[Saramin]

For some inexplicable reason every time I try to launch the Desktops and Screensaver tab of System Preferences it crashes and gives me a message saying it has unexpectantly quit. This only happens in this particular tab; all the others work flawlessly. What's more, I distinctly remember using said tab no less than three days ago. Apparently this is a new thing.

I'm running Panther 10.3.3 on a Rev C 12" PB less than a week old. Any thoughts as to what could be causing this?

[gorickey]

Have you repaired permissions?

[Saramin]

Originally posted by gorickey:
Have you repaired permissions?

Just did, and the problem persists. Any other ideas before I prepare the human sacrifice demanded by the OSX Gods?

[gorickey]

Delete the com.apple.desktop.plist...

[Saramin]

Originally posted by gorickey:
Delete the com.apple.desktop.plist...

Did; problem persists.

[gorickey]

Hmm, well you can try removing (don't trash, just move to Desktop for testing) the "Desktop Pictures" out of /Library and see if the prePane will load...

[gorickey]

Also, what does the crash.log report?

[Saramin]

Originally posted by gorickey:
Hmm, well you can try removing (don't trash, just move to Desktop for testing) the "Desktop Pictures" out of /Library and see if the prePane will load...

Again, still crashes. For what it's worth, I occasionally am able to access the different pictures and such for maybe 3 seconds before it quits on me again. Not sure if this matters.

Any other tips? It's kind of annoying since I got a pretty cool new image I want to align to my desktop.

[gorickey]

Have you added any pictures to the "Desktop Pictures" folder? Screensavers?

Also, just to make sure, you have restarted the machine, right?

Does it affect all users on the machine?

[Saramin]

Originally posted by gorickey:
Have you added any pictures to the "Desktop Pictures" folder? Screensavers?

Also, just to make sure, you have restarted the machine, right?

Does it affect all users on the machine?

I haven't added any pictures/screensavers, I rebooted the machine and I have no other accounts set up. It's at the default configuration (the opposite of root, whatever that is).

I take it this isn't a common problem. Very odd, that it should only affect this particular tab.

[gorickey]

Can you post the information from the SystemPreferences.crash.log please?

Thanks.

[Saramin]

Originally posted by gorickey:
Can you post the information from the SystemPreferences.crash.log please?

Thanks.

Finder didn't pick up any file by that name. Do you perchance mean the com.apple.systempreferences.plist file?

Thanks for all the help by the way. We'll nail it eventually.

[gorickey]

You can try searching just for "crash.log" in the Finder and see if it turns up...every app that crashes in OS X has an associated crash.log file that can sometimes help reveal whats happening...

[Saramin]

Originally posted by gorickey:
You can try searching just for "crash.log" in the Finder and see if it turns up...every app that crashes in OS X has an associated crash.log file that can sometimes help reveal whats happening...

Ah, gotcha. I found the file, but it's a bit too big to just post. I've uploaded it to my public iDisk folder here. Though how you can make sense of any of that is beyond me.

[Saramin]

Bah. Nuts to iDisk and nuts to iDisk not working. Here's the log. It's a doozy:

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Host Name: Tirinals-Computer.local
Date/Time: 2004-07-14 22:17:36 -0700
OS Version: 10.3.3 (Build 7G33)
Report Version: 2

Command: System Preferences
Path: /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System Preferences
Version: 2.2 (2.2)
PID: 459
Thread: 2

Exception: EXC_BREAKPOINT (0x0006)
Code[0]: 0x00000001
Code[1]: 0x90a5ce78


Thread 0:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90012668 syscall_thread_switch + 0x8
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a03180 +[NSThread sleepUntilDate:] + 0x98
2 ...desktopscreeneffect.desktop 0x0073dd1c 0x73c000 + 0x1d1c
3 ...desktopscreeneffect.desktop 0x0073e348 waitForDegger + 0x278
4 ....frameworks.preferencepanes 0x9418477c -[NSPrefTabsController tabView:willSelectTabViewItem:] + 0x54
5 com.apple.AppKit 0x92ec1d00 -[NSTabView selectTabViewItem:] + 0x1b4
6 ....frameworks.preferencepanes 0x94187c90 -[NSPrefTabsController selectTabWithIdentifier:] + 0xa4
7 ...ference.desktopscreeneffect 0x00725cc0 0x725000 + 0xcc0
8 com.apple.systempreferences 0x0000a0f0 0x1000 + 0x90f0
9 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a01e24 __NSFireDelayedPerform + 0x104
10 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901946d8 __CFRunLoopDoTimer + 0xf4
11 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90191a38 __CFRunLoopRun + 0x5c8
12 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90195f4c CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 0x148
13 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x927d648c RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 0xac
14 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x927dcbf4 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 0x17c
15 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x927feccc BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 0x60
16 com.apple.AppKit 0x92dd2a34 _DPSNextEvent + 0x180
17 com.apple.AppKit 0x92de93b0 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 0x74
18 com.apple.AppKit 0x92dfd718 -[NSApplication run] + 0x21c
19 com.apple.AppKit 0x92eb9b80 NSApplicationMain + 0x1d0
20 com.apple.systempreferences 0x0000acf0 0x1000 + 0x9cf0
21 com.apple.systempreferences 0x0000e668 0x1000 + 0xd668

