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Cody Dawg · Jan 2, 2006, 04:44 PM

After reading this story about this woman I've changed my mind again and I think that the death penalty is deserved.

She deliberately burned her 4-year old to punish - in boiling hot water - and he died from it.

She deserves to die, period.

nredman · Jan 2, 2006, 04:49 PM

i say do the same to her - then lock her up.

turtle777 · Jan 2, 2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Blawg

A It's The New Year & I Changed My Mind (Again)

Oh shock...

-t

Cody Dawg · Jan 2, 2006, 04:55 PM

Yeah. Maybe submerging HER in boiling water then locking her up with no medical treatment is the right thing to do.

GOOD POST nredman.

Jan Van Boghout · Jan 2, 2006, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yeah. Maybe submerging HER in boiling water then locking her up with no medical treatment is the right thing to do.

GOOD POST nredman.

If you'd do that (even to punish her), you're no better than her in the first place.

demograph68 · Jan 2, 2006, 05:22 PM

Flip Flop

wdlove · Jan 2, 2006, 05:35 PM

Good for you Cody.

andi*pandi · Jan 2, 2006, 05:46 PM

what's sad is the grandmother not taking the kid to a hospital--he could have been saved.

Cody Dawg · Jan 2, 2006, 06:01 PM

That's true, andi*pandi.

Very very sad.

Both of them are involved with this crime. One for committing it and the other for trying to keep it hidden by not seeking medical attention for the boy. Both should go to prison and never get out again.

Also, I have a feeling that the mother of the boy was abused as a child. That's why she's an abuser also.

The Bible talks about the sins of the father visiting the children (to loosely paraphrase) and here's an example.

wdlove · Jan 2, 2006, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

That's true, andi*pandi.

Very very sad.

Both of them are involved with this crime. One for committing it and the other for trying to keep it hidden by not seeking medical attention for the boy. Both should go to prison and never get out again.

Also, I have a feeling that the mother of the boy was abused as a child. That's why she's an abuser also.

The Bible talks about the sins of the father visiting the children (to loosely paraphrase) and here's an example.

Hi Cody,

Just so sad.

Face Ache · Jan 2, 2006, 07:25 PM

Why does this stuff usually occur in Florida?

The Godfather · Jan 2, 2006, 07:30 PM

Because they are not reported in other states?

Peter · Jan 2, 2006, 08:17 PM

www.livejournal.com

Tesseract · Jan 2, 2006, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

www.livejournal.com

Subtle.

Peter · Jan 2, 2006, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tesseract

Subtle.

tis my middle name

ghporter · Jan 3, 2006, 10:48 AM

It's true that a lot of "family law" issues are not reported in other states-mostly because these other states have rules about "confidentiality" in these cases. Maybe they're trying to avoid a run on torches and pitchforks...

It's an interesting thing that when a state executes a condemned prisoner, that prisoner usually dies much more comfortably, and at least more quickly than most murder victims. Lethal injection is supposed to be at least as comfortable as going to sleep, with the bulk of the "punnishment" portion of the execution being the psychological part-knowing you're going to die.

I think there's a time and place for capital punishment, but that it is used too inconsistently. Several years ago I read a Miami Hearald report about how Miami-Dade prosecutors routinely plea-bargained away a number of solid charges in order to get guilty pleas for less solid ones. They'd give up "assault with a deadly weapon" and "felon in possession of a firarm" they had rock solid, guaranteed convictions for in order to get a guilty pleay on an attempted murder charge. Often, it's the prosecutors who give up potential capital charges that a grand jury thought were warranted because they don't think they can get a slam-dunk conviction, while going for the throat on lesser charges that don't put the bad guys away for very long at all, all to enhance their conviction rate. This is truly gaming the system, and it's bad for everyone.

I agree with you, Cody; this particular "indivdual" (can't call her a "person," can we) deserves (if truly guilty and not whacked out or otherwise impaired) to stop living. Killing another person is bad enough; killing a child is horrendous.

Cody Dawg · Jan 3, 2006, 12:09 PM

I am going to do something here and post a picture of our baby that was severely burned by a cup of tea that spilled on him.

My husband and I were both in the kitchen. I had microwaved a cup of water for hot tea. My husband took it out of the microwave - it was boiling - and plopped a tea bag into it. He put it on the counter, near the edge, and went about his business. I turned around to see my toddler reaching up to grab the dangling string of the tea bag hanging out of the cup and it was like slow motion trying to grab the cup before he did...and I lost...and the cup tipped and spilled all over his chest and arm and splashed in his face.

