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Well has Tiger improved performance in the Finder GUI as much as 50%
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littlegreenspud
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Apr 29, 2005, 08:50 AM
 
I remember seeing some performance data for PowerBooks and they benefited in the Finder by as much as 50% from Tiger.

Anyone have Tiger and a PowerBook care to comment?

     
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Apr 29, 2005, 08:53 AM
 
I don't think it'll be officially released until tonight @ 6:00 pm... @ least thats what it says on apple's site.

Why the hell would they release it @ 6:00 pm? Why not friday... all day...
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Apr 29, 2005, 09:11 AM
 
Yeah stupid, our local Apple store has copies but will not sell them until 6:00pm, by which time they are shut! And as Monday is a holiday they will not be open until Tuesday!
     
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Apr 29, 2005, 09:28 AM
 
Well our Applestore (Nextbyte australia) actually opened until about 9 PM at night. I'm installing it right now on the PB15" 1.5ghz. I'm even going to give the thing a clean since it's been with me all through india and there's still smog bits stuck to it...
     
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Apr 29, 2005, 09:42 AM
 
It's opened from 6 PM till 8 PM here too, while it actually closes at 6 PM normally.
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Apr 29, 2005, 12:01 PM
 
i have it on my pb for sometime now...i really don't see tooo much of an improvement...but then again my pb isn't the fastest out there, and the gpu is pretty crap...so that could be a reason.
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Apr 29, 2005, 03:12 PM
 
iREZ.. if you PB is crap and hasn't seen much improvement, I don't think my 333 extra ghz of processor and miniscule 528mb of ram will see much improvement either...

that will really suck if it doesn't improve as much as they'd have you believe
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Apr 29, 2005, 03:55 PM
 
Finder performance doesn't seem much different on my latest-rev 15", but I didn't think it was particularly sluggish before. Updating is instant if that's what you mean. All in all, though, I would say the system is significantly faster. Scrolling through ~800 songs in iTunes flies now.
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Apr 29, 2005, 04:11 PM
 
> Scrolling through ~800 songs in iTunes flies now.

would you say 2 or 3 times faster? or less?
     
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Apr 29, 2005, 06:04 PM
 
I got my copy this morning, and installed it on my 15"Ti 550 with 1gig of RAM. I did a clean install, and it seems a bit more responsive, but nothing really noticeable over 10.3... But a nice update to say the least. Now I just need to get a copy for my 17".
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Apr 29, 2005, 09:16 PM
 
Has the OS X Finder's performance improved when viewing a folder with 1,000+ files in it?

Under OS9, the Finder would quickly display a folder with 1,000+ files.

Under OS X, if I have a folder in columns view and I wanted to switch to the single column view, it would pause a bit for switching views.

Does this performance lag have something to do with OS X being UNIX-based or does it have to take more things into account like the .DS_Store files and such?
     
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Apr 30, 2005, 01:21 AM
 
The finder has not improved (speedwise) as reported in ars and in the forums. But what has improved is the scrolling in other applications iphoto, FF (much smoother as faster), itunes etc. I wanted to try it out in a PDF in adobe professional but this application does not seem to like tiger and crashes on start up.
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Apr 30, 2005, 03:24 AM
 
The Finder's speed and performance have improved; sadly it's behavior has not, so it is still prone to weird display issues and wonky GUI choices.
     
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Apr 30, 2005, 11:19 AM
 
It doesn't seem any different on my 15" 1.67...
     
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May 1, 2005, 03:41 AM
 
I can't really tell on my 1.33 12in. But you never know. It could be improving, but our minds are not quick enough to detect it.
     
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May 2, 2005, 02:27 AM
 
It was fast on Panther. It's amazingly fast on Tiger!
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May 2, 2005, 10:28 AM
 
just installed tiger this morning. there is a remarkable difference in speed and smoothness. I'm really impressed!!
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May 2, 2005, 11:47 AM
 
I did an archive and install on my 12" PB Rev B (1Ghz, 512Mb RAM), and I'm getting a lot of beach balling, dock bouncing and applications hanging going on now. My Dad installed Tiger on his 3 G5's before I'd installed on my powerbook, and when I spoke to him on the phone, he was raving about how fast spotlight was. Now fare enough my powerbook doesn't have the same grunt under the hood as even his single processing 1.8Ghz G5, but I would still have expected it to be reasonably quick.

I just timed it. I clicked on the Spotlight icon, and typed in "system preferences" it took me 6 seconds to do that, as I got part way through the word "preferences", the characters stopped appearing and I got a beach ball. Eventually the beach ball went and the rest of the "preferences" word appeared. It finally finished searching 54 seconds after I started typing. That's really not the performance that I'd hoped for. I'm playing some music in iTunes, have a Word Document open (nothing big), have iCal, Address Book, Mail, Firefox and NewsFire open. So it's not like I'm editing video or a 1 gig photoshop file or anything and expecting a lightening response.

Not sure whether to try a clean install sometime next week, or to just wait and see if 10.4.1 resolves the problem.
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May 3, 2005, 10:19 AM
 
Be aware that Quartz 2D Extreme is not actually switched on in the 10.4 release - if you are expecting speed gains in the GUI, it is likely that it will be due to this feature and could be where the wild claims were coming from. We will have to wait for the bugs to be ironed out and the feature activated in an update before we can test that hypothesis.

FWIW, the speed of the Finder has improved greatly in some respects, such as the display of image previews on the icons in icon view etc. Scrolling is definitely better IMO, and when Q2DE was switched on (using Quartz debug from the developer tools) it was faster again although exhibiting some "tearing" defects which is probably why its off by default at present.
     
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May 3, 2005, 11:40 AM
 
You also have to remember that Spotlight indexes EVERY file on your entire drive, so if you have a large drive or a lot of documents, it has to index all of those. My 12" 1.33 ghz PB took about three hours to index everything. My Cube, which has a 80GB HD and a 120GB external HD attached to it with a measly 450 mhz G4, seemed to take about 7 or 8 hours for Spotlight to stop!
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May 4, 2005, 10:53 AM
 
Read this. It appears that I was probably right - Q2DE will give an approx 55% boost to the Quartz Graphics scores in XBench on a PB. However, it only translates into an ~11% boost to the UI. How meaningful the XBench scores are is any one's guess, though.
     
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May 4, 2005, 11:04 AM
 
Thats interesting IKT. Perhaps QE2Donly minimally boosts the UI score because it saves cpu cycles for ui rendering. I wonder how this will pan out.
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