Thread 1 Crashed:
0 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a5ce78 _NSRaiseError + 0xf8
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a5cd5c +[NSException raise:format:] + 0x2c
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x909fbc34 -[NSUnarchiver decodeValueOfObjCType:at:] + 0x40
3 ...desktopscreeneffect.desktop 0x00742a3c waitForDegger + 0x496c
4 com.apple.Foundation 0x909f3e10 _decodeObject_old + 0x120
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x909f45f8 _decodeValueOfObjCType + 0x2a0
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x909fbc44 -[NSUnarchiver decodeValueOfObjCType:at:] + 0x50
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a0674c -[NSArray initWithCoder:] + 0x94
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x909f3e10 _decodeObject_old + 0x120
9 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a53784 +[NSUnarchiver unarchiveObjectWithData:] + 0x48
10 ...desktopscreeneffect.desktop 0x007430e8 compareNamesWithoutExtensions + 0x67c
11 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a3a2c4 forkThreadForFunction + 0x6c
12 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900247e8 _pthread_body + 0x28

Thread 2 Crashed:
0 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a5ce78 _NSRaiseError + 0xf8
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a5cd5c +[NSException raise:format:] + 0x2c
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x909fbc34 -[NSUnarchiver decodeValueOfObjCType:at:] + 0x40
3 ...desktopscreeneffect.desktop 0x00742a3c waitForDegger + 0x496c
4 com.apple.Foundation 0x909f3e10 _decodeObject_old + 0x120
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x909f45f8 _decodeValueOfObjCType + 0x2a0
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x909fbc44 -[NSUnarchiver decodeValueOfObjCType:at:] + 0x50
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a0674c -[NSArray initWithCoder:] + 0x94
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x909f3e10 _decodeObject_old + 0x120
9 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a53784 +[NSUnarchiver unarchiveObjectWithData:] + 0x48
10 ...desktopscreeneffect.desktop 0x007430e8 compareNamesWithoutExtensions + 0x67c
11 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a3a2c4 forkThreadForFunction + 0x6c
12 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900247e8 _pthread_body + 0x28

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x90a5ce78 srr1: 0x0202f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
cr: 0x24000442 xer: 0x00000007 lr: 0x90a5ce50 ctr: 0x909f33d0
r0: 0x00000000 r1: 0xf008f9b0 r2: 0xa09f04bc r3: 0xa0a04e18
r4: 0x9083eb88 r5: 0x20000000 r6: 0xf008f690 r7: 0x00000007
r8: 0x00000007 r9: 0x001d3530 r10: 0x00001b1f r11: 0x24000442
r12: 0x909f33d0 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x0000001b
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00107b20
r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0x00000000
r24: 0x90b1c8a0 r25: 0xa0a066b8 r26: 0x001d89b0 r27: 0x001d6e20
r28: 0x001d6e34 r29: 0xa09f5014 r30: 0x0074735c r31: 0x90a5cd88

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**********

Host Name: Tirinals-Computer.local
Date/Time: 2004-07-14 22:17:36 -0700
OS Version: 10.3.3 (Build 7G33)
Report Version: 2

Command: System Preferences
Path: /Applications/System Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System Preferences
Version: ??? (???)
PID: 459
Thread: 2

Exception: EXC_BREAKPOINT (0x0006)
Code[0]: 0x00000001
Code[1]: 0x90a5ce78


Thread 0:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900075c8 mach_msg_trap + 0x8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90007118 mach_msg + 0x38
2 com.apple.CoreGraphics 0x93649fd8 _CGSSetWindowShapeInline + 0xac
3 com.apple.CoreGraphics 0x936271a4 CGSSetWindowShapeWithWeighting + 0x2c8
4 com.apple.AppKit 0x92ebd5d0 _NSShapeRoundedWindowWithWeighting + 0xb8
5 com.apple.AppKit 0x92ed694c -[NSThemeFrame shapeWindow] + 0x150
6 com.apple.AppKit 0x92ecc834 -[NSFrameView tileAndSetWindowShape:] + 0x40


The bottom third of the log was deleted for space reasons. It was basically the same stuff as that above.

[Frumpy]

Just started experiencing the same problem. This was the first time I've tried to access the pane since I've reverted from 10.3.4 back to 10.3.3. The thing just quits out every time. Every other one works. This bothers me to a point, but as long as it's fixed in 10.3.5 which should be expected to be released sometime soon, then I don't mind. I just can't go back to 10.3.4 unless I want to completely give up my graphics card capabilities! Anyone find a fix yet?

[Big-C]

How about moving the com.apple.systempreferences.plist to your trash or something and then running system preferences again.

Did that help? Hoping it created a new plist...

[Frumpy]

Where do I find that file?

[Fonzie]

Originally posted by Frumpy:
Where do I find that file?

it should pop up if you search for it in Finder - just type "systempref" or something.

otherwise I suspect it's in Preferences folder !?

[gorickey]

Originally posted by Fonzie:
otherwise I suspect it's in Preferences folder !?

~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.systempreferences.plist

[Frumpy]

Nope, didn't work. Guess I'll have to wait for 10.3.5 and see what people say about the graphics fix. Thanks, though.

[Anubis IV]

Well, since that one crash log was a bit long, and you actually ended up chopping off one of the most important parts, why don't you try this:

1) Launch Console (should be in Applications/Utilities folder)
2) Press the "Logs" button (menu should appear on left after this)
3) Select ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/System Preferences.crash.log from the side menu that appears
4) Press the "Clear" button (text on the right should disappear after this)
5) Immediately go to the System Preferences and repeat the process that gets it to crash
6) Look back at Console and copy/paste that code to the boards as it is right then

Hopefully it'll be considerably shorter since you'd be getting rid of all the old junk, and it'll help us find out a possible problem more quickly. Anyway, I'm not great at reading the console logs, but I get lucky every now and then and can use them to find an answer. There are others here that live and breathe them though...

[Fonzie]

Originally posted by gorickey:
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.systempreferences.plist

yay, what do I win ??? A red balloon ?? I want a red balloon so bad. helium ofcourse.