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DNA man · Jul 21, 2002, 06:40 AM

If they are real or not, we will have to see. At the minute there is a French site with leaked picture of the new G4 MT from Apple. Looks kind of interesting but are these the real deal? Check out
<a href="http://Macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-07-21#3087" target="_blank">http://Macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-07-21#3087</a>
and decide for yourself. Ugly Mac I feel.

I also figure we will see if Apple 'pulls' them later on in the day.

Mac Zealot · Jul 21, 2002, 06:47 AM

[ 07-22-2002, 07:04 AM: Message edited by: Mac Zealot ]

DNA man · Jul 21, 2002, 06:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Zealot:
Yikes! This is scary indeed.

The front is too weird, I still can't exactly make out what everything is but I can tell this:

That indeed at the top is a white speaker.... the stuff in the center is some type of removable bays?! Maybe that's where the CD drives go.

But the bottom is where I'm lost... front ports I guess?

What got me however is that board.. the board looks exactly like the mystery ebay one from a while back!<hr /></blockquote>Yes the mo-board does have a canny resemblance. This means that there will more than likely be new screens too, that may very well indeed be white. Don't like white really that much, I'd prefer the brushed metal look myself.

rjenkinson · Jul 21, 2002, 06:58 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Zealot:
But the bottom is where I'm lost... front ports I guess?
<hr /></blockquote><img src="http://www.macbidouille.com/news/Photonews10/newgpro1.gif" alt=" - " />

they're labelled as air intake vents, though firewire or USB ports would be nice.

-r.

Shame · Jul 21, 2002, 07:13 AM

Is it a fridge?

IEEE1394 · Jul 21, 2002, 07:24 AM

Audio in is back!

(assuming these are real

)

Knof8 · Jul 21, 2002, 07:41 AM

rj are your french skills really that good?! I'm impressed by them :-D. Kudos to you and thanks for translating it since I was having a hardtime.

theolein · Jul 21, 2002, 08:00 AM

Says SDRAM there on the pic of the motherboard. Not good.

Shame · Jul 21, 2002, 08:13 AM

Seven pound heatsink! Haha.

And check out the arrangement of the PCI and AGP slots. The designers want the heat to be blown out of the back of the case. But no doubt much of the heat will rise through the huge heatsink. The PCI and AGP slows on this model are placed above the CPU!! Expect the graphics chips to recieve some extra heat and cause some crashes during intensive gameplay.

CPU heat should never pass over the graphics card.

rjenkinson · Jul 21, 2002, 08:45 AM

<img src="http://ak1.aka.eonline.com/7/1480/123/0001/www.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Childstars/Images/1a.jpg" alt=" - " />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Knof8:
rj are your french skills really that good?! I'm impressed by them :-D. Kudos to you and thanks for translating it since I was having a hardtime.<hr /></blockquote>"watchyoutalkingbout, willis?" the graphic i posted came from the french site, but it's clearly in english. (or i suddenly became bilingual and didn't notice.)

-r.

JohnD · Jul 21, 2002, 08:49 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shame:
Seven pound heatsink! Haha.

And check out the arrangement of the PCI and AGP slots. The designers want the heat to be blown out of the back of the case. But no doubt much of the heat will rise through the huge heatsink. The PCI and AGP slows on this model are placed above the CPU!! Expect the graphics chips to recieve some extra heat and cause some crashes during intensive gameplay.

CPU heat should never pass over the graphics card.<hr /></blockquote>Ok ok ok ok say it...SAY IT! it's a fa.........?????

Shame · Jul 21, 2002, 08:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JohnD:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shame:
Seven pound heatsink! Haha.

And check out the arrangement of the PCI and AGP slots. The designers want the heat to be blown out of the back of the case. But no doubt much of the heat will rise through the huge heatsink. The PCI and AGP slows on this model are placed above the CPU!! Expect the graphics chips to recieve some extra heat and cause some crashes during intensive gameplay.

CPU heat should never pass over the graphics card.<hr /></blockquote>Ok ok ok ok say it...SAY IT! it's a fa.........?????<hr /></blockquote>No. I think it is real...but poor design.

