[Teronzhul]

I can just hear Brother Cavell after being reanimated. "Man, how come I'm the only cylon with a 70 year old body?"

[BrunoBruin]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

That would rock if it aired on NBC HD. It would make the wait actually worth it.

I've been getting the show on Universal HD since Comcast added it to our service just before the Olympics. (Comcast, you rock!) The episodes are several weeks behind, so this weekend I get "Resurrection Ship" in glorious widescreen high-definition...

You've gotta love the risks this show takes in its storytelling. How many other TV dramas would skip an entire year with one cut, and just expect the audience to fill in the blanks?

[greenamp]

All I gotta say is this better not be a reset-button story like Enterprise always had.

[Eriamjh]

That was a frakkin' great finale. Baltar is the consumate a$$hole. I harped on the show because the middle f the second season got too slow for me, but this new plot lines is refreshing.

The colonists got to live on their sh*t hole of a planet and becaseu of Baltar, the Cylons are back.

It makes you wonder why no one thought about tracking the signature of the nuclear blast. You'd think Adama would have known about that. I guess they are not as advanced as they could be.

[awcopus]

I think we're genuinely supposed to believe that the Cylons are turning over some kind of new leaf. Otherwise they would have just blown away the colonists with nukes from orbit. Frankly, what possible incentive does the fleet have to return? To die fighting in a futile attempt to take on a vastly superior force? Well, they had that opportunity and they jumped. So... complex to be sure, and a little bit unbelievable.

But would it have been any more believable if, say, Roslin and Starbuck and maybe 12,000 others had stayed aboard the ships to maintain a credible defense effort, so that when the Cylons appear they essentially face (and make) the same decision they faced in the first episodes of the series? To leave everyone behind?

Wouldn't Adama have made clear that anyone who settles on the surface is assuming full responsibility for defending themselves? And wouldn't more people have decided against settlingi based on (1) Adam's warning and (2) reports of conditions on the planet? Baltar's order to settle the surface has no teeth without the support of the military and I just don't believe that the seventeen thousand folks who did in fact vote for Roslin (and against settling the planet) would be forced against their will to join the others on the surface.

I hope the show revisits events from the year. Overall, BSG is just fantastic. October.... ouch... but at least Season 2 will be available on DVD.

[Lateralus]

Originally Posted by goMac

Baltar also ordered everyone down to the planet.

Which obviously wasn't the case since all of the ships in orbit were indeed manned.

How many people was it said were left on Galactica? 1/3 the crew? That's probably significant right there. Pegasus was probably similarly manned. And then there's the other ships.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

Which obviously wasn't the case since all of the ships in orbit were indeed manned.

How many people was it said were left on Galactica? 1/3 the crew? That's probably significant right there. Pegasus was probably similarly manned. And then there's the other ships.

I got the impression there were enough left on the ships to man the bridge and man the fighters.

The destruction of Cloud 9 did destroy other ships, as noted by the Battlestar Wiki:

http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Cloud_9

"Cloud 9 and several smaller ships are destroyed by Gina just after the presidential election using a nuclear device that was given to her by Gaius Baltar (Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II)."

[goMac]

Anyone notice the symbolism that the survivor count was replaced with that portrait of Baltar?

[Jan Van Boghout]

Awesome finale. Which Six was it in the end though, Caprica Six or Cloud 9 Six?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Jan Van Boghout

Awesome finale. Which Six was it in the end though, Caprica Six or Cloud 9 Six?

Caprica Six, of course. Cloud 9 Six is gone--no more Resurrection Ship, remember?

[Jan Van Boghout]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Caprica Six, of course. Cloud 9 Six is gone--no more Resurrection Ship, remember?

That's what I thought at first, but she had the much more tormented look of Cloud 9 Six. It also struck me as odd that Caprica Six would help with another Cylon occupation.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Jan Van Boghout

That's what I thought at first, but she had the much more tormented look of Cloud 9 Six. It also struck me as odd that Caprica Six would help with another Cylon occupation.

I also thought it looked like Cloud 9 Six. She also seemed to know exactly what the nuclear traces were about. It's plausible that the Cylons deployed another resurrection ship.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Ozmodiar

What did the voice say? I only saw the second showing of the episode and I don't think we got a preview. I didn't catch it anyway.

I don't remember it all, but the end was something along the lines of, "We will be strict and demanding, but always show them our love. We will be like God."

By the way, was anybody else anxious to know what happened to poor depressed WasCapricaButIsNowGalactica Boomer?

[Ozmodiar]

I'm 100% sure it was Caprica Six with Boomer and the Number 5. Gina was inches away from a nuclear detonation (no upload or download for her) and I'm pretty sure they've even said the Clyons who die in the fleet die forever now anyway.

