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bhcs · Jul 17, 2002, 03:15 PM

Sheesh!! Everytime Steve Jobs makes an announcement there is such a batch of whining going on!! He gives you what you ask for and you complain. He asks for $100 either in a price hike or an upgrade and you start to whine. If he gave it all away for free you whine.

Whatever happened to MAC support?? Good grief!! They have to raise funds to stay alive and competitive. They raise funds by selling their product. Why should Apple be any different than any other business?? At least, unlike 99% of the major corporations today, they listen to you and try to give you exactly what you want at the best prices they can.

Stop sounding like cranky Windows users and look at the big picture. Do you want to continue using Macintosh computers?? Or do you want them to go belly up and leave you to become a cranky Windows user?? Think about it!!

Go Steve!! Keep listening and keep up the good work!!

Captain Obvious · Jul 17, 2002, 03:35 PM

They also could make a long term investment by making Jag a free upgrade as incentive to transfer over to X. Without that transfer everyone loses. Software makers wont have the market to create new titles for, Apple hardware sales lag as people do not have the chance to try out X and want new computers to use it on, and so on.

There is not as large a share of Mac users on X as in classic. Old G3 computers far out number Quicksilvers and TiBooks. All those people who are happy with 9 are not going to take a chance on X with an already aging computer for an additional $130.

This was a wasted opportunity for Apple to get more people over to X.
So shut up.

[ 07-17-2002, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: Captain Obvious ]

iCol · Jul 17, 2002, 03:36 PM

Apple is just trying to make some money, unfortunately they seem to be going about it a little wrong for their existing users.

HOWEVER, with the whole .Mac thing, do MS offer anything the same FOR FREE?

you even have to pay for Hotmail now.

I am sad that I will be losing my mac.com email address, but it really is not the end of the world.

Col

wingdo · Jul 17, 2002, 03:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by iCol:

you even have to pay for Hotmail now.
<hr /></blockquote>Why?

el lindo · Jul 17, 2002, 04:00 PM

Are you sure? I've never given them a dime...

M�lum · Jul 17, 2002, 04:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Captain Obvious:
They also could make a long term investment by making Jag a free upgrade as incentive to transfer over to X. Without that transfer everyone loses. Software makers wont have the market to create new titles for, Apple hardware sales lag as people do not have the chance to try out X and want new computers to use it on, and so on.

There is not as large a share of Mac users on X as in classic. Old G3 computers far out number Quicksilvers and TiBooks. All those people who are happy with 9 are not going to take a chance on X with an already aging computer for an additional $130.

This was a wasted opportunity for Apple to get more people over to X.
So shut up. <hr /></blockquote>Your theories belong in a folder which is on the far right side of the dock.

I'm boooored with those people that know it all and think Apple doesn't know what they are doing.

Like SJ said, the transistionof 9 to X is the fastest one in computer history because it's such a radical one. The more radical the difference with 9 become, the more people will be willing to pay the difference (and Apple will make money too)

beaker6672 · Jul 17, 2002, 04:10 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bhcs:
Sheesh!! Everytime Steve Jobs makes an announcement there is such a batch of whining going on!! He gives you what you ask for and you complain. He asks for $100 either in a price hike or an upgrade and you start to whine. If he gave it all away for free you whine.

Whatever happened to MAC support?? Good grief!! They have to raise funds to stay alive and competitive. They raise funds by selling their product. Why should Apple be any different than any other business?? At least, unlike 99% of the major corporations today, they listen to you and try to give you exactly what you want at the best prices they can.

Stop sounding like cranky Windows users and look at the big picture. Do you want to continue using Macintosh computers?? Or do you want them to go belly up and leave you to become a cranky Windows user?? Think about it!!