JohnD · Jul 21, 2002, 08:57 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shame:
No. I think it is real...but poor design.<hr /></blockquote>OK, fair enough :-)

Ti X · Jul 21, 2002, 09:29 AM

Who voted for white anyway? Yuck. I hope the PowerBook doesn't suddenly change color with it's next revision. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

scaught · Jul 21, 2002, 09:32 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IEEE1394:
Audio in is back!

(assuming these are real

)<hr /></blockquote>wee! im happy about that too. although my imic does a pretty good job.

vmarks · Jul 21, 2002, 09:41 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by theolein:
Says SDRAM there on the pic of the motherboard. Not good.<hr /></blockquote>Says 4096MB of RAM, also. Not bad...
Of course DDR would be nice, but 4GB of RAM is nothing to sneeze at.

BrunoBruin · Jul 21, 2002, 09:42 AM

The front is just plain ugly. If this is a final design and not just something Apple kludged together for testing internals, I hope there are faceplates on the drives to cover up the metal. Or that the whole front is metal -- that would be cool.

The ONLY thing I like is that you can apparently install two optical drives. But, um, aren't the bays too NARROW?

sambeau · Jul 21, 2002, 09:46 AM

bare in mind that it's a red motherboard - so things can still change..
(or indeed it may not be the design going in the final box)

SOLIDAge · Jul 21, 2002, 09:59 AM

just when i was ready to order my new 17" iMac...great now i have to wait...curse you Jobs!!!

AlbertWu · Jul 21, 2002, 10:09 AM

<img src="http://www.macbidouille.com/news/Photonews10/1026572904.jpg" alt=" - " />

chip mounted diagonally... kinda like the nforce 2

[ 07-21-2002, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: AlbertWu ]

dav · Jul 21, 2002, 10:13 AM

ok, so how do i mod it to get a firewire port into one of those "decorative air intakes" on the front?

Ken_F2 · Jul 21, 2002, 10:23 AM

That is a huuuuuuge chip.

The case is just plain fugly, imo. I like the idea of a white case, but that metal just doesn't mix. It needs to be either all metal--as in brushed aluminum or titanium like iTunes--or all white.

Cipher13 · Jul 21, 2002, 10:40 AM

Y'know, that picture looks quite fake indeed.

The external one, anyway.

The handles: they're the old Yikes! - Mystic style handles... the hollow, ribbed ones.

The edges are terribly pixelated... many of them. It's really a terrible job, if it is a fake.

This is countered very cleverly covered by the tape, which Apple would not apply that way. Any prototype machine would come packaged as the production machines would.

It's a horrible chop-job done on the main panel. The speaker is misshapen, and smaller than the Hal-speaker.

That, and it's UGLY. Plastic with brushed aluminium? Please...

Now, it states "G5 ready" - you think Apple would allow people to swap from the G4 to G5 like that? Yeah right... unless it's a G5 already.

Same pin count as a G4? I don't know about that...

SDRAM feeding a G5? Yeah right... the G4 is starved as it is.

They NEED DDR to feed the damn things to get any performance increase, or it'll seem just like a G4 with a fancy new name.

[ 07-21-2002, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: Cipher13 ]

Oneota · Jul 21, 2002, 10:43 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sambeau:
bare in mind that it's a red motherboard - so things can still change..
(or indeed it may not be the design going in the final box)<hr /></blockquote>Indeed; I'm thinking that this is just a testing design, not the final one. At least, I *hope* it's not the final one. Yech.

JonoG4 · Jul 21, 2002, 10:46 AM

I'm thinking this is an Apple prototype from a little while back. This was probably a design that was made before apple introduced QuickSilver. I don't know if this has any significance or not, but it clearly says "� 2001" on the motherboard.

Dan Szwarc · Jul 21, 2002, 10:53 AM

The case might be faked, or a blow up of a smaller picture, but the location of the PCI slots matches those of the "red" DDR board that was on Ebay. PCI slots now on TOP instead of the bottom. Curious...

They look like Quicksilver handles to me.

As for a 7lb heat sink, has anyone weighed the G4 heat sink used now for comparison?

And in case they get pulled, here are the other pics:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/eriamjh/g4/case.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/eriamjh/g4/mobo2.jpg" alt=" - " />

Sigh. It's hideous.

[ 07-21-2002, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: Dan Szwarc ]

Justin W. Williams · Jul 21, 2002, 10:57 AM

its a photoshop job.

