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macroy · Nov 15, 2005, 11:54 PM

So I felt really bad for this girl with all that she had to go through. But a part of me also wants to smack her and say "how dumb can you get?".

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1297922&page=1

rickey939 · Nov 15, 2005, 11:58 PM

Wow, just wow.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 16, 2005, 12:07 AM

I'm not sure what's worse. The fact hat it happened, or the fact that ABC was ****ing inconsiderate enough to put a ****ing video of her online so all her classmates and whatnot can download it and see her.

effgee · Nov 16, 2005, 12:13 AM

They call that news?? Dear God ...

smacintush · Nov 16, 2005, 12:14 AM

It's hard to believe people can be that frickin' stupid.

Doofy · Nov 16, 2005, 12:16 AM

What the hell is wrong with people?

(not referencing the victim here - she's young enough to not know how the world works yet)

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 16, 2005, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

It's hard to believe people can be that frickin' stupid.

Dude. You should see what chicks will do for beads.

Weyland-Yutani · Nov 16, 2005, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

What the hell is wrong with people?

(not referencing the victim here - she's young enough to not know how the world works yet)

Yes

There are sick, evil and twisted people out there. Unfortunately there are always some innocent people who fall for their tricks. And harm is done.

W-Y

Mastrap · Nov 16, 2005, 12:34 AM

All three are pleading not guilty?

Wtf?

Chuckit · Nov 16, 2005, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by macroy

So I felt really bad for this girl with all that she had to go through. But a part of me also wants to smack her and say "how dumb can you get?".

People can get very dumb when they're afraid. I want to smack her manager.

Atomic Rooster · Nov 16, 2005, 12:53 AM

The whole story was on 20/20 last Friday night and there was an interview with the girl so I would imagine they have permission to have it on the intraweb. It WAS on national TV after all.

The old bag is being charged and sued.

JoshuaZ · Nov 16, 2005, 01:01 AM

Sue MD. I mean, any jury who would hear that would clearly give that girl $. Plus it would help out her mother.

Tesseract · Nov 16, 2005, 01:03 AM

For people saying/implying she is dumb:

She did not consent to any of this. The caller convinced other employees to torture her, and the McDonalds manager went along with this. The others are the idiots here.

strictlyplaid · Nov 16, 2005, 01:07 AM

Wow. Just... wow. Reminds me of those old Milgrom experiments where they got college students to torture each other in a mock prison.

Atomic Rooster · Nov 16, 2005, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Tesseract

For people saying/implying she is dumb:

She did not consent to any of this. The caller convinced other employees to torture her, and the McDonalds manager went along with this. The others are the idiots here.

And all are being charged.

MacDonald's will settle this out of court for big bucks.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 16, 2005, 01:16 AM

Seriously, wtf was her problem? She should have just left.

DeathToWindows · Nov 16, 2005, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by strictlyplaid

Wow. Just... wow. Reminds me of those old Milgrom experiments where they got college students to torture each other in a mock prison.

You've confused two classic obedience experiments:

Milgram's 1950s shock-learning experiments in which subjects were lead to believe that they were injuring the "learner" showed the truly scary power of obedience to authority.

The Stanford Prison Study by Zimbardo in the 70s showed how readily people will adopt roles.

MM-o4 · Nov 16, 2005, 01:23 AM

you're ask to strip and you don't start thinking that this sh!t is real.
Poor girl. Told to run on the spot? That is shameless.

MM

Volks · 01:44 AM

Sucks for the girl. But anyone who believes for a second that a cop would call them on the phone and order them to do something is really out to lunch. I'm glad the manager was fired, because she is a complete moron and a danger to others.

The caller didn't committ any crime either. Taking advantage and making fun of imbeciles is never a crime.

Teronzhul · Nov 16, 2005, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Seriously, wtf was her problem? She should have just left.

It's difficult to tell whether they would have let her leave or not. Initially she was alone in the room with the assistant manager, but then there was another larger girl present during the stripping apparently keeping there. Later the guy is obviously blocking the door.

Still, she never really seems to protest or do anything that would really indicate that she found the situation overly unreasonable. At some point one has to take some action, like give them the finger or at least start screaming for help and breaking things. For most people I think this would occur prior to "give this random guy a bj."

Everyone involved in this story is completely retarded.

btw, i posted this story in another thread a couple days ago

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 16, 2005, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Teronzhul

Still, she never really seems to protest or do anything that would really indicate that she found the situation overly unreasonable. At some point one has to take some action, like give them the finger or at least start screaming for help and breaking things. For most people I think this would occur prior to "give this random guy a bj."

