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Originally Posted by adamfishercox View Post
considering that the post in question is an entire page up, you might want to quote it...
No thanks, because anyone that can utilize their brain and read the entire thread would be able to understand.
     
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Well, I have no idea when the next iMac is coming or what its specs will be, but what I think makes sense is the following:

Obviously, the current model is OLDER THAN DIRT. Something is doubtless pending and the long life span of the last iteration makes one think that it will be a major form factor revision.

Dual hard drives makes more and more sense. I always wondered why the 24" didn't have them to begin with. With Time Machine, this would be hugely helpful. Having at least one of the drives be easily swappable is a must.

A quad core processor on the top end would make sense (say, standard on the 24" and optional on the 20"

Upgradeable GPU makes sense ... but that is Sooooooooo not Apple's style. I won't hold my breath on that one. There have to be some problems with allowing 3rd party graphics cards to control your non-upgradeable monitor. My vote is that apple will offer some Apple upgradeable options ONLY ... just as with today.

Dual optical drives make no sense at all. The rare person who needs a second optical drive that doesn't ALSO need the other expandability offered by a Mac Pro can get an external. I feel confident that a microscopic portion of the iMac market needs dual opticals. However, when are we going to start seeing Blu-Ray options on both the iMac and Mac Pro ??

4gb of ram ? AT LEAST!!

External eSATA connection ? That would be sweet and is starting to make sense. If the iMac doesn't have a dual drive option (and even if it does) an eSATA connection is becoming a mass storage essential connection type. Look at the number of drives/enclosures (miniStack v3 amongst MANY others) that have recently added eSATA to their port compliment ... that is a connection who's time has come and Apple should jump on it the same way they did with USB in the original iMac.

I can think of a couple other "left field" options for a future iMac but they aren't realistic. What I see is
Dual drive option, quad processor option, Apple-only upgradeable video, NO second optical drive, (probably) no eSATA (though I think it makes sense), 4GB max ram, (hopefully) a Blue ray option on at least the 24" model since it supports HD (but that may be for the next rev OR they would announce that option in tandem with it becoming an option on the Mac Pro).

Can't wait til Tuesday .... or the 15th ... or the 20th .... or whenever. :-)
     
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day after tomorrow!!!!!
     
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Let's not bash the OP anymore... he'll finally be right in a few hours.
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"Tomorrow will never die".

Isn't that a movie?
     
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Given that Apple obvioulsy sees a link between the iMac and the iPod, having designed the existing case to reflect the design ethos of the iPod I would be expecting to see the new iMac to be modelled along the lines of the iPhone (and the new iPods, whenever they pitch up) as Apple is always good at maintianing a consistent design language.

With this in mind (and ignoring inside specs) I would imagine the new iMacs to have an aluminium back with a glass front and a thin silver bezel. The screen will be glossy anbd the glass will extend righ tto the edge just like the iPhone even if the actual screen has a small border.

I think it will rotate, as Apple has the technology to automatically detect orientation.

It will look sweet.
     
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Originally Posted by Veltliner View Post
"Tomorrow will never die".

Isn't that a movie?
Yep and so is this:

Originally Posted by adamfishercox
day after tomorrow!!!!!
without all the exclamation marks though.

What I would find hilarious is that if they didn't actually release a new iMac in the near future, as there has been so much build up towards it, everyones jaws would just drop in frustration and shock, although I highly doubt that situation.

Im posting from the UK at 11:20am wondering what time (in the UK) the Apple event will finish (probably like 7pm or something stupid).
     
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Originally Posted by Veltliner View Post
"Tomorrow will never die".

Isn't that a movie?
It is not. Or at least, I've never heard or such a movie.

Originally Posted by Krusty View Post
Well, I have no idea when the next iMac is coming or what its specs will be, but what I think makes sense is the following:

Obviously, the current model is OLDER THAN DIRT. Something is doubtless pending and the long life span of the last iteration makes one think that it will be a major form factor revision.
I predict it will be announced in a few hours.
     
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The movie was actually called Tomorrow Never Dies. It sucked. The new iMac hopefully won't. Well know in a little more than six hours.
     
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Simon, if you'll know in 6 hours, what time is it in the US, or where you are?
     
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Originally Posted by seanc View Post
Simon, if you'll know in 6 hours, what time is it in the US, or where you are?
It's scheduled to take place at 10 AM PDT.
     
