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JLL · Sep 16, 2002, 01:45 PM

Something tells me that 10.2.1 will be released today

Mr. Blur · Sep 16, 2002, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by JLL:
Something tells me that 10.2.1 will be released today

something more concrete than a posting on one of the usual suspect rumour sites? (not that i don't want 10.2.1!)

JLL · Sep 16, 2002, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Blur:

something more concrete than a posting on one of the usual suspect rumour sites? (not that i don't want 10.2.1!)

OK - Here are two numbers:

107036
107038

And what are those numbers?

Use your knowledge

macaddled · Sep 16, 2002, 02:05 PM

Whoop-see

Back in bowl! Back in bowl!

::maroma:: · Sep 16, 2002, 02:16 PM

What time of day does Apple usually release these sorts of things? Or is it whenever?

Zimphire · Sep 16, 2002, 02:16 PM

I will believe it when I see it. :-)

Of course you know, if it doesn't show up, you will be made fun of right?

KaosDG · Sep 16, 2002, 02:18 PM

well.. the docs were modified today (9/16)

Maybe they are just updating them as more fixes get rolled in?

Sorry for being the pessimist... It would be cool though if it came out today.

JLL · Sep 16, 2002, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by KaosDG:
well.. the docs were modified today (9/16)

Maybe they are just updating them as more fixes get rolled in?

Sorry for being the pessimist... It would be cool though if it came out today.

Well, they weren't there a few hours ago.

SMacTech · Sep 16, 2002, 02:31 PM

I think it will be on the 24th!

pilauh · Sep 16, 2002, 02:42 PM

can someone explain me the rush about it ?

(once you'll have DL and installed the thing, the only thing you'll have in mind will be 10.2.2)

jahpaul · Sep 16, 2002, 02:43 PM

look here

swiz · Sep 16, 2002, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by pilauh:
can someone explain me the rush about it ?

(once you'll have DL and installed the thing, the only thing you'll have in mind will be 10.2.2)

My thoughts exactly.

jahpaul · Sep 16, 2002, 02:51 PM

sorry here

Zimphire · Sep 16, 2002, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by pilauh:
can someone explain me the rush about it ?

(once you'll have DL and installed the thing, the only thing you'll have in mind will be 10.2.2)

I don't know, I would like the FTP function to work properly. I don't know about anyone else

lookmark · Sep 16, 2002, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by pilauh:
can someone explain me the rush about it ?

(once you'll have DL and installed the thing, the only thing you'll have in mind will be 10.2.2)

10.2.2.!

Man I just cannot wait for 10.2.2.

When is that coming out already? Anyone in the know?

Anyone?

Musti · Sep 16, 2002, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by jahpaul:
sorry here

System sounds fix...where's it? (sigh)

xi_hyperon · Sep 16, 2002, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by pilauh:
can someone explain me the rush about it ?

(once you'll have DL and installed the thing, the only thing you'll have in mind will be 10.2.2)

Further proof that the appetite of OS X users for a software update of any kind is insatiable. Eccentricity, boredom or a poor reflection on the OS? Or perhaps a little of all?

KidRed · Sep 16, 2002, 03:49 PM

Addresses a potential situation in which Print Center would unexpectedly quit when using St. Claire Software's Default Folder X.

What's this? Apple fixing OS issues with small 3rd party vendors? That's nice to see.

Zimphire · Sep 16, 2002, 04:41 PM

DrSpookles · Sep 16, 2002, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:

Further proof that the appetite of OS X users for a software update of any kind is insatiable. Eccentricity, boredom or a poor reflection on the OS? Or perhaps a little of all?

Yeah I'd have to say both. Being new to the Mac scene, I'm always interested in the new features I'll see, as well as anxious to have Apple fix some of the f'd up performance issues I see every day. Ugh!

That having been said, I didn't see anything about QE enhancements in 10.2.1, something thinksecret had reported was seeded recently.

Anyone have ideas on that??

