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brassplayersrock² · Feb 27, 2007, 02:44 PM

Mithras

claires dad said to the haitan "go in deep, i dont want to remember a thing" or something along those lines, after he gets shot. in the preview for next weeks episode, we find claires dad in a hotel room, and if i heard/remember correctly, a lady asks, so you dont remember anything? after claires dad opens the door with a blank face.

re: the haitan power sucking skills.
the episode where silar gets into claires house, and when he was using his telekoneses to throw stuff around, after her dad and the haitan come in, siliar is unable to do it anymore. so i think he he can suck the power from others. ohhhhh

interesting thought, maybe since the haitan has a "brain power" he is able to only suck out the powers from other people with "brain powers" that would make sense.

-a

Chuckit · Feb 27, 2007, 03:59 PM

Post is all spoilers.

Originally Posted by Mithras

Cool, I caught it on iTunes. One thing I didn't understand, though --
Why didn't the Haitian shut down Ted the Red? Doesn't he have the power to "disable" other Heroes within some radius?

I take it that the Haitian has the power to block people's minds. He can stop the cop's mind-reading ability, and could probably stop Ted from intentionally going nuclear, but Ted's body was reacting automatically.

Originally Posted by Mithras

Also, just to clarify about the ending --
Was the idea that the Haitian would report back to the Company that he'd killed Mr. Bennett, who would then go into hiding? brassplayers, where did you get the suggestion that Mr. Bennett's memory would be wiped? And is the Haitian taking Claire in to the Company?

When Mr. Bennett was back at the company, his boss revealed that they thought the Haitian was responsible for keeping everybody in the dark about Claire's powers, and he'd dropped off their radar since he was found out. So they wanted to make it look like Mr. Bennett was taking Claire in while the Haitian ambushed him, wiped his mind and took Claire.

Originally Posted by Mithras

Cool, I caught it on iTunes. One thing I didn't understand, though --
Why didn't the Haitian shut down Ted the Red? Doesn't he have the power to "disable" other Heroes within some radius?

I take it that the Haitian has the power to block people's minds. He can stop the cop's mind-reading ability, and could probably stop Ted from intentionally going nuclear, but Ted's body was reacting automatically.

Originally Posted by Mithras

Also, just to clarify about the ending --
Was the idea that the Haitian would report back to the Company that he'd killed Mr. Bennett, who would then go into hiding? brassplayers, where did you get the suggestion that Mr. Bennett's memory would be wiped? And is the Haitian taking Claire in to the Company?

When Mr. Bennett was back at the company, his boss revealed that they thought the Haitian was responsible for keeping everybody in the dark about Claire's powers, and he'd dropped off their radar since he was found out. So they wanted to make it look like Mr. Bennett was taking Claire in while the Haitian ambushed him, wiped his mind and took Claire.

Gossamer · Feb 27, 2007, 04:10 PM

I still find it funny that everybody in the show, whether they knew him well or not, referred to him as "The Haitian," instead of "The Black Guy."

Big Mac · Feb 27, 2007, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

I still find it funny that everybody in the show, whether they knew him well or not, referred to him as "The Haitian," instead of "The Black Guy."

Well, to be fair, he is Haitian.

What did everyone think about Sulu being a high level official of The Company? On another note, the trailer for next week with Simone not being dead looks a little silly, but that's okay. Oh, and what does everyone make of the "final chapters" bit? Is it really possible that the show will end in one season?

jokell82 · Feb 27, 2007, 04:48 PM

Wow, last night's episode was probably the best hour of TV I've seen since the first season of Lost.

My big question is whether or not Sulu/Hiro's dad has a power. It seems that these "mutations" run in the family, so it's possible he has some kind of power. Or was Hiro adopted as well? Hmm....

Big Mac · Feb 27, 2007, 04:51 PM

My brother had a similar thought, jokell. But Hiro may very well be adopted.

Chuckit · 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

I still find it funny that everybody in the show, whether they knew him well or not, referred to him as "The Haitian," instead of "The Black Guy."

Who referred to him as "the Haitian" before they'd heard somebody else call him that?

As for Hiro's dad, he would be very old for somebody with powers. I thought Doctor Who was supposed to be one of the first.

Gossamer · Feb 27, 2007, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Who referred to him as "the Haitian" before they'd heard somebody else call him that?

As for Hiro's dad, he would be very old for somebody with powers. I thought Doctor Who was supposed to be one of the first.

I thought Parkman referred to him as "The Haitian" after the raid. He said something about not being able to read someone's thoughts when the haitian came in.

