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Landos Mustache · Jun 21, 2006, 03:53 PM

I have seen this happen more than once.

Does this movie poster look familular to anyone?

Perhaps I am too much of a movie buff but this is blatant.

(think 90's movies)

olePigeon · Jun 21, 2006, 03:56 PM

Are you here to torture me with your apostrophes?

Landos Mustache · Jun 21, 2006, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Are you here to torture me with your apostrophes?

Yep, get over it.

No wait, get's over it.

Railroader · Jun 21, 2006, 03:58 PM

The moth from the Silence of The Lambs movie poster?

Landos Mustache · Jun 21, 2006, 04:00 PM

Bingo. ****ing punk ass designers.

http://www.impawards.com/1991/poster...lambs_ver2.jpg

davesimondotcom · Jun 21, 2006, 04:05 PM

Wow, I've never noticed that on the moth in Silence of the Lambs.

And for those who know that movie well, there isn't and hasn't ever been a Lutheran orphanage here in Bozeman.

RAILhead · Jun 21, 2006, 04:09 PM

Well dadgum, that IS pretty blatant. I never knew the little image on the moth was a group of chicks like that. Anyone have an up-close shot of moth?

Landos Mustache · 04:17 PM

I know that skull isn't obvious but i even noticed it myself when I was 13 so it is not like it is invisible.

davesimondotcom · Jun 21, 2006, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

I know that skill isn't obvious but i even noticed it myself when I was 13 so it is not like it is invisible.

Not only did you notice it, you managed to remember it all this time later.

Maybe the designers of the new poster saw it, but didn't remember where and subconsciously did this.

Doesn't change that it's a pretty obvious "influence."

RAILhead · Jun 21, 2006, 04:19 PM

Yeah, I remember the skull -- I just never knew was it was made of.

KeyLimePi · Jun 21, 2006, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Bingo. ****ing punk ass designers.

http://www.impawards.com/1991/poster...lambs_ver2.jpg

Dude, what the f@#$ are you talking about?

Landos Mustache · Jun 21, 2006, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

Not only did you notice it, you managed to remember it all this time later.

Maybe the designers of the new poster saw it, but didn't remember where and subconsciously did this.

Doesn't change that it's a pretty obvious "influence."

I admit I do see more than the average person as yes I am a designer and very visual BUT no way in hell is it an accident or sub-consious.

I mean look at the layout, even the woman at the bottom is laying in the same direction and has her legs bent. Everything lines up perfectly.

If I had to do it from memory right now I wouldn't even get it spot on like that.

It isn't an influence either, all they did was take the silence of the lamb skill and make it the whole poster. They did not copy it and make it their own by adding some unique new twist on it.

****ers.

KeyLimePi · Jun 21, 2006, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

I admit I do see more than the average person as yes I am a designer and very visual...

****ers.

Too bad you don't read more than the average person. Look up a guy named Salvadore Dali sometime. You'll be enlightened.

davesimondotcom · Jun 21, 2006, 04:37 PM

I'd agree that it's pretty much a rip-off and not just sub-conscious.

Landos Mustache · Jun 21, 2006, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by KeyLimePi

Too bad you don't read more than the average person. Look up a guy named Salvadore Dali sometime. You'll be enlightened.

Ya I've already seen that....

http://www.posterwire.com/wp-content..._the_lambs.jpg

So are you pulling the Gates quote of "just because Steve broke into Xerox and stole the TV doesn't mean I can't break in after and steal the VCR?"

Point is SOTL did it about 15 years ago now these fools come and do it again!?

andi*pandi · Jun 21, 2006, 04:42 PM

If you hadn't pointed it out, I wouldn't have noticed--then I looked very closely at the moth and saw how the skull there was made up of figures, I would have never seen that on my own.

Then again, I can't do those magic eye things either.

KeyLimePi · Jun 21, 2006, 04:55 PM

Hey, your Google works. Good.