JohnD · Sep 16, 2002, 05:24 PM

Well, I guess Mr. Piracy missed the boat big time this time

Enhancements Delivered with this update

Disc Burning Enhancements

* Improves compatibility of burned CDs with Microsoft Windows.

piracy · 09:48 AM

Originally posted by JohnD:
Well, I guess Mr. Piracy missed the boat big time this time

Nope. As I said, it wasn't a high priority, but it was a simple fix, so it made it in.

(Background: some code changes to the burning mechanism in the late 6C1xx tree broke the ability to burn ISO 9660 discs. As I said before, it wasn't important enough to push back release for. You'll be pleased to know that the minor fix made it in for 10.2.1. Directories [and subdirectories] on ISO 9660 discs now work properly on Windows.)

JohnD · Sep 16, 2002, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by piracy:

Nope. It wasn't a high priority, but it made it in. GM is looking to be 6D52.

Shoot, you found a way out..

Just wanted to post this,

walrusjb · Sep 16, 2002, 05:40 PM

Well, I guess Mr. Piracy missed the boat big time this time

You should be blessed with his patience for the half-assed misinformation around here.

piracy · 05:52 PM

Originally posted by JohnD:
Shoot, you found a way out..

No, I didn't find a way out. The code change was simple, and it made it in. What more do you want? I remember what I said, and at the time I posted that, it was true.

brainchild2b · Sep 16, 2002, 05:45 PM

those ****ing *******s, fix the ****ing FTP, it may not be high on the list but damnit stop shipping **** broken, and then when the update comes out not even FIX it.

JLL · Sep 16, 2002, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
those ****ing *******s, fix the ****ing FTP, it may not be high on the list but damnit stop shipping **** broken, and then when the update comes out not even FIX it.

According to Ken Bereskin FTP in the Finder is supposed to be read only.

JohnD · Sep 16, 2002, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by piracy:

No, I didn't find a way out. The code change was simple, and it made it in. What more do you want? I remember what I said, and at the time I posted that, it was true.

Hey, just teasing here.
Be happy I didn't ask about the debug code......

I am one of the people who would like to see the Finder CD-R thing fixed because it makes thing easy but Toast did the job also.
The FTP bug is of non interest to me because we didn't have it before so I don't understand why people are making such a big thing out of it now.
There are other ways to get to the same results.

piracy · Sep 16, 2002, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by JohnD:

Hey, just teasing here.
Be happy I didn't ask about the debug code......

Debug code!@!#!@

<insert piracy dying here>

Anyway, I'm glad the ISO 9660 issue was fixed. A lot of people will be happy. Actually, more granularity for selecting formats for CD-R/RW in the Finder will make a comeback someday too...for now, people I'm sure will be happy that hybrid discs work as they should.

The Finder FTP feature is just like SMB support in its early days. Some people would love to have non-anonymous FTP volumes mounted read/write right in the Finder; someday it'll get there. For now, it's intended for simple, read-only, anonymous use. For that, it works (almost) perfectly.

brainchild2b · Sep 16, 2002, 06:17 PM

that's a crock of crap. If it was intended for that then it shouldn't prompt me for my password! What is apple doing with all my ftp passwords? sending them on to their site stealing room? In some of the earlier betas ftp worked fine to upload/download, so this functionality is mean to be included. Not to meantion if you ftp, and you click on icons they disappear. Oh and some people get kernel panics? Is that how it's supposed to be?

piracy · Sep 16, 2002, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
that's a crock of crap. If it was intended for that then it shouldn't prompt me for my password! What is apple doing with all my ftp passwords? sending them on to their site stealing room? In some of the earlier betas ftp worked fine to upload/download, so this functionality is mean to be included. Not to meantion if you ftp, and you click on icons they disappear. Oh and some people get kernel panics? Is that how it's supposed to be?