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Originally Posted by Simon View Post
It's scheduled to take place at 10 AM PDT.
Andhee, seanc (& other UK readers). It's a similar time to the SF keynote, so it's to start at about 5pm BST
     
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Anybody know if they'll stream it somewhere?
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Originally Posted by UNTeMac View Post
Anybody know if they'll stream it somewhere?
I was wondering the same thing, but have been unable to find any reference to this event on apple.com or at akamai (the stream provider). If I remember correctly they scaled back on streaming these events, don't know why.
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This new iMac better have some form of video input. Or an easily upgradable GPU, so I can ADD video input. Either one, and I'm buying it and selling my 24" iMac ASAP.
     
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No streaming? Boo for that. It's been a long time since I have watched one and I was hoping I'd get to see this one. Ah well
     
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Maybe one of the 24 hour news outlets will cut to it since the iPhone got so much coverage.
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So this conference thing should be taking place now? I hope so, i'm eager to know what they're goign to be changing.
     
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the Dutch Apple Store just went offline at 18:45 CEST...
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Originally Posted by Jobs - 13:04
We are focusing on iMacs today. It is an all in one world. All devices are all-in-one devices. Notebooks are all in one devices.
Originally Posted by Jobs - 13:05
We are going to make iMac better. Aluminum and Glass based iMac.
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oh dear, glossy screens....
     
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Yuck! They have an ugly black border around htem too:



Why the black border? That looks nasty. What is the point of having such a small aluminum frame if the display itself doesn't go to the edge? AND, NO ****ING VIDEO INPUT!

WAY TO GO STEVE! ARGH.
     
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Anyone keeping a tally of what Macgeek has been right about?
     
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Not much by the sounds of it, haha
     
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What a shocking turn of events.
     
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One thing by now... 4GB of RAM... I wouldn't have thought about that one
     
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Originally Posted by Biest View Post
One thing by now... 4GB of RAM... I wouldn't have thought about that one
Naa, I could see that coming, just because the latest MBP's have got that ability.
     
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Originally Posted by Aeternus View Post
Yuck! They have an ugly black border around htem too:



Why the black border? That looks nasty. What is the point of having such a small aluminum frame if the display itself doesn't go to the edge? AND, NO ****ING VIDEO INPUT!

WAY TO GO STEVE! ARGH.
Ditto.

G4 iMac is still the best desktop Apple's put out to date. Bummer.

<edit>Not to mention this is the third release of the same basic design. Give us something fresh, Apple. Putting an aluminum wrapping around the same box isn't that creative.</edit>
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Ugg. The G4 iMacs were unshapely.
     
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So how did our mysterious informant's predictions stack up?

Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
Tomorrow Apple is releasing the new redesigned iMac.
Incorrect when posted.

Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
It'll hold up to 4GB of ram
Fair enough (Though one could insert a comment here about stopped clock twice a day, etc...).

Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
2 hard drives, and 2 optical drives. The video card, hard drive, ram, and optical drives will be easily user-upgradeable.
Not right on the quantities, and not right on the upgradeability.

Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
The incredible new design (which I can't disclose any details about), will be as efficient and brilliant as the Mac Pro's interior design, while retaining a compact all-in-one form factor that allows for display rotation and height adjustment.
'Incredible' is kind of vague, so I can only award partial credit for the Mac Pro comparison. However, the only thing notable about the *interior* design of the Mac Pro is its roominess and expandability, so no points for that one. Also, no on rotation or height adjustment.

Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
The standard video card across all models (except for the low end), will be the GeForce 8600GT, and the 24" will have a CPU option for the desktop version of the Intel chips, instead of the Laptop version that's been standard in all models.
Aside from the fact that the video card is an ATI HD 2400, standard across all models, and they all use laptop (not desktop as I put earlier) chips, this looks pretty much spot on.

Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
This is not speculation, but don't ask me where I get my info, just wait until tomorrow.
Because with sources like yours, who needs speculation?

Based on these results, I'm afraid I'll have to award you an A for effort but an F for accuracy. Thanks for playing.
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store is back online, specs are available on the new imac (243pm).
usually i just watch the forum for responses, but...no matte screen??? yikes.

let the ranting begin!
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ View Post
Ugg. The G4 iMacs were unshapely.
The arm design was really pure genius. Boyfriend's mom uses a 17" at home, and it's just so very, very nice to be able to adjust the display with a gentle push.

Small desktop footprint, too.
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Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
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Actually, they're not. No LGA 775 motherboard uses DDR2 SO-DIMMs, and no Conroe processor over 1.8GHZ uses an 800MHZ FSB. So it's using a Santa Rosa-based chipset, which means Socket P, and Socket P means Merom. I was wrong above.

