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Saw it last night. It’s the weakest movie of the new batch but still had its moments. I’ll be glad once the series can continue free of the baggage of the original movies. Probably why I enjoyed Rogue One the best.

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It’s hard for me to rank them. The Force Awakens had a problem with unrealized potential. Rogue One had characters I couldn’t stand.
     
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Let’s just say the only movie I’d have interest in revisiting soon is Rogue One, if for nothing else than its nice self-contained package and amazing Vader scene.

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The best part of either movie is in Rogue One, but for me it’s not Vader, it’s putting all the fifth-string action figures I used to have firefights with... in Vietnam.

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Dec 18, 2017, 10:10 AM
 
I loved it. It wasn't the Godfather, but a very enjoyable two hours or so.

My only issue was the whole casino subplot- it could have been cut entirely.
     
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Dec 18, 2017, 02:47 PM
 
I’m meh on it. Not sure why. Feels like high-budget fan fiction.

I’m hoping we get to see what Lucas was planning for this trilogy, at some point... especially since Disney isn’t using any of his ideas AFAIK.
     
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Dec 23, 2017, 10:59 PM
 
One thing I really appreciated in this movie was the music.

I'm getting really really tired of the music in most superhero/comic-book movies. The low bassy sounds, the "epic" horns playing long tones, all the percussion drum whacks. It's fine, but it all kind of sounds the same after a while - you could pretty much just recycle the music from any of these sorts of movies and nobody would notice a thing. In Last Jedi not only did you get Star Wars-y music, but the John Williams use of recurring motifs, and use of instruments playing actual content rather than pyrotechnics and sounds (i.e. the aforementioned effects) was swell.

You kind of take it for granted after a while, but it adds a massive dimension. It will be a sad day when John Williams retires.
     
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Dec 24, 2017, 07:16 PM
 
Rian cut to the soundtrack vs. temp audio, which helps.
     
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Didn't know that.... Maybe that sort of operatic approach should be utilized more often in cinema then?
     
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Dec 24, 2017, 07:33 PM
 
Originally Posted by Brien View Post
I’m meh on it. Not sure why. Feels like high-budget fan fiction.

I’m hoping we get to see what Lucas was planning for this trilogy, at some point... especially since Disney isn’t using any of his ideas AFAIK.
Haven’t seen it yet, but this is just a reminder that George Lucas re-released Episodes 4-6 with “additional scenes” and then wrote and directed Episodes 1-3. Also, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. He owns four of the most disappointing big-budget action movies of the 2000s. His ideas were extremely terrible and these past three Star Wars movies, while not perfect, have clearly been waaaaay better than anything George Lucas could ever have produced.

Let’s all keep that in mind before wishing for George Lucas.
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Dec 24, 2017, 07:46 PM
 
Hell yeah.

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Dec 26, 2017, 12:27 PM
 
We saw it last night, and while we had fun with some plot nitpicking, we all enjoyed it.
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
I loved it. It wasn't the Godfather, but a very enjoyable two hours or so.

My only issue was the whole casino subplot- it could have been cut entirely.
i wonder if we might expect to see Del Toro's character again in Episode 9 or beyond.

While I thought the music was perfectly fine, none of the new ones have matched Duel of the Fates yet, arguably the best part of ep 1.
I wasn't overly impressed with the lightsaber combat. Could do better.

 



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Above and beyond any plot issues ( yes, loose the entire casino section), Star Wars completely owns the use of excellent female characters award. Extremely well done.

The actual film, less so.
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i still think the Empire/1st Order/Dark Side is a little light on the lady front. Otherwise you're correct, the rebels have lots of ace girls, though now I think, plenty of generals and soldiers, not so many pilots.
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While it had problems, I liked it more than the first two.

I can see how serious Star Wars types dislike it. It pretty consciously separates itself from what came before.
     
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Waragainstsleep - They need cannon fodder. Or is it laser fodder.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
 
Ewww.

I mean, it was (deliberately) "eww" in the movie, already (the milking/drinking bit, not bathroom-Kylo), but…

Eww.
     
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Unrelated to got milk...

 
     
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I saw it the Saturday after it was released, and I enjoyed it tremendously.

 
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Unrelated to got milk...

 
 
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I saw it the Saturday after it was released, and I enjoyed it tremendously.

 
 
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Why did they keep the plan a secret from Poe? When he was told the real plan, he accepted it as a good plan, right? But because he wasn't told the plan, he launched the secret plan that accomplished nothing and got most of the escape pods shot down, right?
     
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Unrelated to Got Poe...

 
     
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That's what I assumed.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Why did they keep the plan a secret from Poe? When he was told the real plan, he accepted it as a good plan, right? But because he wasn't told the plan, he launched the secret plan that accomplished nothing and got most of the escape pods shot down, right?
As the last person on the planet to see this movie (just got back from it now), this bothered me as well. That mistake basically lost the rebels about half the transports, and it is barely touched upon.

In general...

* They used scenes from the original trilogy and then subverted them - both the Kylo Ren-Luke fight and the scene where Snoke bites the dust have a clear predecessor from an earlier movie, and both of them ended differently. They also did not do anything with Luke's underwater X-wing.
* This movie does not stand on its own - it makes no sense without the preceding movie, and it needs another movie for its ending.
* I think that Luke was supposed to die there at the end, but that that was now retconned because of Carrie Fisher's death to be more open-ended. I think they need him in the next movie for something.
* A big chunk of the plot - namely, the entire trip out to find a codebreaker - made no sense at that point in the movie. It seems put there to give Finn something to do, as he would have been cooling his heels throughout otherwise.
* Having the X-wings land in the cruisers before the jump goes against what we have seen in previous movies. The X-wings would have been flying alongside the fleet as a guard, like in ESB, which would also have killed the entire plot point of Poe's X-wing being destroyed without him in it. The only reason to do it that way is to set up the codebreaker subplot
* Luke looked a lot like Tyrion Lannister when de-aged.
* Best part of the movie was the Infinity War trailer before. The movie wasn't bad, exactly, but it lives on its musical score and by having no real weak spots. I found myself... not really caring who wins. Kylo Ren is an idiot, and he's not going to rule the galaxy for a thousand years like the Emperor might have. If he wins this time, another rebellion will rise.
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Mar 12, 2018, 11:17 AM
 
Leia should have gone out on the frozen death scene, Her floating back into the ship was frankly ridiculous. Given Fishers untimely death they had plenty of time to edit in a great end to a great character. as it is Leia will just disappear!
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This is still a kid’s movie, right?
     
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Leia should have gone out on the frozen death scene, Her floating back into the ship was frankly ridiculous. Given Fishers untimely death they had plenty of time to edit in a great end to a great character. as it is Leia will just disappear!
I thought of that too but the problem is that you can't kill Leia from a random laser blast. If it was Kylo that would be one thing. They could have restructured that scene in which he did cause the explosion directly and that would have given Fisher her out, but maybe they have an idea for IX.

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just read story about how you can see Laura Dern pew pewing as she fires her gun.

Win!
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As the last person on the planet to see this movie...
Incorrect. I just watched last Friday.

And I'm incredibly disappointed. I won't offer any specific opinions until I've read through the rest of the thread, but it's nearly as bad as Episode I for me.
     
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just read story about how you can see Laura Dern pew pewing as she fires her gun.

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Originally Posted by Jawbone54 View Post
Incorrect. I just watched last Friday.

And I'm incredibly disappointed. I won't offer any specific opinions until I've read through the rest of the thread, but it's nearly as bad as Episode I for me.
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