The feature is immature right now. Remember the initial SMB functionality? You'd get a GUARANTEED kernel panic if you mounted more than one SMB volume! And that was included in the shipping product! The FTP feature right now is IMMATURE. Yes, it is eventually meant to handle read/write. Yes, it lets you connect to password protected sites (incidentally, that's more a function of the underlying url handling and internet services than it is of Finder FTP). But not everything works right now. If it doesn't work for you in its current form, don't use it. Use another FTP client. Give feedback that you want it to work. I don't know what more I can say. It's just that everyone was acting like this was #1 on the list to be fixed in 10.2.1, and it's not on anyone's list, at all. Yes, it will eventually get handled. But if it's this important to you, GIVE FEEDBACK:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

That (or via ADC or Customer Seeding) is the ONLY WAY your concerns will be seen, and potentially addressed.

Xestrel · Sep 16, 2002, 06:33 PM

So just how is this _supposed_ to work (in theory... assuming it was working or even partially working)? should I be able to "connect to server" using a url like ftp://myserver.com and have it pop up a little mounted server onto the desktop? Do I have to include a username/password in the url, or is it also _supposed_ to pop open a little window prompting for uname/pswd?

-xest

chris_h · Sep 16, 2002, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by piracy:

The FTP feature right now is IMMATURE. Yes, it is eventually meant to handle

I know you're steve job's male secretary or whatever and have all this inside information, but I have to disagree with this.

What you're saying would be fine if this were some unadvertised feature. But it isn't. It is 1/150th of the "new features" that we "paid less than a dollar apiece for."

Apple shouldn't wait for people to complain that an advertised feature is implemented half-assed at best and causes finder crashes for EVERYBODY WHO TRIES TO USE STANDARD FTP SERVERS.

And personally, I don't see how this could take all that much effort, just put a GUI on the fantastic included command line ftp client.

Apple should fix this without needing tons of people bitching at them... what're they, trying to be microsoft?

Not since windows95 have I seen,in an OS, an advertised and obvious GUI feature (remember the finder prompts you for a U/P) that causes crashes 100% of the time for everybody.

Jesus Christ on a corndog.

Brass · Sep 16, 2002, 06:59 PM

Software Update? You've got to be kidding! They even managed to break Software Update in 10.2 - no longer works from behind the firewall here!

(Along with teh rest of the Apple software that doesn't work through a firewall. Why don't they learn from their mistakes like everyone else?)

JLL · Sep 16, 2002, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by chris_h:
�that causes crashed 100% of the time for everybody.

Speak for yourself, bud!

::maroma:: · Sep 16, 2002, 07:01 PM

[homer] Mmmmmmm...corndog... [/homer]

sideus · Sep 16, 2002, 07:03 PM

The Knowledge Base document has been pulled. I love this from www.macosrumors.com

Recon from several sources suggests that Mac OS X Update 10.2.1 will be released both as a Software Update listing and as a standalone installer download in a matter of hours.

In other words, mosr saw the knowledgebase article posted on www.macsurfer.com and that became their "Recon".

::maroma:: · Sep 16, 2002, 07:11 PM

And MOSR's post was a couple hours ago. Time will tell.

CheesePuff · Sep 16, 2002, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by chris_h:

I know you're steve job's male secretary or whatever and have all this inside information, but I have to disagree with this.

He is?

chris_h · Sep 16, 2002, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by JLL:

Speak for yourself, bud!

take a screenshot of yourself connected to a regular ftp site in the finder. (not an anonymous ftp, one that requires a login/password).

well, go on...

Developer · Sep 16, 2002, 07:26 PM

Does it accelerate the release if I press "Check Now" every 5 minutes, or can I just go to bed now?

TheTraveller · Sep 16, 2002, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by sideus:

In other words, mosr saw the knowledgebase article posted on www.macsurfer.com and that became their "Recon".

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Yeah MOSR becomes more and more worthless with every passing "update." They suck the chrome off a bumper.

xi_hyperon · Sep 16, 2002, 07:45 PM

You know guys, the simple fact that MOSR has posted this "rumor" dictates that Steve will delay the update by a couple of days, just for spite.