Wiskedjak · Feb 27, 2007, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

To step outside of the speculation for a second, I just thought I'd say that Heroes is nothing short of spectacular. I have yet to watch an episode and think "meh." Something important always happens, something that takes the story line further always, happens, etc.

As much as I hate to admit it, Heroes is becoming much better than LOST (obvious) and -- dare I say -- Battlestar.

Well, to be fair, Lost and Battlestar were rather spectacular in their first seasons as well. It seems that, once a show has acquired it's following, the writers start to coast a bit. What will be amazing is if Heroes is still spectacular in it's third season.

jonasmac · Feb 27, 2007, 07:43 PM

I LOVED last nights episode! And I agree that Heroes is the best hour of TV right now. 24 is a distant 2nd for me.

Anybody notice in the one of the flashbacks that the Hatian was wearing a symbol exactly like Jessica's tatoo?

brassplayersrock² · Feb 27, 2007, 09:30 PM

and still does

Big Mac · Feb 27, 2007, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by jonasmac

I LOVED last nights episode! And I agree that Heroes is the best hour of TV right now. 24 is a distant 2nd for me.

Anybody notice in the one of the flashbacks that the Hatian was wearing a symbol exactly like Jessica's tatoo?

It's also the symbol on Ando's sword, I think.

Gossamer · Feb 28, 2007, 01:09 AM

It was also on a bus stop window in the background of one shot.

nonhuman · Feb 28, 2007, 02:30 AM

The symbol is all over the place and has been since the first episode. The Haitian wears it around his neck, it's tattooed on Jessica, it was doodled on a sticky note on one copy of Dr. Suresh's book (might have been Claire's, don't remember), it's on Hiro's sword.

At one point Ando describes it as being a combination of two characters, but I don't remember what ones or what they mean...

starman · Feb 28, 2007, 02:33 AM

It was in the pool in one of the early shows also.

It's also in the data stream on the laptop.

voodoo · Feb 28, 2007, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Nebagakid

Nikki's superpower being a bipolar woman who blacks out... wow.... I just don't like her character at all.

Now Claire and Peter are my favs.

It is the most stupid superpower and the most annoying character. Unfortunately, I fear that this character will be kept alive at the end of the season.

Despite being the single most useless and hated character. Reason being 'there is good in her' and she can wear really tight jeans. Thassaboutit.

V

Chuckit · Feb 28, 2007, 12:09 PM

I wonder what would happen if Peter met Nikki.

mdc · Feb 28, 2007, 12:33 PM

I hope they kill of Nikki.
At the beginning of the show when she killed those people in her garage and we had no idea how, that was cool. Personally, I see her as far too whiny. Honestly, that side (her family) of Heroes they could ditch and I wouldn't be bothered.
Come to think of it, how do they fit into the grand scheme of save the cheerleader.

nonhuman · Feb 28, 2007, 12:44 PM

I think there's still some development to Nikki's character and power left. When she was in prison there was a scene where it looked like she was starting to be able to use the super strength on her own when she wasn't Jessica. I may have just not seen the tattoo, or maybe it was a mistake on their part, but lately I've started to wonder if maybe the strength is Nikki's power and the split personality thing is because Jessica had some ability to inhabit other people's bodies or something. If that's the case and Nikki could learn to control her power and keep Jessica at bay, maybe she could turn into a worthwhile character.

voodoo · Feb 28, 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I wonder what would happen if Peter met Nikki.

Peter's ability is the most powerful. Similar to Sylar's, but more effective since he doesn't have to kill people to gain their powers.

If Peter met Nikki he'd get a split personality, of course. That's her 'power'. I hope they kill her off, but I'm not holding my breath.

V

starman · Feb 28, 2007, 01:25 PM

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooh

I wonder if an "evil Peter" sets off the bomb.

Mithras · Feb 28, 2007, 01:31 PM

But perhaps the Haitian trumps them all. Unless Peter can absorb the Haitian's "un-power" somehow -- that'd be a nice trick.

jokell82 · Feb 28, 2007, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by mdc

I hope they kill of Nikki.
At the beginning of the show when she killed those people in her garage and we had no idea how, that was cool. Personally, I see her as far too whiny. Honestly, that side (her family) of Heroes they could ditch and I wouldn't be bothered.
Come to think of it, how do they fit into the grand scheme of save the cheerleader.

According to a recent interview with Ali Larter her personalities are going to merge and she wont really be Nikki/Jessica any more. And she's been practicing her karate and stripping for her role as a Linderman hitwoman.

And as for the "save the cheerleader" grand scheme, that's mostly been abandoned. Peter saved her, now it's on to bigger and better things.