She also had the same sad/lost expression on her face as she did on Caprica. Gina's look seemed a little more depressed. I think Caprica Six and Boomer would help in a new occupation just because they're looking for Baltar and the Chief (respectively).

[greenamp]

Yeah their is definitely something other than total destruction of the human race driving the Cylons now, otherwise they would have just nuked the settlement and went after the remaining fleet.

The Brother Cavell twins must've been telling the truth about the Cylons new way of seeing things. This will no doubt not be any better for the colonies though.

[gumby5647]

has anyone else noticed that the cylons each have an important role in society?

Simon: A doctor
Brother Calvin: Priest
Lucy Lawless: Journalist
Boomer: Military
Six: Seductress
Doral: PR Rep/Politics
Leobin: um...*shrug* business man?


So using this logic, can we assume that other cylons play other important roles in their society?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by gumby5647

has anyone else noticed that the cylons each have an important role in society?

Simon: A doctor
Brother Calvin: Priest
Lucy Lawless: Journalist
Boomer: Military
Six: Seductress
Doral: PR Rep/Politics
Leobin: um...*shrug* business man?


So using this logic, can we assume that other cylons play other important roles in their society?

I think Leobin is more of a Prophet.

[cpt kangarooski]

Well, the original Six was nominally working for a military contractor (IIRC she convinced Baltar to let her into the defense computers so that she would have insider information when bidding on a contract, or something along those lines). The Shelly Godfrey Six had the cover story of working with for a scientist that had a similar sort of access. And the Six from Pegasus got aboard as a civilian dockworker, when that ship was in for refit.

So probably the Six role would be in military support. Sure, she seduced Baltar, but how hard is that? Two of the Sharons, meanwhile, seduced the Chief and Helo. It's probably something that any of them might try with the appropriate target, depending on their longterm goals. Some are probably better at it than others, though.

Oz--
Well, by now the Cylons probably have brought more resurrection facilities with them.

[Dale Sorel]

Originally Posted by Ozmodiar

She also had the same sad/lost expression on her face as she did on Caprica. Gina's look seemed a little more depressed.

Hasn't Tricia Helfer blossomed into a fantastic actress?

[RAILhead]

HOLY BLEEDIN' CRAP!

Now THAT is how to make a TV show, my frineds!

[Lateralus]

Originally Posted by goMac

I got the impression there were enough left on the ships to man the bridge and man the fighters.

The destruction of Cloud 9 did destroy other ships, as noted by the Battlestar Wiki:

http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Cloud_9

"Cloud 9 and several smaller ships are destroyed by Gina just after the presidential election using a nuclear device that was given to her by Gaius Baltar (Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II)."

I just rewatched the episode and when Adama met with Tigh he said that 'more than half' of the crew was on the planet. That leaves a pretty significant number of people aboard. And as I said above; I think it's safe to assume that Pegasus is manned at least as well and probably better since, given its technological superiority to the Galactica, one could assume that it is serving a larger defensive role for the planet than Galactica is.

I have no doubt that the destruction of Cloud 9 and the surrounding baby ships killed a great number of people. But I doubt it was near your 10,000 estimate.

[Eug Wanker]

I guess I am the only one that thought the finale was just OK but not great. The content was good but the storytelling was too disjointed, as if they were trying to cram too much into a very limited amount of time.

Originally Posted by BrunoBruin

I've been getting the show on Universal HD since Comcast added it to our service just before the Olympics. (Comcast, you rock!) The episodes are several weeks behind, so this weekend I get "Resurrection Ship" in glorious widescreen high-definition...

What I was getting at was HD right from the start and available to any cable provider. ie. NBC HD is ubiquitous. Universal HD is not (and is several weeks behind).

[JoshuaZ]

Whhat the heck.... I... ummm... show... confused...

Holy... what a twist.... I'm still in shock... must watch it again... Need to see next season's preview. My left arm for a link.

[brapper]

wowzers.
Great finale.
Brutal wait to follow.

[goMac]

The producers have stated the occupation arc will only be about 4 episodes (with another 4 spent on the Cylon homeworld). So New Caprica won't be around for very long. Be interesting to see what happens to Baltar after the four episodes. The producers also said next season they'll be exploring why Baltar is so significant to the Cylons. Maybe he finally joins the Cylons?

[scottiB]

Originally Posted by Dale Sorel

Hasn't Tricia Helfer blossomed into a fantastic actress?

She certainly has. Eick mentioned in the podcast that she and Grace Park had the toughest acting jobs on the series. While Park has greatly improved since the mini, Ms. Helfer really is spectacular (hyperbole intended). She does so much with nuance and very fine movements. She's been playing three characters consistently in the past 10 eps, and I buy every one of them. She's certainly an acting find, and I hope she finds a place in TV and film after BSG runs its course.

