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mrfett · Jul 8, 2002, 05:19 AM

I haven't tried Mozilla for OS X yet. Is it worth it? The X11 version is so fast, it's turning into my main browser. Is the speed as good in OS X?

P · Jul 8, 2002, 06:06 AM

Rendering-wise: yes. Responsiveness: no. But give it a shot to see if it's fast enough for you - Quartz text rendering is worth a lot of speed...

BTP · Jul 8, 2002, 06:44 AM

For me, Mach-O is really great. Worth a try.

Gul Banana · Jul 8, 2002, 12:31 PM

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mrfett · Jul 8, 2002, 01:19 PM

i tried it last night and wasn't as impressed. i'm still on X11 rootless. i liked the setup so much, i have xdarwin load at startup, and put mozilla in my .xinitrc (i'm about to include gtk-gnutella).

what's mach-o?

it'll be interesting to see what jaguar brings, speed-wise.

[ 07-08-2002, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: mrfett ]

bmedina · Jul 8, 2002, 02:01 PM

Isn't scrolling horribly slow for you with Mozilla under X11?

mrfett · Jul 8, 2002, 02:08 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bmedina:
Isn't scrolling horribly slow for you with Mozilla under X11?<hr /></blockquote>no, actually. it's just fine. i'm using mozilla 1.0.

starfleetX · Jul 8, 2002, 10:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mrfett:
what's mach-o?<hr /></blockquote>That's the newer brand of carbon that includes many unix under-the-hood improvements over the old CFM version. It's faster and uses less memory, but the interface is a bit lacking, as most keyboard shortcuts are broken. Also, the file picker for downloading is busted.

<a href="http://chimera.mozdev.org/" target="_blank">Chimera</a> uses Mach-O, though, and is looking to become an excellent "browser only" alternative to Mozilla. Chimera uses a native Cocoa toolbar and Cocoa preferences dialog. Plus, Chimera has working downloads (well, you have to right-click or option-click to get them started). If you're interested, I suggest you pick up the <a href="ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/nightly/latest-trunk/Chimera.dmg.gz" target="_blank">nightly build</a>.

I much prefer Chimera to plain-old Mach-O Mozilla.

mrfett · Jul 9, 2002, 03:01 AM

so which one am i using? i got it from the unstable tree in fink and compiled it myself. i assume it's neither mach-o nor cfm, right? i visited the fizzilla page, but it gets a little confusing with all the different versions. is chimera part of the fizzilla thing?

P · Jul 9, 2002, 03:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starfleetX:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mrfett:
what's mach-o?<hr /></blockquote>That's the newer brand of carbon that includes many unix under-the-hood improvements over the old CFM version. It's faster and uses less memory, but the interface is a bit lacking, as most keyboard shortcuts are broken. Also, the file picker for downloading is busted.
<hr /></blockquote>All correct wrt the program Mach-O Mozilla. Mach-O itself is the native linker format of Mac OS X. There's still support for the older PPC Mac OS 9 format called CFM, but that is via a shim program "LaunchCFMApp" - a Mach-O program that can read CFM. Using this shim is slower than using the native format, but it is nonetheless common.