[CreepingDeth]

Directed towards the firefighters, but I'll fix that.
Fixed, check again.
But what do you think as far as quality, design, etc. I made em quick, but I don't think they look to bad, besides those nasty artifacts on #1.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Directed towards the firefighters, but I'll fix that.
Fixed, check again.
But what do you think as far as quality, design, etc. I made em quick, but I don't think they look to bad, besides those nasty artifacts on #1.

i like 'em both now actually. I have seen both of those pictures before of course.

Maybe I would put USA instead of U.S, but that's just a suggestion.

Good work !

[CreepingDeth]

God Bless the US rythmes. And I'm not sure it'll fit.
I might change the kerning and see if it can fit.

Fixed, check again.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
God Bless the US rythmes. And I'm not sure it'll fit.
I might change the kerning and see if it can fit.

Fixed, check again.

And thanks to SeeBS, I now know what a kerning is.

[CreepingDeth]

Warning: Very large picture below.
Sorry tooki, but this is my fav:

[Dex13]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Which one do you guys like better?

Neither .

I would much rather stop mourning and have the people take action.

For Example

[storer]

On that day, my uncle arrived home from work in the middle of the night (in Australia) and turned on the tv. He didnt realise until 5 minutes later, that this wasn't a movie, like he had first thought. My aunt rang in the morning, and told us to look on the tv. We sat for an hour just watching, and we even cried, because of the loss and destruction. i went to school, I was 11 at the time, and we just sat in silence most of the day, while the teachers comforted us, because of the concern for another attack. It's not something that I want to remember.

[Sven G]

Yesterday (11 september) I saw this film on TV (which I rarely watch - but this time it was worth it): especially, there was the part by Ken Loach, who compared September 11 2001 in the USA with September 11 1973 in Chile, with the bloody US-based coup d'etat (sponsored by the war criminals Nixon and Kissinger, among others), which destroyed the hopes of an entire generation of people for a more human world.

What a sad world we live in: almost nothing seems to have changed, in 30 years...

[UR-20]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
We're not barbarians.

Excuse me, pardon me.
Devil's Advocate coming through.

1) In Mesa, Arizona, Balbir Singh Sodhi, 49, an Indian gas station owner was shot. The assailant then drove to another service station where a Lebanese-American employee was working; he fired shots but injured no one else. (CNN: 9/14)

2) In Richmond Hill, Queens, an elderly Sikh man was beaten with a baseball bat; two others were shot at with paintball guns. (NY Times)

3) In Gary, Indiana, a man in a ski mask fired more than 21 shots from a high-powered assault rifle at Hassan Awdah, a U.S. citizen born in Yemen, who stood behind a 1-inch-thick shield at 3 am on Wednesday. Awdah fled as the gunman tried to shoot him again. (Reuters/Chicago & MSNBC.com)

4) On Friday, a turban-wearing taxi driver was attacked by a man who accused him of being a terrorist. He was of Indian descent. (Seattle Times/Detroit Free Press)

5) A car rammed into an Akron, OH Arab-owned grocery store by Jack Oueslati. (News Net 5: 9/16)

6) In Huntington, N.Y., a 75-year-old man tried to run over a Pakistani woman in a shopping mall parking lot. The police said he screamed that he was "doing this for my country." The man then followed the woman into a store and threatened to kill her or "destroying my country." (Seattle Times/Detroit Free Press & New York Times: 9/14)

7) Khaled Ksaibati, the faculty adviser for the Muslim Student Association at the University of Wyoming described an attack on the Muslim family at a Laramie Wal-Mart. "The people who screamed in her face wanted her to go back to her country," he said. "This is her country. She was born here." (Seattle Times/Detroit Free Press)

8) On Thursday night, a group of demonstrators gathered outside of the Madina Masjid on First Avenue and 11th Street in Manhattan. The mob yelled angrily and carried a banner saying "Destroy the mosque or remove it from this place." Neighbors shouted the crowd down as the police held them back. (News Net 5:9/16)

9) On Wednesday, a well-dressed young Manhattan couple yelled insults at a Lebanese-American who was desperately searching for survivors from the arts center he had run on the 92nd floor of the World Trade Center's north tower. "They told me, 'You should go back to your country, you f--king Arabs, we should bomb the s--t out of you," said the man, Moukhtar Kocache. (Seattle Times)

10) Yasser Ahmed, manager of an Arab-owned candy and grocery store on Broadway in Upper Manhattan, said about 10 people had come in shouting, "You guys did it!" and other accusations. (NY Times)

11) One student, Basel Al-ken, whose family is from Syria, was taking his mother to Wal-Mart one night this week. A man in a parked car turned a laser-pointer in her face and made a throat-slitting motion with his hand. (NY Times)