Cipher13 · Jul 21, 2002, 11:00 AM

I said before Yikes! - Mystic, where I meant Yikes! - V'Ger.

Anyway, the bottom is also airbrushed.

Cipher13 · Jul 21, 2002, 11:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
its a photoshop job.<hr /></blockquote>I'm even beginning to doubt that

"Photoshop job" is complimentary to this chop-job... it just reeks of MS Paint.

Infact, I'd say they used MS Paint or AppleWorks Paint, if it weren't for the airbrushed bottom part... (AW doesn't have an airbrush, dunno 'bout MS Paint), but its just SO bad... I mean... you'd have to not KNOW about the blur/smudge tool...

Dan Szwarc · Jul 21, 2002, 11:08 AM

In the PDF it says, "(up to 4 IDE or SCSI Hds + 2 CD/DVD Drives; + max 4096 MB RAM, + next generation G5 ready, + Turbine Cooling)"

Doesn't seem like something Apple would put in its own PDF.

Fake.

Nebagakid · Jul 21, 2002, 11:12 AM

well, yeah, the PDF is fake, duh!

theolein · Jul 21, 2002, 11:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Cipher13:
I said before Yikes! - Mystic, where I meant Yikes! - V'Ger.

Anyway, the bottom is also airbrushed.<hr /></blockquote>It looks to me more like the Mac is covered in shrinkwrap. But the Apple 2001 sort of gives it away. I think this must have been one of the Quicksilver prototypes (number of slots, drives etc reduced to save costs)

theolein · Jul 21, 2002, 11:19 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Cipher13:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
its a photoshop job.<hr /></blockquote>I'm even beginning to doubt that

"Photoshop job" is complimentary to this chop-job... it just reeks of MS Paint.

Infact, I'd say they used MS Paint or AppleWorks Paint, if it weren't for the airbrushed bottom part... (AW doesn't have an airbrush, dunno 'bout MS Paint), but its just SO bad... I mean... you'd have to not KNOW about the blur/smudge tool...<hr /></blockquote>AW does in fact have an airbrush, just not a very good one.

Cipher13 · Jul 21, 2002, 11:25 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by theolein:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Cipher13:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
its a photoshop job.<hr /></blockquote>I'm even beginning to doubt that

"Photoshop job" is complimentary to this chop-job... it just reeks of MS Paint.

Infact, I'd say they used MS Paint or AppleWorks Paint, if it weren't for the airbrushed bottom part... (AW doesn't have an airbrush, dunno 'bout MS Paint), but its just SO bad... I mean... you'd have to not KNOW about the blur/smudge tool...<hr /></blockquote>AW does in fact have an airbrush, just not a very good one.<hr /></blockquote>It's not really an airbrush... it's just an irregularly shaped paintbrush.

An airbrush alters the surrounding pixels too.

pcd2k · Jul 21, 2002, 11:46 AM

what if someone intentionally leaked a mock up in order to get positive crits. ?

Millennium · Jul 21, 2002, 03:58 PM

Highly unlikely.

Apple doesn't ship prototypes in their real cases. It's a prototype motherboard, but the case is a plain "generic" one. That keeps case designs from leaking.

Besides which, their prototype motherboards are also red, not green.

phantomdragonz · Jul 21, 2002, 04:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pcd2k:
what if someone intentionally leaked a mock up in order to get positive crits. ?<hr /></blockquote>well it sure backfired, not like anyone likes it... SDRAM common! yeah right! apple needs the next version to be DDR, it is a must!

DNA man · Jul 21, 2002, 04:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by phantomdragonz:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pcd2k:
what if someone intentionally leaked a mock up in order to get positive crits. ?<hr /></blockquote>well it sure backfired, not like anyone likes it... SDRAM common! yeah right! apple needs the next version to be DDR, it is a must!<hr /></blockquote>It would make no sense at all for the new PM did not have DDR. I think we can rest easy in our beds tonight that the new PM will have DDR. X-serve does have DDR and I just can't see the POWER Mac not having it. Beside, the current G4 pros would lap-up DDR and it would give them a large boost in bandwith. Now DDR and a new pro in next generation of PM would give a really large increase in bandwith...just what they (new PMs) need!

