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Jun 10, 2012, 12:07 AM
 
I'm just wondering if there are any Trombone Shorty fans here?

To me he might be the most exciting and innovative thing in music today. For those that have never heard of him, check this out:

Trombone Shorty - Hurricane season en live dans L'heure du Jazz sur RTL - YouTube

(no, it's not a jazz clip)


He plays the trumpet, trombone, and sings quite well too... His music is always very funky!
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 01:13 AM
 
If this isn't a Jazz clip why is it on the Jazz Hour?

And why does it sound jazzy?
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 01:21 AM
 
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If this isn't a Jazz clip why is it on the Jazz Hour?

And why does it sound jazzy?

Because he plays a trombone and trumpet? The goofiest of things get classified as jazz, I wouldn't worry about the labels. Does that honestly sound jazzy to you in any way? If so, what is jazz to you? I mean, the spread between Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong to this is pretty massive, isn't it?
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 01:39 AM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
If so, what is jazz to you?
The kind of music they play on shows named "The Jazz Hour".
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 01:47 AM
 
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The kind of music they play on shows named "The Jazz Hour".

Call it what you want, it doesn't matter to me, but his reach goes well beyond the jazz world.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 03:57 AM
 
I heard him play as part of the band on Jeff Beck's Rock and Roll Party which was a tribute to Les Paul. He was amazing!
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Jun 10, 2012, 04:03 AM
 
Originally Posted by davidflas View Post
I heard him play as part of the band on Jeff Beck's Rock and Roll Party which was a tribute to Les Paul. He was amazing!

Awesome! Did they do any Sly tunes?
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 04:06 AM
 
Jazz-Funk is *definitely* a variety of jazz, as is Jazz-Rock.

The overcompression really ****s up my ears, though. I had to turn it off. Which is sad, because Trombone Shorty kicks serious ass.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 04:19 AM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Jazz-Funk is *definitely* a variety of jazz, as is Jazz-Rock.

These labels often do more to confuse people than they clarify, I think. When Trombone Shorty covers James Brown tunes is he temporarily Soul and not Jazz? If not, what if he were to put out a James Brown tribute album? If this is jazz-funk, how does it resemble a 70s Herbie album? If it is Jazz-rock how does it resemble Mahavishnu or late Miles? Doesn't this music have some Ska elements too?

After a certain point it makes more sense to just call music music rather than trying to put everything into a little box.
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Jun 10, 2012, 04:22 AM
 
Spheric: I'm not surprised that you're into Trombone Shorty given what you've shared of your musical tastes... Have you ever heard him live?

To me the problem with going to hear bands like this, and I'm going to sound very old when I say this, is that the concerts are almost too loud for me to hear any sort of subtlety, and I like hearing nuances.

I'm old and crotchety like that.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 04:37 AM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Awesome! Did they do any Sly tunes?
Here's the set list from that show. Trombone Shorty is especially amazing on Peter Gunn. The sound quality of the recording is not very good however, which is a bit disappointing.

A couple of clips:

http://youtu.be/W4mv8z8HyTE Peter Gunn

http://youtu.be/IjdkjGwGJQc Walking in the Sand <-- No Trombone Shorty on this one, but one of my faves from the show.

CD Track listing

"Double Talking Baby" (Feat. Darrel Higham) – 2:08
"Cruisin'" (Feat. Darrel Higham) 2:13"
"The Train It Kept A Rollin'" (Feat. Darrel Higham) 2:36
"Cry Me A River" (Feat. Imelda May and Jason Rebello) 2:46
"How High The Moon" (Feat. Imelda May) 2:10
"Sitting On Top Of The World" (Feat. Imelda May) 2:23
"Bye Bye Blues" (Feat. Imelda May) 2:12
"The World Is Waiting For The Sunrise" (Feat. Imelda May) 2:21
"Vaya Con Dios" (Feat. Imelda May) 2:57
"Mockin' Bird Hill" (Feat. Imelda May) 2:23
"I'm A Fool To Care" (Feat. Imelda May) 2:59
"Tiger Rag" (Feat. Imelda May) 2:22
"Peter Gunn" (Feat. Jason Rebello and Trombone Shorty) 4:49
"Rocking Is Our Business" (Feat. Darrel Highham, Jason Rebello and Trombone Shorty) 3:38
"Apache" 3:07
"Sleep Walk" 2:50
"New Orleans" (Feat. Gary U.S. Bonds and Jason Rebello) 4:34
"Walking In The Sand" 4:39
"Please Mr. Jailor" (Feat. Imelda May) 4:54
"Twenty Flight Rock" (Feat. Brian Setzer) 3:44

