[outthere]

hi guys,
rookie here. i'm going to order a macbook for my sister sometime in November. the question is: can i technically use the cds that come with it to install leopard into my macbook pro? or do i have to buy it?
thanks a lot

[Cold Warrior]

Lately, the Intel builds of 10.4 that come with new Macs are locked to that specific model, e.g., MacBook-only; iMac-only. I don't think anyone here knows yet how Apple will handle it with Leopard.

[peeb]

I imagine they will stick with the system them use now, model specific install cds. Also, pirating OSX is bad Karma, and will likely lead to stupid OS activation crap if it happens too much.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

Lately, the Intel builds of 10.4 that come with new Macs are locked to that specific model, e.g., MacBook-only; iMac-only. I don't think anyone here knows yet how Apple will handle it with Leopard.

It's been that way since long before the Intel switch.

[mduell]

Can it be done? Maybe.

Is it legal? No. You've licensed one copy for one machine.

[0157988944]

I doubt they'll change their model. Its the closest thing to software registering, and I'm glad they do it instead of 15,000 character codes.

[outthere]

Originally Posted by mduell 

Can it be done? Maybe.

so there's hope, eh?

Originally Posted by mduell 

Is it legal? No. You've licensed one copy for one machine.

anyway, i'll try and see if it works, otherwise, i'm buying it, i think i already fall in love with leopard

[OreoCookie]

In order to run it legally, you need to buy Leopard, yes.

[peeb]

Household licenses are very reasonably priced.

[msuper69]

Originally Posted by peeb 

Household licenses are very reasonably priced.

Family Pack of Leopard will be $199 - 5 installs but limited to those actually residing in the residence. Not a bad deal at all at $39.80/copy.

[DKeithA]

Yes, if you want to run Leopard then you either need to buy it or buy a new Mac when it comes pre-installed. It's very simple. Don't pirate software.

[cgc]

I remember buying Tiger with Educational (student) price of $69 from Apple. Can't beat that.

[0157988944]

Why is the "student" price only for college students? What about high school or even middle school? A friend of mine is in his senior year at high school, and yet student discounts don't apply...

[chris v]

The install disks that ship with machines are machine-specific, and won't install on other hardware. You'll need the retail version.

[Hal Itosis]

Originally Posted by msuper69 

Family Pack of Leopard will be $199 - 5 installs but
limited to those actually residing in the residence.
Not a bad deal at all at $39.80/copy.

How about across the street?

How about 5 houses up the block?

Does it really matter as long as the last names match?

How are they gonna enforce that? [lock a family pack to one address?]

Is that for real?

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by adamfishercox 

Why is the "student" price only for college students? What about high school or even middle school? A friend of mine is in his senior year at high school, and yet student discounts don't apply...

There was a high school discount until 2005, why it went away I have no clue. Luckily, my mom's a teacher, so I still get a discount

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Hal Itosis 

How about across the street?

How about 5 houses up the block?

Does it really matter as long as the last names match?

How are they gonna enforce that? [lock a family pack to one address?]

Is that for real?

They don't even enforce the one-computer restriction for the normal retail version. They're just trusting you to be honest. The only difference between the two versions (at least in the current incarnation) is the license included with the disk.

[outthere]

yup,
i think the matter here is honesty, and loyalty (as some might call it)
i wonder if they'd offer any discount for stu. though. that 'd be nice.

[Mike.Bowden]

Originally Posted by chris v 

The install disks that ship with machines are machine-specific, and won't install on other hardware. You'll need the retail version.

I wouldn't be 100% sure of that. I had some problems out of my Intel Mac Pro and Apple Care wanted to do an archive and reinstall, well the CD's that came with my Mac Pro weren't working, must have gotten a scratch or something, but it would always lock up at a specific section. So he asked if I had CD's for other Mac computers in the house that were Intel also. Which I have a MacBook and an iMac that are Intel also, so he said to just use one of those CD's and it worked perfectly.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by outthere 

i wonder if they'd offer any discount for stu. though. that 'd be nice.

