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I called Apple about Mac OS X Public Beta... (Page 2)
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Is it seriously going to be obtained throught the Mac OS Software Update thing? Or was that just speculation?
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A joke, A joke - although I did hear that when OS X 1.0 is released, Steve Jobs will be given a morris minor traveller as a thank you present from the Board!
click here to see his gift: http://www.theknow.co.uk/mtcsite/
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Originally posted by penfold:
A joke, A joke - although I did hear that when OS X 1.0 is released, Steve Jobs will be given a morris minor traveller as a thank you gift from the Board!
click here to see his gift: http://www.theknow.co.uk/mtcsite/
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Penfold. Where did you get that information?. eNews says how to "order" it. English is not my native language, but order seems to me somehow opposed to download, in this case.
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Penfold, you might want to go back and edit that message to add a "just kidding" at the bottom, considering it's the last item on the first page...
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Warning! Humor below!
I heard Apple will be releasing the Beta on 45 floppies, as retribution for all the people who whined when the floppy was chopped from the Apple line.
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Warning: Humor below
I hear that Apple will be distributing the Beta on 45 floppies as retribution for all the people who whined about the loss of floppy drives from Apple's line up.
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read this at macfixit
Apple's eNews newsletter makes it clear: You'll have to order Mac OS X beta to get it Apple states: "Visit our Mac OS X site next week, on September 13. We'll have more information available on the Mac OS X Public Beta at that time, including details about how you can order it."
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Originally posted by in the flesh?:
read this at macfixit
Apple's eNews newsletter makes it clear: You'll have to order Mac OS X beta to get it Apple states: "Visit our Mac OS X site next week, on September 13. We'll have more information available on the Mac OS X Public Beta at that time, including details about how you can order it."
Fine. But I am actually going to the Expo. they would announce it at the Expo and not have any CDs to hand out would they????
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Are those of you who are sure it won't be available as a DL the same ones with a dial-up connection and no burner?
Cable Modem & Burner here! I can guarantee I'll be DL'ing it!
What are your thoughts on this quote from MOSR...
"According to several readers who report receiving notification directly from their local Apple Reps, Apple intends to offer a downloadable installer of Mac OS X Public Beta after the unveiling at Apple Expo Paris on the 13th. Apparently, the Public Beta will not require the traditional CD-boot installation necessary for all previous versions of OS X; the installation can be made on any empty disk or partition with at least 300MB of space.
Those without the benefit of broadband 'Net access (Cable, Satellite, T1+, DSL, etc) may, however, choose to order the inexpensive CD version, as the 'Net download may amount to as much as 400MB if all the extras and installable applications are included."
OK so it is from MOSR, But......
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in the Flesh, I believe there is more than one way to read this...
We�ll have more information available on the Mac OS X Public Beta at that time, including details about how you can order it:
Having details on how to order it, isn't the same as "thats the only way it will be available."
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Are those of you who are sure it won't be available as a DL the same ones with a dial-up connection and no burner?
No. I have a connection on campus. Very fast. Burner in the next room.
I'd be shocked if Apple made it a download. Maybe for ADC people but not for the public. I hope no one's pissed off when there isn't a download!
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As an ADC Member, I can tell you it won't be available as a download to us. I was told ADC members would get it on CD, along with a CD of "extra goodies" to enhance my experience and development for Mac OS X. (What ever that means!)
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As an ADC Member, I can tell you it won't be available as a download to us. I was told ADC members would
get it on CD, along with a CD of "extra goodies" to enhance my experience and development for Mac OS X.
(What ever that means!)
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ok..so ADCers get a CD with goodies, what about us poorass wannabe osx dev peeps?
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Even if Apple is selling it, isn't it inevitable a Hotline download will be available?
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Why 1394 won't be like "1394".
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There are already Hotline D/L's of DP4 available, I give it less than 6 hours after PB is actually recieved by the people that there will be plenty of copies floating around for download...
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Listen people--
Mac OS X PB is free software. FREE. If you pay for a CD, the money you are paying is for the CD, shipping, and whatever else it may include. And thus, Apple has no way to legally stop the availability of this free software on Hotline, Carracho, or IRC. That's just the way it is, unless Apple decides to be like M$ and charge 50 bucks for the beta (like they did with Windows 98). And even if THAT is the case, it will, in no way, stop me from downloading my copy, seeing that ordering from Apple won't, be... um... a "fast" or "quick" process, per se...
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Although its supposedly freeware, Apple wouldn't want anyone distributing it without permission...
They could always say 'no, we were charging 15$ for the software, and giving away the CD's and taking care of S&H ourselves...'
They're a bunch of control freaks...
I think even if it is marked as being freeware, they are still allowed to control its distribution...
Not that any of that will stop it being widely available...
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there is a big difference between "freeware," which os x beta is not btw, and "public domain," which os x also is not.
just because a piece of somtware is given out free does not mean that the "owner" of the product cannot retain rights to its distribution etc.
this beta release is a preview of a commercial product, and apple can (and should) control and distribute it as they see fit.
of course it'll be on hotline servers on wednesday...but that will be just as "illegal" as the copies of dp4 that are there...
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Mr. 100% Jimmy! What's up? I agree with you. But I think that the nature of the Public Beta is as follows:
--From my AI post--
The very standards that we are assuming OS X PB will comply to are that of Darwin and DP4. Thus, we are assuming that the installer will be the same. Why does it have to be separate partitions? Given the nature of the HFS+ filesystem, couldn't Apple figure out a way to create an installer that did not require a CD? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that it's feasable, given the nature of Apple's progress thus far. But it should not be a given that DP4's installer is the same (or at least similar) to the PB.
--End AI Post--
-Petey!
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DP4 did NOT require a separate partition.
If choose to, there is no technical reason they can't have an installer that can be downloaded and installed from the same disk, wither.
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The Public Beta will be this:
It will be a cd with a complete OS X filesystem on it. You will be able to either run it from CD or copy it to your HD, a la Linux PPC Live..
Read-only either way, I think.
It will only be 150 - 200 MB, as OPENSTEP for Mach was only that size installed.. I imagine it more as a demo, than a beta release..
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