DVD Track listing

"Baby Let’s Play House" (Feat. Darrel Higham) –
"Double Talking Baby" (Feat. Darrel Higham) – 2:08
"Cruisin'" (Feat. Darrel Higham) 2:13"
"The Train It Kept A Rollin'" (Feat. Darrel Higham)
"Poor Boy" (Feat. Imelda May)
"Cry Me A River" (Feat. Imelda May and Jason Rebello)
"My Baby Left Me" (Feat. Imelda May)
"How High The Moon" (Feat. Imelda May)
"Sitting On Top Of The World" (Feat. Imelda May)
"Bye Bye Blues" (Feat. Imelda May)
"The World Is Waiting For The Sunrise" (Feat. Imelda May)
"Vaya Con Dios" (Feat. Imelda May)
"Mockin' Bird Hill" (Feat. Imelda May)
"I'm A Fool To Care" (Feat. Imelda May)
"Tiger Rag" (Feat. Imelda May)
"Peter Gunn" (Feat. Jason Rebello and Trombone Shorty)
"Rocking Is Our Business" (Feat. Darrel Highham, Jason Rebello And Trombone Shorty)
"Apache"
"Sleep Walk"
"New Orleans" (Feat. Gary U.S. Bonds and Jason Rebello)
"Walking In The Sand"
"Please Mr. Jailor" (Feat. Imelda May)
"Casting My Spell on You" (Feat. Imelda May and Darrel Higham)
"Twenty Flight Rock" (Feat. Brian Setzer)
"The Girl Can't Help It" (Feat. Darrel Highham and Jason Rebello)
"Rock Around the Clock" (Feat. Darrel Highham)
"Shake Rattle and Roll" (Feat. Darrel Highham, Brian Setzer, Jason Rebello and Trombone Shorty)
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Jun 10, 2012, 05:07 AM
 
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it doesn't matter to me
I don't believe you.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 05:24 AM
 
Load of fuss about nothing In my opinion. There is far better out there. He plays on a BAC trombone, have you heard of them besson3c?
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Jun 10, 2012, 07:49 AM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
These labels often do more to confuse people than they clarify, I think. When Trombone Shorty covers James Brown tunes is he temporarily Soul and not Jazz? If not, what if he were to put out a James Brown tribute album? If this is jazz-funk, how does it resemble a 70s Herbie album? If it is Jazz-rock how does it resemble Mahavishnu or late Miles? Doesn't this music have some Ska elements too?

After a certain point it makes more sense to just call music music rather than trying to put everything into a little box.
Jazz has LONG since become a kind of catch-all for anything where somebody breaks into an altered scale at some point.

Also, you may note that I threw out THREE categories, rather than one little box.

And this stuff is closer to the Headhunters stuff than to Stomu Yamashita, STUFF, Charlie Antolini, Weather Report, Passport, or Volker Kriegel, but if you've heard John McLaughlin with Dennis Chambers, you know that great rock drumming won't necessarily make it less "jazz".
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 07:52 AM
 
Originally Posted by richwig83 View Post
Load of fuss about nothing In my opinion. There is far better out there. He plays on a BAC trombone, have you heard of them besson3c?
The point here is that he's funky as hell, and he fills the clubs and has people dancing because of it. Technically, there's always gonna be somebody better. But this hits home with the funk/dance audience as well, which is a big part of its appeal.

Man...back when Maceo was still on the road with PeeWee and Fred Wesley, they ****in' killed the sold-out clubs here in Hamburg. Ahh...good—no, sensational times.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 08:18 AM
 
Before Spheric said "funk" I was thinking it sounded funk-ish. Fun, kind of groovy. Liked it.

However, round about 3:00 when two high notes just start alternating repetitively for an entire minute, that's when I said, oh yeah, jazz, and shut it off. I mean, it looked like he was playing his heart out, it was probably hard to do, but to me it just sounded like a vuvuzela.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 11:05 AM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Before Spheric said "funk" I was thinking it sounded funk-ish. Fun, kind of groovy. Liked it.

However, round about 3:00 when two high notes just start alternating repetitively for an entire minute, that's when I said, oh yeah, jazz, and shut it off. I mean, it looked like he was playing his heart out, it was probably hard to do, but to me it just sounded like a vuvuzela.
Those weren't high notes, but what he was doing was entertainment shtick called circular breathing where he played those 4 choruses of that little pattern in one breath. I don't care for that either, he doesn't do that on his recording, but I guess he figures his audiences like that. Hard to say if they were excited or entertained by it.

Maceo Parker did this king of thing too, it's not really a jazz thing.
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Jun 10, 2012, 11:12 AM
 
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Load of fuss about nothing In my opinion. There is far better out there. He plays on a BAC trombone, have you heard of them besson3c?
Not familiar with trombone gear, but his trumpet appears to be Monettte.

Don't know how anybody can say that he's not a big deal. Not your cup of tea? Sure, but he's still a monster. Even if you are a jazz puritan, many of his songs still include some compelling, albeit not terribly melodic, playing. I honestly think that he sounds better than wynton in that YouTube cutting session, which I'd argue is not a big deal since I'm not a big wynton fan, but few people would consider him a complete zero, as you seem to be implying Shorty is?
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 11:37 AM
 
No implying hes a nothing, he can play thats for sure.... but id rather listen to something else.