Originally Posted by voodoo

Peter's ability is the most powerful. Similar to Sylar's, but more effective since he doesn't have to kill people to gain their powers.

If Peter met Nikki he'd get a split personality, of course. That's her 'power'. I hope they kill her off, but I'm not holding my breath.

V

Her power is her strength, not her split personalities.

:dragonflypro: · Feb 28, 2007, 02:07 PM

Niki's power isn't polarity, it is a form of 'super strength.'

Her bi-polar issues are a complication and she only seems to have full access to her ability when the 'bad side' comes out.

Yes, bi-polarism as a power would be stupid. Fortunately, it's not hers.

Wiskedjak · Feb 28, 2007, 02:44 PM

Actually, Nikki doesn't yet seem to have any powers. Jessica is the one with the super strength and perhaps also the ability to possess other people ... or at least the ability to possess Nikki.

Wiskedjak · Feb 28, 2007, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by mdc

Come to think of it, how do they fit into the grand scheme of save the cheerleader.

Well, Ando learned how to speak English thanks to Nikki

... that's all I've got ...

Wiskedjak · Feb 28, 2007, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

I think there's still some development to Nikki's character and power left. When she was in prison there was a scene where it looked like she was starting to be able to use the super strength on her own when she wasn't Jessica. I may have just not seen the tattoo, or maybe it was a mistake on their part, but lately I've started to wonder if maybe the strength is Nikki's power and the split personality thing is because Jessica had some ability to inhabit other people's bodies or something. If that's the case and Nikki could learn to control her power and keep Jessica at bay, maybe she could turn into a worthwhile character.

Interesting. Perhaps Nikki get's rid of Jessica, Jessica takes over someone else's body and becomes an evil character.

RAILhead · Feb 28, 2007, 02:58 PM

The whole mirror/reflection thing is totally stupid IMHO. That's what makes her lame.

Wiskedjak · Feb 28, 2007, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

The whole mirror/reflection thing is totally stupid IMHO. That's what makes her lame.

I suppose, but how else to you communicate a conversation between Nikki and Jessica?

jokell82 · Feb 28, 2007, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Interesting. Perhaps Nikki get's rid of Jessica, Jessica takes over someone else's body and becomes an evil character.

If you really want to know you could read the spoiler I posted above.

RAILhead · Feb 28, 2007, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

I suppose, but how else to you communicate a conversation between Nikki and Jessica?

Well, as others have said, *I* wouldn't because her character is lame -- she wouldn't be in the show to begin with. She's totally out of place (so far).

exca1ibur · Feb 28, 2007, 05:59 PM

To me shes more a head case. Peter wasn't much of anything till he learned to use his power, now he seems the most powerful of all of them, next to Sylar. If Nikki/Jessica can get their heads together, all will be fine.

nonhuman · Feb 28, 2007, 06:09 PM

Nikki/Jessica are going to become much more relevant soon, I imagine. With them working for Linderman, and Hiro going to try and steal the sword from Linderman, it's pretty much an inevitable confrontation.

Gossamer · Feb 28, 2007, 08:27 PM

Not to mention she's supposed to kill Nathan so I would bet this next episode she comes into contact with them

smacintush · Feb 28, 2007, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

And as for the "save the cheerleader" grand scheme, that's mostly been abandoned. Peter saved her, now it's on to bigger and better things.

No, they haven't really addressed how saving the cheerleader saved the world, so we don't really know how everyone will fit in the overall story.

JoshuaZ · Feb 28, 2007, 08:51 PM

Can we stop using all the spoiler tags? I mean, its like with the Battlestar thread, if you read it you should expect spoilers. Heck, everything you say could be a spoiler. Gee wiz.

Heros wiki is a great spot for info on all the powers.

Main Page - Heroes Wiki

The Haitians power only blocks out other `mential` powers around him, and he needs to touch someone to actually erase their memories. Which is why he could block out Parkman and Sylar, but not Peter and Mr. Invisable.

If you guys have not done so, you should read all the online Hero comics. They actually explain a lot of the story, and fill in random bits of info. It also fills in the backstories of several people.

I`m guessing Parkman and Mr. Bennit will be partners together, and try and work against the company to save Claire. The nice part about this show is that they can always add new people in and out of the mix. In a very comic book sort of way.

The show has already been approved for a second season. I believe that its been stated that it will have a 5 year story arch, if possible.

While Niki is kind of annoying it would be interesting to see how the whole Jessica thing works out. Its implied that her sister also had a special gift, and that Niki had no memory of her Father`s abuse because of Jessica. The general theory is that Jessica did move over her mind, and that there is a great internal conflict going on. The whole mirror thing is kind of weird, but I think its the best way to show the conflict between the two personalities.