[Corpse of Chewbacca]

omfg holy sh1te! that was an INSANE episode!

geeezzzzz.........i just have to say, however, i am a little weary about how primitive their setup was. I was in southern Mississippi for 3 months after Katrina, which reduced the place to rubble. Even 3 months later some people were smart enough to build basic shelters out of whatever was around- wood and stuff, pieces of metal sheets.

well, anyways, it was a fraking amazing episode. i am glad they went up to the point of surrender and not simply stopping with the cylons on the planet and the fleet jumping away.

A+ for artistic quality
A+ for content

[I Bent My Wookiee]

That was the best damn 90 minutes of TV I have ever watched. Never ever would I have thought any show would have the nerve to jump one year ahead like that.

Any other show would totally be an Indian giver and after a 2 parter would destroy some time ship and make everything reset back to normal with nobody remembering anything.

It is also rather ironic that since Baltar gave 6 the nuke it is also what lead the Cylons into finding them, guess that didn't work out like he hoped.

From what I saw the nuke that went off also destroyed at LEAST 2 other ships.

Even if they had advance warning it isn't like the whole crew could beam up and be back to normal as the ships are in major dis-repair, I am also sure most of the crew has lost its touch.

A major concept change like this is something shows normally do when the ratings are dipping or all the story lines are played out. RDM has mentioned how he is sick of space battles and such so I guess this is just his way of keeping it fresh even though things aren't stale yet.

I don't know how anyone here thinks last years was more exciting. How does Adama getting shot compare to thousands getting killed, Baltar becoming president, resettlement on another planet, the fleet practically mothballed, Adama and lee miserable, the Cylons making the fleet surrender and occupation?

[Chuckit]

More happened in this one, but I still think Boomer shooting Adama was more shocking. The only real "Oh no you di'int" moment in this episode was that they jumped ahead a full year all of a sudden.

[I Bent My Wookiee]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

More happened in this one, but I still think Boomer shooting Adama was more shocking. The only real "Oh no you di'int" moment in this episode was that they jumped ahead a full year all of a sudden.

Really? I thought Adama's mustache was far more shocking.

[I Bent My Wookiee]

My Questions are:

1) Did the Cylons lie about wanting peace?
2) Did the cylons that found them in the end the "good" cylons? Are there 2 different factions?
3) Why do you THINK the cylons are looking for Starbuck? Is it because I thought she was "Special" like I thought?
4) Why did Gina nuke herself? I don't think she did it to contact the cyons as even they mentioned it was a fluke. I assume radiation travels at the speed of light and that is why the cylons took a year to find them when they were 1 lightyear away. She probably did it as a big "Frack you" to baltar and still do her job as a cylon and kill people.

Obviously the Cylons do not want to destroy the humans or they would have nuked it from orbit. Is it simply because they want to round up all the women for the farms?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

My Questions are:

1) Did the Cylons lie about wanting peace?

I don't think they did. I think the idea now is that they're going to force/teach peace to the poor barbaric humans.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

1) Did the Cylons lie about wanting peace?

I don't know. I think it has something to do with Gina loving Baltar, more of a personal thing. And on a larger scale (as suggested above) `serving' humans (similar to I, Robot).

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

2) Did the cylons that found them in the end the "good" cylons? Are there 2 different factions?

I don't entirely know. Could be that there are several factions now, but it didn't really sound like that. However, there seems to be some sense of democracy within the Cylon community.

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

3) Why do you THINK the cylons are looking for Starbuck? Is it because I thought she was "Special" like I thought?

They have taken one of her ovaries, so I guess it has something to do with them wanting to reproduce.

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

4) Why did Gina nuke herself? I don't think she did it to contact the cyons as even they mentioned it was a fluke. I assume radiation travels at the speed of light and that is why the cylons took a year to find them when they were 1 lightyear away. She probably did it as a big "Frack you" to baltar and still do her job as a cylon and kill people.

I think it was primarily because she was deeply disturbed as a person by the abuse on Pegasus. I think that this was her primary motivation.

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

Obviously the Cylons do not want to destroy the humans or they would have nuked it from orbit. Is it simply because they want to round up all the women for the farms?

We'll find out in October, I guess

[cpt kangarooski]

geeezzzzz.........i just have to say, however, i am a little weary about how primitive their setup was. I was in southern Mississippi for 3 months after Katrina, which reduced the place to rubble. Even 3 months later some people were smart enough to build basic shelters out of whatever was around- wood and stuff, pieces of metal sheets.

Well there's probably little useful wood on the planet. The place is described as barren, with some plant and animal life . It could be that plants that you can make structurally useful wood out of haven't evolved there or can't really be grown there. I rewatched, but the only wood I noticed that was probably local was some sticks around the food vendors' area.