12) Four men chased Amrik Singh, a Sikh who wears a turban, on Tuesday as he fled lower Manhattan to return home to Hicksville. He jumped on a train to Brooklyn and took off his turban and stuffed it into his briefcase. (NY News Day)

13) One man stormed into a South Seattle mosque and threatened to burn it down. Another poured gasoline on a North Seattle mosque and tried to fire a gun at some of its members. (Seattle Times/Detroit Free Press)

14) A student of either Indian or Middle Eastern origin was attacked on the University of Pennsylvania campus. Other colleges have reported similar stories of their students under attack. (MTV News & Seattle Times)

15) The Islamic Institute of New York received a telephone call threatening the school's 450 students. The male caller said he was going to paint the streets with the children's blood. The school is closed, but continues to receive several threats a day. (Seattle Times/Detroit Free Press)

16) A mosque in Denton, Texas, was firebombed, and another in Lynnwood, Wash. had its sign defaced with black paint. (New York Times: 9/14)

17) In Bridgeview, Ill., a suburb of Chicago, police stopped 300 marchers�many of them teenagers--as they tried to march on a mosque on Wednesday night. Marcher Colin Zaremba, 19, told The Associated Press, "I'm proud to be American and I hate Arabs and I always have." (Seattle Times & Detroit Free Press/ Reuters: Chicago)

18) 43 percent of Americans said they thought the attacks would make them "personally more suspicious" of people who appear to be of Arab descent. (ABCNEWS/ Washington Post poll: 9/13)

19) 10 people were removed from an Amtrak train in Providence, R.I., on Wednesday, and held by the police and questioned for an hour and 40. Sher J. B. Singh, a telecommunications consultant, was one of three Sikh men escorted from the train at gunpoint, handcuffed and questioned about whether he had anything to do with the terrorism. The others held all appeared to be of Arab or South Asian descent, said Mr. Singh and Meera Kumar, a financial services officer at the Ford Motor Company, who was also held by the police. Those detained included a Hispanic and an African- American. "They broadcast four Arabic males, so four Arabic males is what we are looking for," Colonel Sullivan said. September 14, 2001/New York Times)

20) From Texas to Chicago to Long Island, there have been reports of arson, personal attacks and the police stopping men in Middle Eastern-style head coverings. (New York Times: 9/14)

21) In suburban Cleveland, Sukhwant Singh, a Sikh priest who lives at the Guru Gobind Sikh temple, awakened early Wednesday to find bottles filled with gasoline hurled in the temple's windows and flames pouring out. (New York Times: 9/14)

22) In Louisiana, schools in Jefferson Parish were closed on Wednesday after officials reported that students of Middle Eastern origin were being taunted and harassed. (New York Times: 9/14)

23) On Long Island, a market in Smithtown owned by a native of Pakistan was the target of what the police considered a probable arson attack Wednesday morning. The entire store was burned to the ground. (New York Times: 9/14)

24) In Ronkonkoma, a man was arrested on suspicion of waving a pellet gun and shouting obscenities at a South Asian gas station worker. (New York Times: 9/14)

25) Early Wednesday in Manhattan, a Sikh man said he was pounced on by three white men yelling "terrorist" at Broadway and 52nd Street. (New York Times: 9/14)

26) On Wednesday morning, three Sikh men waiting at Grand Central Terminal for a Connecticut-bound train were stopped and had their bags searched by the police. (New York Times: 9/14)

27) In Denton, Texas, a Molotov cocktail fashioned out of a beer bottle was tossed at a mosque and Islamic school, a day after windows were shot out at a similar Islamic center near Dallas. (Reuters/Chicago)

28) In New York�s Kennedy airport, law enforcement officers searched passengers boarding an American Airlines flight who appeared to be of Arab decent. "Anyone with dark skin or who spoke with an accent was taken aside and searched," one passenger said. "And they went to any male with too much facial hair." (NY Times & MSNBC.com)

29) An Islamic information service reported that a bag of pig blood was left on the doorstep of an Islamic community center in San Francisco. (Reuters/Chicago)

30) An Islamic center in Ohio received menacing messages and a bullet was fired through one window. (Toledo Blade & Reuters/Chicago)

31) One Muslim woman said she, her husband and their eight children endured a night of terror when an angry mob rose outside of their home in Oak Lawn, Ill. The woman, who asked not to be identified out of fear, said ``We had people riding up and down our block shouting obscenities. 'Go home you bleeping ragheads, bleeping a-rabs, we're gonna get you.��My husband and I stayed up all night guarding the windows,'' she added. ``My husband is of Arab descent. He gave four years of his life in the U.S. Navy ... to have some skinhead with an American flag screaming at your house.''