I`m waiting for a massive fight between Sylar and Peter. Then we can see the other powers Sylar picked up along the way (like his ice powers), and also see Peter kick some butt. As opposed to just complaining and looking emo.

jokell82 · Feb 28, 2007, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

Can we stop using all the spoiler tags? I mean, its like with the Battlestar thread, if you read it you should expect spoilers. Heck, everything you say could be a spoiler. Gee wiz.

Discussing what has already aired shouldn't be tagged. However stuff like I wrote earlier could spoil FUTURE episodes, which is exactly what the spoiler tag is there for.

smacintush · Feb 28, 2007, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

Discussing what has already aired shouldn't be tagged.

Some of us Tivo it.

Nodnarb · Feb 28, 2007, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

Some of us Tivo it.

True, but if I tivo'd an episode, I wouldn't check out a forum about that show until I watched it...sort of common sense

brassplayersrock² · Feb 28, 2007, 11:51 PM

WOOHOO! my idea on the Haitan only able to stop "mind powers" was right! YES!!!!
thank you JoshuaZ
-a

i never even knew about the wiki page or havent read anything on line or else where about the show

Big Mac · Mar 1, 2007, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

No, they haven't really addressed how saving the cheerleader saved the world, so we don't really know how everyone will fit in the overall story.

I believe Claire had to be saved from Sylar because if she had been scalped Sylar would have gained her healing powers, making him essentially unstoppable. And that would have spelled doom for most every hero.

invisibleX · Mar 1, 2007, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

No, they haven't really addressed how saving the cheerleader saved the world, so we don't really know how everyone will fit in the overall story.

I assume it had a double meaning. (a) Saving the cheerleader was necessary to save the world and/or (b) you need to save the cheeleader then save the world, chronologically speaking.

smacintush · Mar 1, 2007, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Nodnarb

True, but if I tivo'd an episode, I wouldn't check out a forum about that show until I watched it...sort of common sense

Good point…

smacintush · Mar 1, 2007, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

I believe Claire had to be saved from Sylar because if she had been scalped Sylar would have gained her healing powers, making him essentially unstoppable. And that would have spelled doom for most every hero.

In Peter Petrelli's vision he says "I took his power, but I can't control it". Now that I've seen Ted in action he must be who Peter is talking about. Ted seemed like he could barely control it and in the vision Peter looked just like Ted did at the end of "Company Man" when he lost control.

For all we know, Claire my be the only one who can get close enough to stop Peter from exploding.

That's one guess anyway.

Nebagakid · Mar 1, 2007, 02:38 AM

Yeah, but wasn't Simone in Peter's vision....... ?

Chuckit · Mar 1, 2007, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

For all we know, Claire my be the only one who can get close enough to stop Peter from exploding.

That's what I thought during this last episode. I was like, "Oh, if Claire can survive this, that explains why they needed to save her to save the world."

smacintush · Mar 1, 2007, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Nebagakid

Yeah, but wasn't Simone in Peter's vision....... ?

She's also alive in the preview for next weeks episode, though that could just be part of a dream or something.

jokell82 · Mar 1, 2007, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

In Peter Petrelli's vision he says "I took his power, but I can't control it". Now that I've seen Ted in action he must be who Peter is talking about.

Or it could be Sylar he's talking about. Sylar's gained so many powers that if Peter were to take everything he had, he'd probably go into some kind of "power overload."

Big Mac · Mar 1, 2007, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

In Peter Petrelli's vision he says "I took his power, but I can't control it". Now that I've seen Ted in action he must be who Peter is talking about. Ted seemed like he could barely control it and in the vision Peter looked just like Ted did at the end of "Company Man" when he lost control.

For all we know, Claire my be the only one who can get close enough to stop Peter from exploding.

That's one guess anyway.

Yeah, Ted's "the bomb" and Peter is going to gain his power but not know how to stop it, according to the vision. I did not consider that Claire may need to defuse him.

Gossamer · Mar 1, 2007, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

In Peter Petrelli's vision he says "I took his power, but I can't control it". Now that I've seen Ted in action he must be who Peter is talking about. Ted seemed like he could barely control it and in the vision Peter looked just like Ted did at the end of "Company Man" when he lost control.

For all we know, Claire my be the only one who can get close enough to stop Peter from exploding.

That's one guess anyway.

Ted was quite in control of his power...remember how he made those little explosions in his hands while guarding Claire's family? He only lost control when he got shot and his body went crazy.