And other than radioactive scrap metal from the ships that got blown up, they probably don't have a great deal to spare, unless they want to dismantle the ships. The tents don't surprise me, and it looked like they were being mass produced. Metal for the frames could be mined from the planet or asteroids, and processed. Hydrocarbons from comets or other planets could be processed for synthetic fibers, which they'd need to make all that cold weather clothing, as well as the tent fabric.

In any case, they don't have the wreckage of a city to reuse.

[I Bent My Wookiee]

Wow, I just found out that most of Pegaus' sets are from a cancelled Lost in Space TV show. That is the only way they could afford it.

[Ozmodiar]

1) Did the Cylons lie about wanting peace?

2) Did the cylons that found them in the end the "good" cylons? Are there 2 different factions?

I don't think so. I'm sure they now believe God wants them to love instead of hate. I agree there's probably at least two factions, though, as Number 3's ten-episode arc next season is supposed to cause a lot of Cylon friction.

3) Why do you THINK the cylons are looking for Starbuck? Is it because I thought she was "Special" like I thought?

The cylon asking for Starbuck was the same model she interrogated. Before he was put out the airlock he asked her to pray for his soul to reach God, but maybe he was able to be downloaded into another body? He could just be trying to find her to thank her for praying.

4) Why did Gina nuke herself?

She's been suicidal since Baltar found her. My guess is she was just killing herself and wanted to make sure there was no chance she could download into a new body so she used a nuke. The collateral damage was just icing on the cake for her.

Obviously the Cylons do not want to destroy the humans or they would have nuked it from orbit. Is it simply because they want to round up all the women for the farms?

In my opinion, they didn't nuke it because they want peace. I doubt they have any Farming intentions with the women based on what the Cavils said about needing to figure out life for themselves.

[ThinkInsane]

According to scfi.com/battlestar/ships, the luxury liners like Cloud Nine carry 1,000 passengers comfortably. And I would say it was considerably larger than the other ships around it that were destroyed in the bombing. So I'm guessing even if Cloud Nine was carrying twice it's "comfort" capacity, that would probably leave a lot less than 10,000 dead.

So has anyone checked the numbers in the for the election? Moore said in the podcast he just made them up and hoped someone would check them later

[JoshuaZ]

All I know is that we have a long wait and a lot of speculation to do. Curse you Battlestar for being so good. Curse you.

[Corpse of Chewbacca]

JoshuaZ, agreed! Damn you, BSG for being so good.

Brainstorm: if we do an online petition and demand that they move it up to like June do you think it'll work?

I pray yes.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane

According to scfi.com/battlestar/ships, the luxury liners like Cloud Nine carry 1,000 passengers comfortably. And I would say it was considerably larger than the other ships around it that were destroyed in the bombing. So I'm guessing even if Cloud Nine was carrying twice it's "comfort" capacity, that would probably leave a lot less than 10,000 dead.

So has anyone checked the numbers in the for the election? Moore said in the podcast he just made them up and hoped someone would check them later

1,000 is the stats for one of the smaller luxery liners, not the cloud nine which was much larger than average.

[I Bent My Wookiee]

In season one they were at 42,000ish. After the nuke on the planet a year later they are at 39,000ish.

so 3000 dead is a safe guess.

[Ozmodiar]

They do a soul count at the start of every episode. At the beginning of the season finale it said 49,550.

[I Bent My Wookiee]

Originally Posted by Ozmodiar

They do a soul count at the start of every episode. At the beginning of the season finale it said 49,550.

I guess that factors in the Pegasus crew.

[Ozmodiar]

The count in the episode before the Pegasus shows up is 47,853, and after it's 49,605 (according to the Battlestar Wiki).

[finboy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Caprica Six, of course. Cloud 9 Six is gone--no more Resurrection Ship, remember?

That was Caprica Six, or "War Hero 6" as the Cylons have begun to refer to her. And she wanted to see Baltar.

[Corpse of Chewbacca]

What the hell am I going to do until October?

What they hell are they thinking not making new eps until October?

What the HELL?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Corpse of Chewbacca

What the hell am I going to do until October?

What they hell are they thinking not making new eps until October?

What the HELL?

It's probably a combination of production issues and their ensemble cast--some actors might have worked out deals that allowed them to do other projects during the spring.

[JHromadka]

I wish they would have just spaced in repeats here and there. It's a long wait till October.

[awcopus]

I would rather they really take their time and make the next season as good or better than this one. It seems like so much on tv is rushed out the door to fill the space between commercials.

October will be here before we know it. Look how fast a year went by in that last episode.

Meanwhile, there's another half season of Lost.

[Chuckit]

It could also be that they want the new Dr. Who series and whatever they're pairing with that to get a full run or something.