Go Steve!! Keep listening and keep up the good work!!<hr /></blockquote>With such a small base of users, Apple cannot afford to piss off anymore existing mac users....if a relatively small number leave the platform (small in windows terms), the mac could very well lose half of its user base. This already happened in the past when shitty hardware running shitty os7+ dropped apples market share from 15% to 5%. If jobs keeps this up....making people pay for what was essentially a beta os (10.0) and then repay for the real deal (10.2), they will succeed in pissing off a large number of users. Microsoft can afford that...apple cant.

beaker6672 · Jul 17, 2002, 04:11 PM

[ 07-17-2002, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: beaker6672 ]

mchladek · Jul 17, 2002, 04:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by el lindo:
Are you sure? I've never given them a dime...<hr /></blockquote>I don't think the subscription fee is kicking in till Sept. (??) You should have received an e-mail from M$ explaining the change in cost.

theolein · Jul 17, 2002, 04:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by iCol:
Apple is just trying to make some money, unfortunately they seem to be going about it a little wrong for their existing users.

HOWEVER, with the whole .Mac thing, do MS offer anything the same FOR FREE?

you even have to pay for Hotmail now.

I am sad that I will be losing my mac.com email address, but it really is not the end of the world.

Col<hr /></blockquote>Not that Hotmail is particularly good, but for the basic 2MB spam mail service you don't have to pay anything.

mchladek · Jul 17, 2002, 04:21 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by beaker6672:
With such a small base of users, Apple cannot afford to piss off anymore existing mac users....if a relatively small number leave the platform (small in windows terms), the mac could very well lose half of its user base. This already happened in the past when shitty hardware running shitty os7+ dropped apples market share from 15% to 5%. If jobs keeps this up....making people pay for what was essentially a beta os (10.0) and then repay for the real deal (10.2), they will succeed in pissing off a large number of users. Microsoft can afford that...apple cant.<hr /></blockquote>Whose fault was it that 10.0 was more like a beta--ours!!! People bitched and moaned, 'Give us X now!!! The future of Apple depends on the early release of X! Blah Blah Blah!' Apple, like usual, gave into consumer demand and look what happend ... people complained like hell.

Apple isn't ticking anyone off. The Mac Zealots are making themselves upset because they still think Apple has been the exact same company for the past 25 years and can't see that the world, the Internet, and Apple are all changing.

Like Steve said Jaguar includes over 150 major updates. $1/update isn't too much to ask. We already get four of the best digital hub apps in the world (iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, and iPhoto) and soon we'll be getting more for free. Look at XP. That was nearly a $100 upgrade. And what did that buy you? A little added stability, eye candy, and a tighter grip from Redmond.

theolein · Jul 17, 2002, 04:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mchladek:
Whose fault was it that 10.0 was more like a beta--ours!!! People bitched and moaned, 'Give us X now!!! The future of Apple depends on the early release of X! Blah Blah Blah!' Apple, like usual, gave into consumer demand and look what happend ... people complained like hell.

Apple isn't ticking anyone off. The Mac Zealots are making themselves upset because they still think Apple has been the exact same company for the past 25 years and can't see that the world, the Internet, and Apple are all changing.

Like Steve said Jaguar includes over 150 major updates. $1/update isn't too much to ask. We already get four of the best digital hub apps in the world (iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, and iPhoto) and soon we'll be getting more for free. Look at XP. That was nearly a $100 upgrade. And what did that buy you? A little added stability, eye candy, and a tighter grip from Redmond.<hr /></blockquote>Someone who believes some piece of marketing speak like "150 major updates so it's less than a dollar per update" deserves to be robbed of every last cent. And that in the same breath where you accuse others of being blind! If Steve said "You're my b�tch and I want your money" would you still be reporting that word for word here?

wingdo · Jul 17, 2002, 05:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by beaker6672:
This already happened in the past when shitty hardware running shitty os7+ dropped apples market share from 15% to 5%. <hr /></blockquote>Good lord man, get a life. Now people are bitching about both OS X and System 7? I guess we'll all have to go back to System 6.0.8. Now where's my Mac Classic?

driven · Jul 17, 2002, 05:21 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Captain Obvious:
They also could make a long term investment by making Jag a free upgrade as incentive to transfer over to X. Without that transfer everyone loses. Software makers wont have the market to create new titles for, Apple hardware sales lag as people do not have the chance to try out X and want new computers to use it on, and so on.