I think it would start the moment then tell you to take off your clothes.

strictlyplaid · Nov 16, 2005, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by DeathToWindows

You've confused two classic obedience experiments:

Milgram's 1950s shock-learning experiments in which subjects were lead to believe that they were injuring the "learner" showed the truly scary power of obedience to authority.

The Stanford Prison Study by Zimbardo in the 70s showed how readily people will adopt roles.

Ah... right on. Good thing my degree's not in Psych!

TETENAL · Nov 16, 2005, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Volks

The caller didn't committ any crime either. Taking advantage and making fun of imbeciles is never a crime.

He ordered them to sexually abuse and rape the girl. That's not fun anymore.

SpaceMonkey · Nov 16, 2005, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

He ordered them to sexually abuse and rape the girl. That's not fun anymore.

Also impersonating a police officer.

Rev-O · Nov 16, 2005, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Volks

The caller didn't committ any crime either. Taking advantage and making fun of imbeciles is never a crime.

Falsely claiming to be a Police Officer and convincing people to act wrongly upon your implied authority is not a wise career choice. AFAIK, False Impersonation of a Police Officer is a felony in every state.

gururafiki · Nov 16, 2005, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by Tesseract

For people saying/implying she is dumb:

She did not consent to any of this. The caller convinced other employees to torture her, and the McDonalds manager went along with this. The others are the idiots here.

The manager must not be too bright to ignore simple common sense!

James L · Nov 16, 2005, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Volks

The caller didn't committ any crime either. Taking advantage and making fun of imbeciles is never a crime.

Your lack of knowledge of the law is scary.

You should stop talking.

Really.

Volks · Nov 16, 2005, 02:35 AM

Okay, dressing up as a police officer and flashing a fake badge and trying to do things police officers do is impersonating a police officer, not calling someone up and saying "this is the police, now drop your pants."

You're taking it way too far.

Really.

James L · Nov 16, 2005, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Volks

Okay, dressing up as a police officer and flashing a fake badge and trying to do things police officers do is impersonating a police officer, not calling someone up and saying "this is the police, now drop your pants."

Wrong again.

strictlyplaid · Nov 16, 2005, 02:43 AM

I'm probably going to hell for this, but I honestly did laugh out loud at the mental image of calling someone up and saying "This is the police, now drop your pants."

gururafiki · Nov 16, 2005, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Volks

Okay, dressing up as a police officer and flashing a fake badge and trying to do things police officers do is impersonating a police officer, not calling someone up and saying "this is the police, now drop your pants."

What?! Calling yourself a police officer (when you are not one) and ordering people to do things is impersonating a police officer, whether in person or on the phone. Please explain how it is not.

Rev-O · Nov 16, 2005, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Volks

Okay, dressing up as a police officer and flashing a fake badge and trying to do things police officers do is impersonating a police officer, not calling someone up and saying "this is the police, now drop your pants."

So if an elderly person gets a call from someone who claims to be a police officer who then scams the elderly person out of a large sum of money with the old "counterfeiting ring" scam or "Sting Money" scam, that's okay? Because they did it over a phone? And it is the elderly persons fault for being a chump, right?
Brilliant.
If you call someone and claim to be police officer and use that implied authroity to coerce someone into an action... hey! Felony! Doesn't matter if it is over the phone, in person, etc.

This in no way absolves the idiot McD employees from their roles. Just means the nitwit making the call is getting nailed as well.

Stradlater · Nov 16, 2005, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Volks

Okay, dressing up as a police officer and flashing a fake badge and trying to do things police officers do is impersonating a police officer, not calling someone up and saying "this is the police, now drop your pants."

You're taking it way too far.

Really.

You, sir, are an idiot. Firstly, it's still impersonating a police officer.

Secondly, though stripping was humiliating enough, she was also sodomized—raped.

It's unfortunate she didn't stand up for herself, but even that might've not changed the situation.

You're not taking it far enough.

Chuckit · Nov 16, 2005, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Seriously, wtf was her problem? She should have just left.

Did you miss the part where the guy was hitting and abusing her? That's not a situation you "just leave."

Mastrap · Nov 16, 2005, 11:23 AM

It's scary what people are prepared to do. Especially when they think they are following orders™, given by a figure they presume is one of authority.

Of course the manager was an idiot. Of course the girl should have told them to **** themselves, refused to strip and insisted on calling her parents or somebody else she trusted. But she was probably first scared, then humiliated and then just wanted the nightmare to end.

