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Rumsfield Arrested for WAR CRIMES in Germany (Page 2)
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The childish troll is gone, so please get back on topic. This thread is not about Nazis and where they fall in the political spectrum.
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Originally posted by Sherwin:
That logic doesn't follow. If someone paid me to file a complaint with the authorities on Pluto 'coz some people on Jupiter had annoyed them, I'd do it - regardless of the fact that I probably wouldn't even know if said offence was prosecutable under Plutonian law.
Anyways. Wasn't Helmut Kohl in the Hitler Youth or something? Part of the Nazi machine? And Germany voted for him? Doesn't that make everyone who voted him in as guilty of neglecting human rights as Rummy? Perhaps more guilty - Germany knew who Kohl was, whereas Rummy probably didn't know a thing about the frat parties in Abu Ghraib until the news broke it.
I'll have to make a note to myself to file proceedings against the entire population of Germany.
No, the person involved is apparently a Turkish-German, so Germany does have a say in all that. Likewise, the US does have a say if an American is charged with a crime in Germany.
Nevertheless (if you have followed the news), the public prosecutor (Generalbundesanwalt Nehm) has declined to start legal proceedings. I don't see the point of these arguments here: Germany is a democracy, so we have rules about how to deal with legal complaints. Those rules and regulations were applied and it was determined that there will be no further investigations. No harm done.
I won't even touch the rest of your post.
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Originally posted by Spliff:
Legalese kills me every time. So what if a diplomat rapes a woman in a different country? Or drives drunk and kills someone? Is he immune then?
Yes, unless the country this diplomat is from strips him of this privilege and allows prosecution.
AFAIK, they don't even have to pay speeding tickets and the likes 
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Ti, in the interests of redress (hey, it's not like this thread has any further on-topic life left in it anyways):
Originally posted by TETENAL:
I have seen other members here being deceived by the word "socialist" in the party's name "National socialist worker's party". I don't know why.
I have seen many people deceived by Hitler's hatred of the Marxists, which leads them to believe that the Nazis weren't socialist.
Why did Hitler hate the Marxists so much? Because trade unions and suchlike stole his power.
Why did Hitler hate the Jews? Because they were capitalist.
Originally written by Adolf Hitler, 16/9/1919:
And since even the Jew's feelings are limited to the purely material realm, his thoughts and ambitions are bound to be so even more strongly. Their dance around the golden calf becomes a ruthless struggle for all the possessions that we feel deep down are not the highest and not the only ones worth striving for on this earth.
The value of an individual is no longer determined by his character or by the significance of his achievements for the community, but solely by the size of his fortune, his wealth.
The greatness of a nation is no longer measured by the sum of its moral and spiritual resources, but only by the wealth of its material possessions.
All this results in that mental attitude and that quest for money and the power to protect it which allow the Jew to become so unscrupulous in his choice of means, so merciless in their use of his own ends. In autocratic states he cringes before the 'majesty' of the princes and misuses their favors to become a leech on their people.
In democracies he vies for the favor of the masses, cringes before 'the majesty of the people', but only recognizes the majesty of money.
He saps the prince's character with Byzantine flattery; national pride and the strength of the nation with ridicule and shameless seduction to vice. His method of battle is that public opinion which is never expressed in the press but which is nonetheless manages and falsified by it. His power is the power of the money, which multiplies in his hands effortlessly and endlessly through interest, and with which he imposes a yoke upon the nation that is the more pernicious in that its glitter disguises its ultimately tragic consequences. Everything that makes the people strive for higher goals, be it religion, socialism, or democracy, is to the Jew merely a means to an end, the way to satisfy his greed and thirst for power.
Sounds like your standard leftie rant to me.
The only reason why modern lefties try to tar the Nazis as "right-wing" is so they don't somehow tarnish their own political cause. Period.
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Originally posted by Sherwin:
Ti, in the interests of redress (hey, it's not like this thread has any further on-topic life left in it anyways):
I have seen many people deceived by Hitler's hatred of the Marxists, which leads them to believe that the Nazis weren't socialist.
Why did Hitler hate the Marxists so much? Because trade unions and suchlike stole his power.
Why did Hitler hate the Jews? Because they were capitalist.
Sounds like your standard leftie rant to me.
The only reason why modern lefties try to tar the Nazis as "right-wing" is so they don't somehow tarnish their own political cause. Period.
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Anyways, back to the topic at hand...
Do some serious reading before you spread this kind of stuff. National Socialism has very little to do with Socialism (it's in the name, but that's about all). If you want to find out more, I suggest you start reading one of the standard volumes by Hans-Ulrich Thamer which is the definite text (written during the Cold War) on the subject.
He takes the NS ideology apart and tracks down its different roots. His conclusion (roughly speaking) is that it is a mixture of incompatible ideologies.
If you are short of time, just look at the actual historic facts: the NS movement was a counter reaction to the Communist movement and it was embraced by the conservative elite which paved the way for Hitler's success (with opinions ranging from `the lesser of two evis' and open sympathy).
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Originally posted by OreoCookie:
If you are short of time, just look at the actual historic facts: the NS movement was a counter reaction to the Communist movement and it was embraced by the conservative elite which paved the way for Hitler's success (with opinions ranging from `the lesser of two evis' and open sympathy).
