole case was different). I meant they could keep the general look of the current iMac, and redesign the internals to house the G5. And yes, we all* live in hope of a new Cube!

* 'All' meaning most of us, there have to be a few people who don't want to see an Apple cube shaped computer ever again because it was sooo unexpandable and impractical compared to a Powermac!

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Originally posted by daimoni:
Heh. Tell that to all the ex-Apple people I know.

People work at Apple because it's Apple. They work there despite Steve Jobs.
Most folks there hardly ever interact with him. But almost anyone will sing his praises in comparison to the company's previous leadership.
     
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The most needed thing is a remote for airtunes, I think, and could come out. An ipod-mimic, but thinner, no HD, just a little flash mem for keeping track of playlists and songs on the network, and bluetooth or RF with a USB dongle to stick in airport express (no need for wifi, plus extra power and size).
     
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Originally posted by gomariners:
The most needed thing is a remote for airtunes, I think, and could come out. An ipod-mimic, but thinner, no HD, just a little flash mem for keeping track of playlists and songs on the network, and bluetooth or RF with a USB dongle to stick in airport express (no need for wifi, plus extra power and size).
I think a 802.11 remote control would be interesting.
     
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Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I think a 802.11 remote control would be interesting.
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Originally posted by itai195:
Most folks there hardly ever interact with him. But almost anyone will sing his praises in comparison to the company's previous leadership.
of course steve jobs is an asshole. but his charisma more than makes up for it.
     
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Originally posted by Superchicken:
And expensive
Not necessarily... $60 for a remote that is basically a network device... who knows.
     
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Originally posted by daimoni:
True enough.
But that doesn't mean he's not an asshole

But then every CEO I've had the displeasure of meeting is also an asshole, so he's not too far from the norm.
     
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Tjhey could just move to a Dual Processor iMac G4.Lord knows they havent done as much as they could have with the G4 and there's still room for improvement.

I'm just guessing...dual processor iMac G4s. Why wouldnt they want to tap into that potential before moving to the G5 ?
     
 
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