Yes, they do. There is the general student's discount (teachers and researchers are also eligible), but your university might have an additional agreement with Apple (like mine). We are allowed to distribute our own copies essentially (i. e. copy the DVDs), as long as we pay per used copy (which we do).

[goMac]

Originally Posted by adamfishercox 

Why is the "student" price only for college students? What about high school or even middle school? A friend of mine is in his senior year at high school, and yet student discounts don't apply...

Because High School students aren't spending all their money on their education.

[outthere]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

Yes, they do. There is the general student's discount (teachers and researchers are also eligible), but your university might have an additional agreement with Apple (like mine). We are allowed to distribute our own copies essentially (i. e. copy the DVDs), as long as we pay per used copy (which we do).

sweet, i'll check with my school and see. the library does have a session for mac users, so i think that'd not be a problem.

[chris v]

Originally Posted by Mike.Bowden 

I wouldn't be 100% sure of that. I had some problems out of my Intel Mac Pro and Apple Care wanted to do an archive and reinstall, well the CD's that came with my Mac Pro weren't working, must have gotten a scratch or something, but it would always lock up at a specific section. So he asked if I had CD's for other Mac computers in the house that were Intel also. Which I have a MacBook and an iMac that are Intel also, so he said to just use one of those CD's and it worked perfectly.

Interesting. I've seen so many cases of people trying to use a Software install/restore that shipped with one machine on another model, without success. Maybe they haven't implemented the restrictions with the Intel version, for some reason. In any case, if I were going to pirate a copy from one machine to another, I would boot one in FW Target Disk Mode and clone the install. If.

[24klogos]

Originally Posted by chris v 

Interesting. I've seen so many cases of people trying to use a Software install/restore that shipped with one machine on another model, without success. Maybe they haven't implemented the restrictions with the Intel version, for some reason. In any case, if I were going to pirate a copy from one machine to another, I would boot one in FW Target Disk Mode and clone the install. If.

i agree

[0157988944]

I couldn't use install discs from a 1.83 Ghz Core 2 Duo iMac on the exact same iMac, but the 2 GHz version. Given that, I'm amazed that it worked from MacBook to iMac.

[GatorsFan]

I've been buying software since the 1980s and have never seen an OS specific to different configurations of the same platform. "Tiger," for example, is for the Mac platform, period. If there was ever a "Tiger" specific to laptops, or to desktops, or to the Mini, I never saw it. I'd walk into the store, or go online, and there was OS X "Tiger," period.

Note: I'm not one who shares software, especially Apple software. Call it honesty, karma, or just plain loyalty but I've always said "You want it? Buy it."

As to Apple's policy on the use of a "Family Pack" for all of their software sold with more than one (1) license, here's what their site says:

"* Family Pack Software License Agreement allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-labeled computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By "household" we mean a person or persons who share the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium, but shall also extend to student members who are primary residents of that household but residing at a separate on-campus location. This license does not extend to business or commercial users."

[analogika]

Originally Posted by GatorsFan 

I've been buying software since the 1980s and have never seen an OS specific to different configurations of the same platform. "Tiger," for example, is for the Mac platform, period. If there was ever a "Tiger" specific to laptops, or to desktops, or to the Mini, I never saw it. I'd walk into the store, or go online, and there was OS X "Tiger," period.

That's a store-bought Mac OS X upgrade. Of course that will run on every Mac capable of running Mac OS X - with the notable exception of ALL Intel Macs, which, however, don't require upgrades, since they all come with 10.4 on the Software Restore Disks out of the box.

The Install discs that come with machines have not been universally bootable since AT LEAST the days of System 8 and their horrifying bouquet of "System Enablers".

If one can be used to boot and install on a different type of Mac, that's a rare exception.

[Thinine]

If you're buying the machine in November it will almost certainly have Leopard installed. Even if it's a refurb from Apple it should have. But if you buy a used machine with Tiger, you will have to get Leopard.