There is not as large a share of Mac users on X as in classic. Old G3 computers far out number Quicksilvers and TiBooks. All those people who are happy with 9 are not going to take a chance on X with an already aging computer for an additional $130.

This was a wasted opportunity for Apple to get more people over to X.
So shut up.

<hr /></blockquote>I'm going to avoid paying the whole $129 upgrade.
Instead of upgrading my current system, I'm going to e-bay it and then buy a new mac with Jag pre-installed!

(They won't get that $129 out of me!)

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Thunderbird · Jul 17, 2002, 05:47 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by driven:
I'm going to avoid paying the whole $129 upgrade.
Instead of upgrading my current system, I'm going to e-bay it and then buy a new mac with Jag pre-installed!

(They won't get that $129 out of me!)

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> [/QB]<hr /></blockquote>I would do that too, if only Apple would give me a compelling reason to upgrade. But, as it stands now, I perceive my 2 year old G4 500DP to be just about as fast as most of the current line up, with the possible exception of the 1Ghz DP. Meanwhile, PC's have nearly quadrupled in speed over the same time frame.

I hate griping, but Apple's woes are of their own doing. 4 years ago, they listened to their customers... They simplified the product line, gave us the iMac, and made us excited about the future of Apple! Now, they seem more interested in giving us the same crap in a different package. Anything exciting that may have been introduced in today's keynote has been completely overshadowed by the removal of our free e-mail.

ckohler · Jul 17, 2002, 06:01 PM

I predict that 6 months from now nobody here will care one bit that they had to pay $129 for Jaguar. They'll have long put these arguments behind them. So frankly, I don't see any reason to make a fuss about it now.

dillerX · Jul 17, 2002, 06:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ckohler:
I predict that 6 months from now nobody here will care one bit that they had to pay $129 for Jaguar. They'll have long put these arguments behind them. So frankly, I don't see any reason to make a fuss about it now.<hr /></blockquote>Ditto. Just got done ordering mine. $129 ain't gonna break me.

DNA man · Jul 17, 2002, 06:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by iCol:
Apple is just trying to make some money, unfortunately they seem to be going about it a little wrong for their existing users.

HOWEVER, with the whole .Mac thing, do MS offer anything the same FOR FREE?

you even have to pay for Hotmail now.

I am sad that I will be losing my mac.com email address, but it really is not the end of the world.

Col<hr /></blockquote>Err, I don't pay for my HOTMAIL account!

theolein · Jul 17, 2002, 06:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ckohler:
I predict that 6 months from now nobody here will care one bit that they had to pay $129 for Jaguar. They'll have long put these arguments behind them. So frankly, I don't see any reason to make a fuss about it now.<hr /></blockquote>I predict that 6 months from now I will finally have figured out how to get XFree86 working on my new Thinkpad A31, and will be wishing that I had just paid the money and gotten a Mac. But there will be compensations. Very good Java speed finally as compared to the Mac. JDK 1.4. As many JRE's as I want. A game or two. Cheaper software than on the Mac (JASC PSP specifically, I always liked this little critter.) Bigger software choice than on the Mac.

But I reckon I will still be pining for a Mac.

digimage · Jul 17, 2002, 06:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bhcs:
Sheesh!! Everytime Steve Jobs makes an announcement there is such a batch of whining going on!! He gives you what you ask for and you complain. He asks for $100 either in a price hike or an upgrade and you start to whine. If he gave it all away for free you whine. <hr /></blockquote>You tit. Everytime Apple does something to piss off it's users, we get posts like yours.

Go jump in steve's a$$.