A challenge for you:
Explain why Hitler hated Jews so much.
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Because Bill O'Reilly told them that Nazi's were Socialists. Therefore it is true. He has said it many times. Since it has the word socialist, it is left-wing.
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Originally posted by Sherwin:
A challenge for you:
Explain why Hitler hated Jews so much.
Just what has that got to do with left/right? Damn near everybody has hated the Jews at some point.
Sherwin, I gotta say you are proving yourself a true mental midget.
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Originally posted by malvolio:
Just what has that got to do with left/right? Damn near everybody has hated the Jews at some point.
Think about that for a while. Damn near everybody like who?
Originally posted by malvolio:
Sherwin, I gotta say you are proving yourself a true mental midget.
Uh huh. Can't answer the question so resort to childish banter. Ask yourself if that's the mark of a mental giant.
If you're the mental giant you think you are, answer the question. It should be easy for you.
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Originally posted by Sherwin:
Uh huh. Can't answer the question so resort to childish banter. Ask yourself if that's the mark of a mental giant.
If you're the mental giant you think you are, answer the question. It should be easy for you.
Hitler hated the Jews because he grew up in a culture with a strong anti-Semitic streak, feared he was part Jewish himself, needed an easily identifiable internal "enemy", and was a psychopath.
"National socialism" is total misnomer, just like Dubya's "compassionate conservatism."
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Originally posted by malvolio:
Hitler hated the Jews because he grew up in a culture with a strong anti-Semitic streak, feared he was part Jewish himself, needed an easily identifiable internal "enemy", and was a psychopath.
"National socialism" is total misnomer, just like Dubya's "compassionate conservatism."
Nothing to do with the following that he wrote then?
And since even the Jew's feelings are limited to the purely material realm, his thoughts and ambitions are bound to be so even more strongly. Their dance around the golden calf becomes a ruthless struggle for all the possessions that we feel deep down are not the highest and not the only ones worth striving for on this earth.
The value of an individual is no longer determined by his character or by the significance of his achievements for the community, but solely by the size of his fortune, his wealth.
The greatness of a nation is no longer measured by the sum of its moral and spiritual resources, but only by the wealth of its material possessions.
All this results in that mental attitude and that quest for money and the power to protect it which allow the Jew to become so unscrupulous in his choice of means, so merciless in their use of his own ends. In autocratic states he cringes before the 'majesty' of the princes and misuses their favors to become a leech on their people.
In democracies he vies for the favor of the masses, cringes before 'the majesty of the people', but only recognizes the majesty of money.
He saps the prince's character with Byzantine flattery; national pride and the strength of the nation with ridicule and shameless seduction to vice. His method of battle is that public opinion which is never expressed in the press but which is nonetheless manages and falsified by it. His power is the power of the money, which multiplies in his hands effortlessly and endlessly through interest, and with which he imposes a yoke upon the nation that is the more pernicious in that its glitter disguises its ultimately tragic consequences. Everything that makes the people strive for higher goals, be it religion, socialism, or democracy, is to the Jew merely a means to an end, the way to satisfy his greed and thirst for power.
The results of his works is racial tuberculosis of the nation.
And this has the following consequences: purely emotional antisemitism finds its final expression in the form of pogroms. Rational antisemitism, by contrast, must lead to a systematic and legal struggle against, and eradication of, the privileges the Jews enjoy over the other foreigners living among us (Alien Laws). Its final objective, however, must be the total removal of all Jews from our midst. Both objectives can only be achieved by a government of national strength and not one of national impotence.
Ring any bells with modern-day anti-capitalists?
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Originally posted by Sherwin:
Ring any bells with modern-day anti-capitalists?
No, nothing in the passage you quoted reminds me in any way of "modern-day anti-capitalists."
Your "arguments" are full of non-sequiturs and statements that bear no relation to the topics you are supposedly discussing. I see no point in reading or responding to any more of your posts.
Time for the Ignore button. 
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Sherwin, would you mind sharing the source of your Hitler quotes?
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Sherwin, the Hitler quote that you posted (real or not) was nothing more than an attempt to justify his psychopathic hatred of Jews. And his references to Jews who "dance around the golden calf" and value wealth above all else certainly does not remind me of "anti-capitalists" of any era.
In fact, Hitler's description of the evil social effects of the Jews sounds more like what the Bushies are doing today.
Sherwin, you are utterly clueless. The Ignore button has been used.
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Originally posted by malvolio:
Sherwin, the Hitler quote that you posted (real or not) was nothing more than an attempt to justify his psychopathic hatred of Jews.
So Hitler hated the Jews for no reason but found one later on to justify his hatred? Yeah, right.
Originally posted by malvolio:
And his references to Jews who "dance around the golden calf" and value wealth above all else certainly does not remind me of "anti-capitalists" of any era.
Try any working mans' club in the UK.
Originally posted by malvolio:
In fact, Hitler's description of the evil social effects of the Jews sounds more like what the Bushies are doing today.
Originally posted by malvolio:
Sherwin, you are utterly clueless. The Ignore button has been used.
Again? Have you actually pressed it this time?
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