She said the family was afraid to call the police because it would single out their house, adding that other Muslim families in the neighborhood were considering whether they should leave the area Thursday evening. (Reuters/Chicago)

32) Police in northern Indiana were investigating several other hate crimes. (Reuters/Chicago & MSNBC.com)

33) A Pakistani Muslim store owner was shot and killed in Dallas Saturday evening. (MSNBC)

34) The FBI has initiated 40 hate crime investigations involving reported attacks on Arab American citizens and institutions. (MSNBC)

35) In Palos Hills, Ill., two Muslim girls were beaten at Moraine Valley College.

36) In Evansville, Ind., a man driving 80 miles an hour rammed his car into a mosque. In both cases, police arrested suspects. (MSNBC)

37) Damage was reported at another Arab-owned gasoline station in Indiana, as well as at a restaurant owned by a native of Jordan, where windows were broken and the windows of a parked car were shot out. (Reuters/Chicago)

38) At Jacksonville State University, tensions over the terrorist attacks have extended beyond the Islamic students. Students from abroad with dark complexions, including one Brazilian woman, reported hostile looks, snide comments and fearing for their safety. (MSNBC)

39) Muslim schools in several areas have canceled their classes as a precaution against threats and reported violence. (Reuters/Chicago)

40) In Alexandria, Virginia, Hazim Barakat, a native of Jerusalem who came to the United States 11 years ago, said he arrived to open his Islamic bookstore the day after the attack to find windows shattered with note-bound bricks. ``You come to this country to kill our people. We want to kill you'' and ``Death to the Arab murderers,'' read the notes, according to Barakat, a U.S. citizen. (Reuters/Chicago)

41) The LAPD said 8 hate incidents have been reported in the city of Los Angeles, including four that have been classified as hate crimes --2 cases of vandalism; one assault with a deadly weapon, in which a gun was put to a woman's face; and an "annoying" phone call to the Southern California Islamic Center. Four other incidents involved racial epithets and slurs but were not classified as hate crimes. (Los Angeles Times)

42) Two students at Pierce College in Woodland Hills wrote "die" on a Persian Club booth on campus. An altercation ensued between the suspects and one or two students, but the victims did not press charges. (Los Angeles Times)

43) At the University of Southern California, some Muslim students have been harassed and some Muslim women have had their veils pulled off, according to Sarah Eltantawi of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. (Los Angeles Times)

44) Some Jewish Americans express fears of being targeted for blame that this terrorism stems from continuing US support for Israel. (Seattle & Detroit Free Press/ Reuters: Chicago)

45) Arab-Americans have been singled out in airports for searches by security agents and assaulted by thugs, according to published reports. The Internet has also become a hotbed for the harassment of Arab-Americans. (MSNBC.com)

46) Fairfax County police are investigating two weekend bias crimes they say may be linked to the terror attacks. (MSNBC)

47) The Windows 2000 French-language spell-checker suggests replacing "anti-stress" with the word "anti-arab." The head of Microsoft's European and Middle East operations said on Wednesday the problem should be fixed in "a few weeks" and that customers would be offered a new version free of charge. (Reuters)

[angaq0k]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by UR-20:
[B]Excuse me, pardon me.
Devil's Advocate coming through.



Quite a strike! Quite a sad strike at the same time...

[Zimphire]

Um, that was select few. And they are going to be punished.

See, we don't applaud such behavior and award them or their families with money like other countries do.

That is what makes us NOT barbarians.

Nice try though.

[Rygar]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Um, that was select few. And they are going to be punished.

See, we don't applaud such behavior and award them or their families with money like other countries do.

That is what makes us NOT barbarians.

Nice try though.

So as long as those people don't get money for what they did, then they are not barbaric?

Quick question there pal, how many people need to commit crimes against those of middle eastern decent before it's not "a select few"?

[UR-20]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
See, we don't applaud such behavior and award them or their families with money like other countries do.

That is what makes us NOT barbarians.

Nice try though.

Zim, open your eyes, there are people who applaud that kind of behavior right here in these forums. To say "we" as if it's an absolute is just naive.

The only difference, is we don't get paid for our hate.

[CreepingDeth]

Hey UR�I don't agree with one thing on this list that you provided. Nice try though.
What about Sukhmani Khalsa? Hear about this one? At the U of Tenn., Sukhmani, a conservative for a school paper I believe, was threatened by some students who threatened to shoot him in the face. The school's response? This was something "stupid", something someone "didn't mean." Would a High School tolerate this? Hell ****ing no! But there response was nothing, but suspened 5 white guys for dressing up as the Jackson 5 for Halloween because they thought that when they put on some stuff to make there skin darker that it was racist.
Hmm�conservative Muslim?! Defend him?! Why?