Look I've seen 'the skull orgy' or some similar version of it in a dozen different of places. It's shameless but hardly considered a "rip-off" since it's such a well known image.

Besides, based on your original post I'm guessing you hadn't seen the Dali image before today. Don't sweat it. Maybe you were out the day they taught Dali in design school. But here's a tip...if you see a movie poster with a bunch of Campbell's soup cans stacked in it...think before you rant.

andi*pandi · Jun 21, 2006, 04:57 PM

hey, I studied dali in college, and never recognized that. I don't think that's one of the ones we covered--is it considered one of his most famous?

Landos Mustache · Jun 21, 2006, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by KeyLimePi

Hey, your Google works. Good.

Look I've seen 'the skull orgy' or some similar version of it in a dozen different of places. It's shameless but hardly considered a "rip-off" since it's such a well known image.

Besides, based on your original post I'm guessing you hadn't seen the Dali image before today. Don't sweat it. Maybe you were out the day they taught Dali in design school. But here's a tip...if you see a movie poster with a bunch of Campbell's soup cans stacked in it...think before you rant.

There was no "dali" class in school, guess mine isn't as fancy as yours

Also I had seen it before, both me and my sister have Dali books and posters.

Either way it doesn't matter. SOTL did it first, now these losers do the same thing this much later? It is a copy either way.

I would love to know if the Descent got permission from whoever owns the Dali rights.

KeyLimePi · Jun 21, 2006, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Either way it doesn't matter. SOTL did it first, now these losers do the same thing this much later? It is a copy either way.

Dude, it is NOT a copy. The designers of the SOTL poster used historical imagery in their poster. Does that mean no one can ever use that image in a movie poster again?? Would it be a rip-off if someone used part of the Mona Lisa in a poster just because the producers of the DaVinci Code did?

Now, if you want to argue that the Descent poster is a Dali rip-off then I suppose you're entitled, but c'mon. The STOL poster is great and NOTHING like the Descent poster.

Landos Mustache · Jun 21, 2006, 05:06 PM

Whatever

You the designer or something?

RAILhead · Jun 21, 2006, 05:08 PM

K, I'd never seen the Dali pic before, so the Descent pic isn't a ripoff of SOTL, but a use of the Dali image. So, the Descent pick is no more a ripoff than the SOTL pic.

Case closed.

dialo · Jun 21, 2006, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Ya I've already seen that....

http://www.posterwire.com/wp-content..._the_lambs.jpg

LOL. Yeah, sure you had.

Your ealier posts make it abundantly clear that you hadn't.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 21, 2006, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by dialo

LOL. Yeah, sure you had.

Your ealier posts make it abundantly clear that you hadn't.

Pff, riiiiiiight

You want me to scan my book that has it in it?

::maroma:: · Jun 21, 2006, 06:13 PM

Yeah thats a blatent ripoff. The trouble with being a graphic designer is that you immerse yourself in design. You read tons of design mags, visit countless design websites, you view almost everything you see in the world with a critical designer's eye. And the problem with that is your memory isn't all that great. You see something really cool and inspiring, and then it gets put in the back of your mind. Fast forward 5+ years or so and you are working on a project and have (what you think is) an awesome idea for your design. Only problem is, your awesome idea is just something you saw a long time ago that stuck in your head. But you can't remember where you saw it, and you don't make the connection that it was something you've seen before.

I'm not making excuses for this, I'm just saying it happens. Its a real problem for designers. The real error in this instance comes from the fact that there were probably about 15-20 people who saw this design, and approved it before it went out the door. So either no one made that connection, or they did and decided to go with it anyways.

EDIT: OK it took me way too long to post this, and I find that this imagery was taken from a Dali painting. So the argument has taken a different turn than my post explains. But my point is, designers often lose where their inspiration comes from, and sometimes accidentally copy things. But this is a different matter, so ignore my long winded post.

kmkkid · Jun 21, 2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by KeyLimePi

Dude, it is NOT a copy. The designers of the SOTL poster used historical imagery in their poster. Does that mean no one can ever use that image in a movie poster again?? Would it be a rip-off if someone used part of the Mona Lisa in a poster just because the producers of the DaVinci Code did?