My husband immediately grabbed him and put him under the sink and started running cold water on his face. Our son was screaming in anguish. I was in my nightgown and robe and I grabbed him and started ripping his clothes (pajamas) off of him and I said, "Let's go - we need to go to the hospital right now!" My husband drove faster than he's ever driven with the hazard lights flashing to the hospital. I had called ahead on my cell phone and told the hospital what had happened and that we were on the way. The police were patched in and when we exited the freeway they escorted us to the hospital.

Now, imagine this: My son looked terrible at 10-minutes post-accident because his face and chest were dark red and it looked as though someone had thrown wet toilet tissue all over his face and it was dripping off...it was his skin. His skin was coming off all over revealing the muscle underneath.

We arrived at the hospital and they took him from us and immediately put him into a drug-induced coma and took him by traumahawk (helicopter) to the Miami Jackson Burn Center.

We drove down and we didn't see him for two hours and then they came to get us and brought us into his room. He was still sedated and would be until the morning, but I'll never forget the doctor who spoke to us saying, "I know it's bad, but we have assessed the burns as bad first degree and primary second degree burns. He will be able to go home in about a week and then he will need follow-up treatments for 3 months to make sure that the scarring is minimal. The biggest threat to a child after a burn isn't the disfigurement, it's the risk of infection and that is our concern right now. I promise you that if everything goes the way it should that he will have minimal scarring and he will be fine." It was hard to believe at the time, but it turned out to be the truth. Thank God for the wonderful burn experts at Miami Jackson Burn Center. They are amazing.

I remember the social worker coming in to interview us and later found out that she was actually with the police department and her job was to 1) Ascertain that it was not child abuse and 2) Make sure that the home conditions were safe.

It was a terrible accident and I will never forget the anguish. My husband was in really bad shape afterwards, almost catatonic the night we saw him in the burn unit. We had to change into scrubs and then we were allowed in his room (I was still nursing him - which actually helped him heal tremendously as he could swallow milk easily) and I will never forget sleeping on the floor underneath the hospital crib and me watching tears roll down his cheeks. He was completely silent and in terrible mental anguish.

Thank God in his heaven that he was okay afterwards. He still has a little bit of a scar but you cannot see it unless he goes out in the sun. The sun makes the scar turn red and then one side of his face looks redder than the other, but other than that he looks fine and you can't tell that he was ever burned.

I know, firsthand, what a horribly painful ordeal a burn is. Even after we brought him home a nurse had to come and teach us how to change the dressings and debride the wounds (remove dead skin) so that there wouldn't be scarring as the new skin grew in (if it grows in over and on top of the dead skin then the skin scars permanently). It was very painful for him for about a month.

Poor baby.

Here is a picture of our son about a month after the accident when he was at home. He was still not wearing any clothes because it was still too uncomfortable for him so the white "shirt" that you see is actually bandages covering the burns on his chest.

We're actually VERY lucky that the scalding water hit him in the chest, primarily, and not the head. He might have lost his eyes. It basically hit him in the chest and splashed up on his face.

No one can ever convince me that that the little boy who died from his burns inflicted by his mother didn't suffer horribly for the week after he was burned. Think about the last time you were burned and how badly the burn hurt...then imagine it all over your body and not having pain medication.

She committed a heinous and atrocious crime that deserves death. She deliberately burned him then did not seek medical attention, neither her nor her mother, and they are both responsible for that boy's death, period.

demograph68 · Jan 3, 2006, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Now, imagine this: My son looked terrible at 10-minutes post-accident because his face and chest were dark red and it looked as though someone had thrown wet toilet tissue all over his face and it was dripping off...it was his skin. His skin was coming off all over revealing the muscle underneath.

Holy ****.

Cody Dawg · Jan 3, 2006, 12:33 PM

It was really bad, yes. That picture you see is a MONTH later after he was about halfway healed. Right after it had happened it was horrific. And it was from ONE CUP of boiling water. Not a bathtub full of it like that woman used to burn her son. I heard down here that one report is that she boiled two huge pots of water and added them to water in the bathtub (straight hot water - no cold) and then dipped him in it repeatedly. A 3-year old little boy.

She's one sick m-f'er and deserves to die.

Mrjinglesusa · Jan 3, 2006, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

www.livejournal.com

Ditto. wdlove would read it and refresh it every minute.

demibob · Jan 3, 2006, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

It was really bad, yes. That picture you see is a MONTH later after he was about halfway healed. Right after it had happened it was horrific. And it was from ONE CUP of boiling water. Not a bathtub full of it like that woman used to burn her son. I heard down here that one report is that she boiled two huge pots of water and added them to water in the bathtub (straight hot water - no cold) and then dipped him in it repeatedly. A 3-year old little boy.