Adam Betts · Sep 16, 2002, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Developer:
Does it accelerate the release if I press "Check Now" every 5 minutes, or can I just go to bed now?

Click, Click, Click, Click.. Click.. Click.... Cliccck..... Clii-icck.. Clii.. Zzzzzzzzz

MacGorilla · Sep 16, 2002, 08:00 PM

Still waiting.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

piracy · Sep 16, 2002, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by chris_h:
What you're saying would be fine if this were some unadvertised feature. But it isn't. It is 1/150th of the "new features" that we "paid less than a dollar apiece for."

Apple shouldn't wait for people to complain that an advertised feature is implemented half-assed at best and causes finder crashes for EVERYBODY WHO TRIES TO USE STANDARD FTP SERVERS.

Chris: once again: SMB was an advertized feature of 10.1, and it caused a GUARANTEED kernel panic for doing something as simple as mounting two SMB volumes. Not just sometimes, or under some circumstances, but GUARANTEED. Note that I'm not using one shoddy implementation of a feature to justify another, but for many, what SMB support there was in 10.1 was welcome. Just as for many, the FTP support in 10.2 is welcome. It works PERFECTLY FINE for anonymous FTP servers. (And as a side note, every site requiring a username/password that I've connected to, which includes various FTP servers on RedHat, Solaris, and AIX work fine, albeit read-only. It also has problems if something isn't group-readable. But, many people find this feature useful, and it works for many applications.)

Finder FTP should be improved. And I agree, implicit in most people's idea of FTP support is the ability to connect to damn near any site, anonymous or not, and be able to write to it if your permissions allow.

However, that is currently not the case.

Finder FTP is what it is right now. It's useful in that form for MANY PEOPLE. (Yes, believe it, it is.) So either use another FTP client, or give feedback. I'm not sure what else to tell you.

piracy · Sep 16, 2002, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by chris_h:

take a screenshot of yourself connected to a regular ftp site in the finder. (not an anonymous ftp, one that requires a login/password).

well, go on...

I, and others, connect to username/password sites every day without trouble (though they are read-only). Try wu-2.6.1-20 on RedHat 7.x as an example.

snerdini · Sep 16, 2002, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by piracy:

Chris: once again: SMB was an advertized feature of 10.1, and it caused a GUARANTEED kernel panic for doing something as simple as mounting two SMB volumes. Not just sometimes, or under some circumstances, but GUARANTEED. Note that I'm not using one shoddy implementation of a feature to justify another, but for many, what SMB support there was in 10.1 was welcome. Just as for many, the FTP support in 10.2 is welcome. It works PERFECTLY FINE for anonymous FTP servers. (And as a side note, every site requiring a username/password that I've connected to, which includes various FTP servers on RedHat, Solaris, and AIX work fine, albeit read-only. It also has problems if something isn't group-readable. But, many people find this feature useful, and it works for many applications.)

Finder FTP should be improved. And I agree, implicit in most people's idea of FTP support is the ability to connect to damn near any site, anonymous or not, and be able to write to it if your permissions allow.

However, that is currently not the case.

Finder FTP is what it is right now. It's useful in that form for MANY PEOPLE. (Yes, believe it, it is.) So either use another FTP client, or give feedback. I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Piracy, you seem to be one of the few people in these forums who actually approach a situation with a level head, and are fair both to the user and Apple (not to mention you seem to know what you're talking about

).

Props.

KidRed · Sep 16, 2002, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by chris_h:

take a screenshot of yourself connected to a regular ftp site in the finder. (not an anonymous ftp, one that requires a login/password).

well, go on...

Not sure what all the fuss about is with finderftp, maybe if people knew how to do it....

Developer · Sep 16, 2002, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by KidRed:

Not sure what all the fuss about is with finderftp, maybe if people knew how to do it....

If people can't figure out how to do it there might be a problem with the UI. Anyway, I can get that far too, but do you notice the striked through pencil? How can you move files onto an FTP server?