Now, if you want to argue that the Descent poster is a Dali rip-off then I suppose you're entitled, but c'mon. The STOL poster is great and NOTHING like the Descent poster.

No nudity, forum rules!

ick, breasts are fugly

davesimondotcom · Jun 21, 2006, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

ick, breasts are fugly

Only in Canada.™

Eug Wanker · Jun 21, 2006, 10:35 PM

Maybe they just assumed people already knew that.

I see visual references to prior art all the time, not with the intent to copy, but with the intent to grab someone's attention with the familiar. Often times it's just cheesy, but often times it works quite well.

I must admit that I didn't recognize the Dali reference in this poster, but nonetheless, I do like it. I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I definitely do agree though that just because a movie poster had it doesn't mean they can't use it.

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Are you here to torture me with your apostrophes?

While I strictly use "90s", my understanding is that "90's" is not necessarily incorrect. In fact, "90's" used to be the norm.

hey!_Zeus · Jun 22, 2006, 04:46 PM

Railroader · Jun 22, 2006, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Maybe they just assumed people already knew that.

I see visual references to prior art all the time, not with the intent to copy, but with the intent to grab someone's attention with the familiar. Often times it's just cheesy, but often times it works quite well.

I must admit that I didn't recognize the Dali reference in this poster, but nonetheless, I do like it. I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I definitely do agree though that just because a movie poster had it doesn't mean they can't use it.

While I strictly use "90s", my understanding is that "90's" is not necessarily incorrect. In fact, "90's" used to be the norm.

Or even: " '90s "

ironknee · Jun 22, 2006, 10:59 PM

Otto Preminger's Anatomy of a Murder 1959

Spike Lee's Clocker 1995

now THAT's a ripoff

DeathMan · Jun 23, 2006, 01:26 AM

The iconic nature of Preminger's poster leads to me to say the Cloker one is more homage than ripoff.

Nice catch by KeyLimePi. I'm in agreement, at least the SOTL was a unique and subtle usage. Much better in my opinion.

Shaddim · Jun 23, 2006, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by andi*pandi

hey, I studied dali in college, and never recognized that. I don't think that's one of the ones we covered--is it considered one of his most famous?

No, but it is in one of my Dali books. It's always been a personal favorite.

davesimondotcom · Jun 23, 2006, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by DeathMan

The iconic nature of Preminger's poster leads to me to say the Cloker one is more homage than ripoff.

The Clocker's poster is a clear homage, but not to Preminger - to Saul Bass, who designed the Anatomy of a Murder poster.

ironknee · Jun 24, 2006, 05:11 PM

i disagree that the clockers' poster is mearly a homage. with the movie, jumgle feaver, the poster was a ripoff of photo by herb lubalin.

i think whoever that guy was probably had a lot of design books around and thought who'll know?

jca · Jun 25, 2006, 01:01 PM

Well, since someone linked directly to an image without mentioning the original site's posts, some might find these articles interesting:

http://posterwire.com/archives/2006/...f-the-descent/

http://posterwire.com/archives/2005/...-of-the-lambs/

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Jun 25, 2006, 01:34 PM

The worst design element is actually that they inverted the dark and light space. Completely blows the impact that the Dali original has.

Jasoco · Jun 25, 2006, 01:45 PM

I do. I had never noticed what the skull was made up of. Nor had I evr seen the original Dali photo either. Interesting.

pooka · Jun 25, 2006, 02:00 PM

That poster is beyond stupid. I mean, really look at it. It looks like some lame ass cheerleading move.

kaze0 · Jun 26, 2006, 09:16 AM

Cmonnnnnnnn