But because they all assumed that they were dealing with a bona fide policeman they were too intimidated and too damn stupid to see the charade for what it was.

It took only one person of sound judgement, the caretaker, to put a stop to it. Instantly.

I am glad the guy who impersonated a cop is going to be locked up, the longer the better. And I don't have much sympathy for the guy who went along with it, although in a way he too is a victim.

Does MCD carry any of the responsibility? I don't think so. You can't hold an employer responsible for the actions of a bunch of idiots, surely? Now, if the hoax caller would have been a widely publicized menace, I'd think differently.

turtle777 · Nov 16, 2005, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Tesseract

For people saying/implying she is dumb:

She did not consent to any of this. The caller convinced other employees to torture her, and the McDonalds manager went along with this. The others are the idiots here.

Well, it sounds like she had a choice:

It was Ogborn's word against the accusation of a man claiming to be a cop, and she was given a choice: submit to a search or be escorted to the police station.

-t

turtle777 · Nov 16, 2005, 12:45 PM

Ok, the problem here is that Americans have a much higher respect and fear of police officers (and ANY person in uniform, at that matter) than people in Europe. I'm not saying it's necessarily good or bad, it's just a fact.

In Germany, police offficers are NEVER considered as much an authority figure as in the US. You can NEVER just get thrown in jail for 24-48 hours w/o charges. All that stuff makes an American police officer much more powerful, and people willing to submit to any crap.

I have seen in the US people willingly follow the silliest commands given by mall cops or other uniformed private security "officers", that have de facto NADA to say. Yet, as soon as someone wears a uniform, people treat them as half-gods and throw away their brains. It's ridiculous.

Honestly, something is wrong with this overly authoritarian way police is behaving in the US. Leaves too much room for abuse, in so many ways.

-t

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 16, 2005, 12:49 PM

Honestly, I think she did this on purpose. Seriously. She's just jogging in place naked, I mean COME ON and she hasn't even seen a cop?! ********! I think she's smart. I think she just did whatever she was told so she could sue the **** out of mcdonalds.

turtle777 · Nov 16, 2005, 12:50 PM

^^^ Nah, she doesn't seem to be that crude. And even YOU wouldn't have done that, even though you are crude enough. You would have cussed the living heck out of them

-t

SeSawaya · Nov 16, 2005, 12:58 PM

I predict a big payday for this ex minimum wage earner. Hope it helps.

itistoday · Nov 16, 2005, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Teronzhul

Everyone involved in this story is completely retarded.

We have teh winnar!

(Not surprising at all though, this is McDonald's we're talking about).

itistoday · 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

I'm not sure what's worse. The fact hat it happened, or the fact that ABC was ****ing inconsiderate enough to put a ****ing video of her online so all her classmates and whatnot can download it and see her.

I'm fairly sure they need the girl's permission to do that (thought I'm not sure if it applies in this case), which she probably did, considering how she consented to an interview.

Warung · Nov 16, 2005, 01:13 PM

Sorry, I absolutely refuse to believe this happened!

SSharon · Nov 16, 2005, 01:51 PM

must have been an expensive call since it was from a payphone, although he did use a calling card. now every time I see someone buy a calling card I am going to wonder what they do with it. so why didn't she or anyone else just hang up the phone?

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 16, 2005, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by SSharon

so why didn't she or anyone else just hang up the phone?

Again, I think she was playing along. She obviously doesn't seem to sad about the whole thing, and she seemed to be quite willing to do almost anything. Was she even crying?

turtle777 · Nov 16, 2005, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by SSharon

so why didn't she or anyone else just hang up the phone?

Are you crazy ? Hanging up on an police officer ? In some states you might get the death penality, depending on your ethnic background.

-t

effgee · Nov 16, 2005, 02:16 PM

In TX they'll hit you in the head with a brick for hanging up on a police officer.

SSharon · Nov 16, 2005, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by effgee

In TX they'll hit you in the head with a brick for hanging up on a police officer.

ouch.
how about lie about hanging up? blame it on the phone or say you need to go to the bathroom. what real cop wouldn't let you pee?

turtle777 · Nov 16, 2005, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by SSharon

how about lie about hanging up? blame it on the phone or say you need to go to the bathroom.

Yeah, I'm sure that'd work

-t

::maroma:: · Nov 16, 2005, 02:26 PM

I'm sure that dumbass who made the calls will get plenty of searches of all different kinds where he's going. His "cavity" will be thoroughly cleansed.

(did i just say that?)