Interestingly, the 2.8GHZ model would have to be an as-yet unreleased Core 2 Duo X7900
     
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Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
They use Conroe. I said they would, and everyone said that it's impossible.
there is a difference between impossible and unlikely... we were going by track record... while you were going i dunno an crystal ball maybe?

edit//

Just saw the 800MHz FSB as well... so they are mobile... back to the drawing board or your gipsy
     
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
The arm design was really pure genius.
But ugly.

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Small desktop footprint, too.
Much smaller than the current iMac, though?
     
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god you were so wrong. they look spiffy though
     
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But they call it Core 2 Extreme......
     
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Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
But they call it Core 2 Extreme......
And?
     
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ View Post
But ugly.
I disagree, but that's just a matter of preference.

Much smaller than the current iMac, though?
The current iMac is bulkier to rotate around and adjust. I have't dicked around with the Intel iMacs in an office setting, but I have used the G5s...the G4 is just easier to manuever around in small spaces. I count the radius around the machine as part of the footprint. With a G4, the CD is front-accessible. With the G5/Intel, it's on the side, requiring you to have space to the side of the iMac. Boyfriend's dad has a G5 in his office that's sitting inside a rack, and he has to turn it just to get to the optical drive. That's a pain in the butt for him.
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I'm not up to date on all of the latest video card tech. Where does the card in the new iMac stand against the card in the previous iMac and the current one in the MBP?

Is it any better than the X1600 I have now in my 2.33 MBP?
     
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Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
But they call it Core 2 Extreme......
Intel� Core�2 Extreme Processor Overview

there you go... there is a Core 2 Extreme mobile

Originally Posted by Lava Lamp Freak View Post
I'm not up to date on all of the latest video card tech. Where does the card in the new iMac stand against the card in the previous iMac and the current one in the MBP?

Is it any better than the X1600 I have now in my 2.33 MBP?
Yeap it is a DirectX 10 card a pretty middle of the road one

Here for more info

Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100203L Radeon HD 2400PRO 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail


edit/// to not mislead anybody
or

Newegg.com - HIS Hightech H260PRF512DDN-R Radeon HD 2600PRO 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
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Originally Posted by Biest View Post
Intel� Core�2 Extreme Processor Overview

there you go... there is a Core 2 Extreme mobile



Yeap it is a DirectX 10 card a pretty middle of the road one

Here for more info

Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100203L Radeon HD 2400PRO 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
The 2400 Pro isn't in any of the new iMacs.
     
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Originally Posted by macgeek2005 View Post
The 2400 Pro isn't in any of the new iMacs.
...I just wanted to show what it may look like spec-wise... Here from the apple site so you are satisfied

# 20-inch model with 2.0GHz processor

* ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT graphics processor
* 128MB of GDDR3 memory

# 20-inch model with 2.4GHz processor and 24-inch model

* ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO graphics processor
* 256MB of GDDR3 memory

and

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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
I disagree, but that's just a matter of preference.
True, but apple must not thought much of it either.

Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
Boyfriend's dad has a G5 in his office that's sitting inside a rack, and he has to turn it just to get to the optical drive. That's a pain in the butt for him.
Sure, but I don't think an iMac is designed with a rack in mind.
     
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A lot of us were hoping for a reasonably good 3d video card. Instead, it's clear Apple didn't want any competition at all between the Pro and the iMac. They focused on making the iMac attractive for noobs. I actually found myself considering a Mac Pro just because the 2600 Pro in the new iMac is nearly horrifying.

But then I realized the only game I play is WoW. And it's still better than the 64MB video card in my Ti 1ghz. And I really want an all-in-one. I'm sure for typical non-3d graphics it'll be just fine.

As I get older, my computing demands go down...and I feel lame. But there it is. I'll get an iMac asap.
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The graphics card options are what you would expect for a non-gamer machine. It's certainly a step up from the previous iMac, but a bummer for those of us who boot windows to play games. This machine will be a nice step up for my mom, who runs a G4 1 Ghz lampshade iMac.
Of note, seems like the new graphics cards have dedicated h.264 chips. With proper OS support that's a great addition.
2Gb of Ram standard is nice.
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Originally Posted by CIA View Post
The graphics card options are what you would expect for a non-gamer machine. It's certainly a step up from the previous iMac, ...
Is it? i'm having a hard time finding a benchmark comparison.
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