DNA man · Jul 21, 2002, 04:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pcd2k:
what if someone intentionally leaked a mock up in order to get positive crits. ?<hr /></blockquote>Yes, could be. Perhaps to get the heat off the flak being given for .mac and 10.2

11011001 · Jul 21, 2002, 04:46 PM

Getting the clear plastic, you know bag plastic, over top of the stuff like that is a heck of a job to do in photoshop. If they could do that in photoshop, then they would have fixed the pixelated bottom portion... I mean that is unbelievably easy to do, fixing the pixelated portion.

It's not a photoshop job. It's real. That pixelated edge is shadow, and also the low quality of the jpg (and the scale down from the original picture)

edit: I also just noticed the reflections... very difficult to get that kind of stuff with photoshop. And there is no way this is ms paint of appleworks. Please, that would involve transperencies, and masks...

Look through the plastic wrapping, it is picking up blue from the wall behind, the right color blue too

[ 07-21-2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: 11011001 ]

Emotionally Fragile Luke · Jul 21, 2002, 04:57 PM

Well I really want that to be a fake even though I don't think it is <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

11011001 · Jul 21, 2002, 05:17 PM

But ya, although I don't think it is a fake, I too kinda hope it is.

Well at least it's a prototype, maybe even an old one, and the actual final product will have some similar design, and hopefull DDR-SDRAM. But would that upstage the XServe??

Hmm...

But it is refreshing to see what appears to be some new hardware from Apple. In this case totally new!!! (new mobo, can't complain about that)

Scotttheking · Jul 21, 2002, 05:22 PM

FYI, SDRAM doesn't mean it's not DDR.
DDR = DDR SDRAM
PC66/100/133/150/166 etc = SDR SDRAM

Earth Mk. II · Jul 21, 2002, 05:23 PM

That can't be real.. I mean, look at it folks. It's not a dodecahedron, heck.. it doesn't even have 10 sides. <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

BTW - it looks like arse.

pathogen · Jul 21, 2002, 06:48 PM

I must be the only one who thinks it (fake or real) looks GORGEOUS!!!

WOWEE ZOWEE!!!!

::maroma:: · Jul 21, 2002, 07:10 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ti X:
Who voted for white anyway? Yuck. I hope the PowerBook doesn't suddenly change color with it's next revision.

<hr /></blockquote>I don't think it's white. Quote from the page:

"DAMN the internet moves fast! I just made that PDF in CorelDRAW last night! and e-mailed it to macrumors.com webmaster but after getting no reply I posted it on the boards earlier; THAT WAS FRIGGIN FAST!

but perhaps I've said too much.

By the way it's not white it's the same silver color G4s are now, teh image is distorted (stretched, but you knew that) the sides, top, and handles are indistinguishable from P57 (QuickSilver); just A COMPLETE change of the internal design, and front and back panel are different.
...
BTW the french site has very old pics of what's called a DVT or EVT model, many components aren't seen, like the massive heatsink; and teh MPU die is not at a 45 degree like that in the final product; the boards are blue like th XServe's..."

<shrug>

macvillage.net · Jul 21, 2002, 09:09 PM

Looks like a photoshop job to me. Just not typical of Apple to do something like that. As mentioned before it would have serious heat issues.

Looks a bit like the QS G4.

starfleetX · Jul 21, 2002, 09:26 PM

Well, at least the motherboard looks like the other leaked "eBay" mobo.

<img src="http://www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU/~ceugene/sekrit.jpg" alt=" - " />

Lerkfish · Jul 21, 2002, 09:32 PM

<img src="http://www.bzart.com/ebay/case2.jpg" alt=" - " />

just a very cursory dodge in photoshop reveals the bottom portion of the "case" has nonorganic sections with nonadjacent color palettes that are a bit too harsh to assign them as natural lossy artifacts. Close, and very well done, but photoshop job nonetheless, IMHO.

G4ME · Jul 21, 2002, 09:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dan Szwarc:
In the PDF it says, "(up to 4 IDE or SCSI Hds + 2 CD/DVD Drives; + max 4096 MB RAM, + next generation G5 ready, + Turbine Cooling )"

Doesn't seem like something Apple would put in its own PDF.

Fake.

<hr /></blockquote>OH great as if the QS were too quite they are going to stick a turbine in the damn thing to get the true Jet engine cooling sound.