Take this for example... all three solos blow trombone shorty out of the water, maybe its not quite as 'accessible' as TS, but IMHO has much more going for it.

roy hargrove quintet - strasbourg saint denis - YouTube
(on of my favorite tracks at the moment)
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Jun 10, 2012, 02:50 PM
 
Originally Posted by richwig83 View Post
No implying hes a nothing, he can play thats for sure.... but id rather listen to something else.

Take this for example... all three solos blow trombone shorty out of the water, maybe its not quite as 'accessible' as TS, but IMHO has much more going for it.

roy hargrove quintet - strasbourg saint denis - YouTube
(on of my favorite tracks at the moment)

I love Roy Hargrove, he is a bad ass. Thanks for sharing this, I love this too...

Let me qualify what I said though... When I said that TS is the most "exciting thing in music", I didn't mean that he is the most profoundly deep soloist, or even my go to listening source as a fellow jazz musician. What I meant was that he has that power to influence music as a whole a little more because he has broken that barrier of being more than just exciting to jazz musicians. His musical reach is bigger.

I've always thought that Roy Hargrove's RH Factor stuff could do the same if he kept at it (maybe it did for a time), particularly his first album Hard Groove, but I guess that band ran its course? I mean, he got the rapper Common to play on this album, he obviously had his eyes set on going beyond the jazz world (not that this makes the music inherently better, but...)

Other than the RH Factor, I'd say Esparanza Spaudling (who I also really like) is in the same sort of class as TS, maybe Medeski, Martin, and Wood, perhaps Norah Jones and Diana Krall (although what they do is more retro to me), and Quincy Jones has always been in this class.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 05:02 PM
 
Spheric: here's a similar, but better quality recording Trombone Shorty - Hurricane Season (Live on KEXP) - YouTube
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 10:26 PM
 
He also does stuff that isn't jazzy or funky, but sort of alternative rocky I guess...

Trombone Shorty - Do To Me - YouTube


Again, this is where those labels fail. I think you'd be hard pressed to call this jazz, right? There are some jazz like harmonic progressions though.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 10:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
He also does stuff that isn't jazzy or funky, but sort of alternative rocky I guess...

Trombone Shorty - Do To Me - YouTube


Again, this is where those labels fail. I think you'd be hard pressed to call this jazz, right? There are some jazz like harmonic progressions though.
On one hand I want to reward your desire for thoughtful discussion, on the other, I want to troll the living shit out of you.

I listened to 45 seconds. I'd say the opening is jazzy, but once the song starts it isn't.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 11:10 PM
 
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On one hand I want to reward your desire for thoughtful discussion, on the other, I want to troll the living porn out of you.

I listened to 45 seconds. I'd say the opening is jazzy, but once the song starts it isn't.

If I upset you at some point I apologize.
     
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Jun 10, 2012, 11:20 PM
 
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If I upset you at some point I apologize.
Upset me? Geez no.

You're throwing up a giant red button which is labeled "whatever you do, for the love of all that is holy, please, please, PLEASE, don't press this button!!!"

So you've really made me want to press it now.
     
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Upset me? Geez no.

You're throwing up a giant red button which is labeled "whatever you do, for the love of all that is holy, please, please, PLEASE, don't press this button!!!"

So you've really made me want to press it now.

I see. Well, I figure that if there are buttons to press on the internet they will be pressed no matter how well they are advertised, so I just let the chips fall where they will.

I'm sometimes surprised that people don't find threads collapsing at the seams because of the usual internet bickering completely boring and predictable though, enough to aim to prevent this.

Would the Abe thread about Anna Benson and his other legendary threads have occurred if people started talking about Jesus or sharing their political rants or internet baggage with some other member?
     
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Spheric: I'm not surprised that you're into Trombone Shorty given what you've shared of your musical tastes... Have you ever heard him live?

To me the problem with going to hear bands like this, and I'm going to sound very old when I say this, is that the concerts are almost too loud for me to hear any sort of subtlety, and I like hearing nuances.
different target and concept.

This stuff works because it's at club volume. It needs to be danceable. That's why people outside the jazz scene even give a **** - people who wouldn't be caught dead at a jazz trio concert, no matter how groovy they might be. Get 'em dancing, give 'em a hell of a show.
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
different target and concept.

This stuff works because it's at club volume. It needs to be danceable. That's why people outside the jazz scene even give a **** - people who wouldn't be caught dead at a jazz trio concert, no matter how groovy they might be. Get 'em dancing, give 'em a hell of a show.

I don't disagree!

It's kind of a shame that more people don't appreciate a sense of intimacy in music though, particularly acoustic music, no matter what the style.
     
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Jun 11, 2012, 06:49 AM
 
I see what you're saying, but honestly, wishing that more people shared your taste is a rather pointless complaint.

With the obvious exception of wishing to make a living off what you happen to enjoy most, yourself. It can be rather helpful to have a large number of people share your taste, and, you know, show up and pay the cover charge.

(Although there, I've found that enjoying *listening* to certain music, and enjoying *making* it are two quite different pairs of shoes.)
     
   
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