She's one sick m-f'er and deserves to die.

or at least a very long life in a very nasty jail

OldManMac · Jan 3, 2006, 12:44 PM

Your flip flopping on this issue, as well as no doubt others, is an excellent example of what the death penalty is really about, and that is revenge, which is based on emotional response, and not what should be a reasoned response. You want to kill someone because they killed someone. If we base our laws on emotional responses, then we become no better than the killer, and we become a nation of vigilantes. This, in turn, leaves us all exposed to possible harm by someone else who makes a mistake and subjects us to harm, based on their emotional response. What this woman did was horrendous and heinous, and society needs to protect itself from her for a very long time, possibly life, but a society that claims it operates on Christian values does not have the right to make the ultimate judgement, especially in light of it claiming that its god is the ultimate judge.

Cody Dawg · Jan 3, 2006, 01:02 PM

Well, she deserves vengeance, you're right.

I'm admitting it, okay? If God can forgive her for such a crime then God will forgive me for wishing her gone from the face of this earth.

demograph68 · Jan 3, 2006, 01:02 PM

You just know that Cody Dawg only cares because of her son's related experience with boiling water. If Jaquez was punished to death by, oh say a typewriter, then Cody wouldn't be wishing for the death penalty. (Or I'm completely wrong, which is known to occur most of the time.)

Cody Dawg · Jan 3, 2006, 01:21 PM

Yeah, you're wrong.

But Happy New Year anyway!

greenamp · Jan 3, 2006, 04:12 PM

You really don't think your views through very thoroughly do you?

ReggieX · Jan 3, 2006, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yeah, you're wrong.

But Happy New Year anyway!

What if it was a computer/laptop keyboard and not a typewriter?

Ratm · Jan 3, 2006, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

She deserves to die, period.

Give her the chair...THE CHAIR! Yeah-Yeah

meelk · Jan 3, 2006, 04:36 PM

haahaha. after all the tookie crap, you change your mind. amazing.

kmkkid · Jan 3, 2006, 05:11 PM

Why you let all this crap bother you so much is beyond me. Do us all a favour and stop watching/reading the news, and probably stop specifically looking for these disturbing stories.

greenamp · Jan 3, 2006, 05:13 PM

Or maybe sleep on your new found opinions for a few nights before making new threads about them. Or maybe just get a live journal.

Mrjinglesusa · Jan 3, 2006, 05:31 PM

Or just quit posting every news story your read that you feel you have to share your opinion on. We all have computers and can all pull up CNN.com on our own. I'm really surprised that you didn't start a thread on the increase in injuries among cheerleaders story.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/01/02....ap/index.html

ghporter · Jan 3, 2006, 05:47 PM

Maybe everyone dumping on Cody should consider that this particular issue has a really serious personal connection for her. The problem with most people's "opinions" is that they are both completely uninformed and utterly devoid of any personal connection with the issue. They are thus simply hot air. At least Cody has stated that she has reevaluated one of her beliefs and why. Good for her.

Anyone else actually ever think about any of your deeply held beliefs? Most people don't bother...

isao bered · Jan 3, 2006, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

Anyone else actually ever think about any of your deeply held beliefs?

whoa, there! i'm not so sure i appreciate your assumption that i have sufficient depth of character or personality to sustain "deeply held beliefs". ;-)

be well.

laeth

kmkkid · Jan 3, 2006, 06:11 PM

Sure this particular story has a connection to her, the 10,000 other disturbing news posts she's made however do not

ghporter · Jan 3, 2006, 06:16 PM

I'm not saying that Cody shouldn't seriously consider a blog for many of the subjects she starts threads on. But I understand this issue viscerally as well. Being a parent does that.

teknopimp · Jan 3, 2006, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

...She deserves to die, period.

yay, that's the christian sprit!

ShadowoftheColossus · Jan 3, 2006, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by demograph68

Flip Flop

tavilach · Jan 3, 2006, 06:36 PM

The problem with death is that the person is then dead. If someone did something horrendous to me or my family, I'd want them to suffer.

Then again, since much of the prison population has antisocial personality disorder, you wonder if they really deserve death or suffering. Meh. In my opinion, since a personality disorder is part of one's personality, then they should be held directly accountable for whatever they've done.

Sorry about the tangent.