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benh57 · Jan 10, 2003, 08:57 PM

Safari Update 1.0 Beta (v51) 1-10-03

Hopefully fixes the severe bugs that delete home directories and such.

Hi I'm Ben · Jan 10, 2003, 09:02 PM

i saw it before you, but i thought i'd put it in the safari branded browser post.

cause that's what it's there for.

daSilVetZ · Jan 10, 2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by benh57:
Safari Update 1.0 Beta (v51) 1-10-03

Hopefully fixes the severe bugs that delete home directories and such.

Just downloaded it. Can't see any apprent differences, and I'm still having trouble logging into some sites..

Appleman · Jan 10, 2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by benh57:
Safari Update 1.0 Beta (v51) 1-10-03

Hopefully fixes the severe bugs that delete home directories and such.

Downloading now!

JB72 · Jan 10, 2003, 09:04 PM

Sweetness.

gorickey · Jan 10, 2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by benh57:
Safari Update 1.0 Beta (v51) 1-10-03

Hopefully fixes the severe bugs that delete home directories and such.

There's tabs!!!

ratlater · Jan 10, 2003, 09:04 PM

I was just reading David Hyatt's weblog wishing I could get my hands on a new version. Wow, I can't believe Apple has already released an update.

-matt

Art Vandelay · Jan 10, 2003, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
There's tabs!!!

That's just mean.

Appleman · Jan 10, 2003, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
There's tabs!!!

Where? How do you get them?

sideus · Jan 10, 2003, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
There's tabs!!!

HAHA

awaspaas · Jan 10, 2003, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Appleman:
Where? How do you get them?

A simple key combination... Apple-Option-Shift-Q

Appleman · Jan 10, 2003, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
There's tabs!!!

Hm, thought like HAHA, but just maybe, maybe...
Love Safari, but miss the tabs from Chimera

sinebubble · Jan 10, 2003, 09:28 PM

Does anyone else have a netscape.net e-mail account? I can't log into netscape with this current version of Safari or the previous. I saw some people had issues with hotmail while others did not and I want to be certain it's not just me with netscape.net.

Chaaaosss · Jan 10, 2003, 09:29 PM

This release is just to fix the freaky "let's delete random stuff" bugs. That's it.

If you concentrate hard enough though, you can probably add tabs to the toolbar.

Leia's Right Bun · Jan 10, 2003, 09:36 PM

Well I am glad they fixed it so fast.

Wonder if these fixed the flash bugs.

sideus · Jan 10, 2003, 09:36 PM

I tried staring at the toolbar for a long time, using my mind powers to create tab browsing. All I got was screen burn in on my cornea.

awaspaas · Jan 10, 2003, 09:43 PM

Is the Flash bug fixed? It seems faster to me but it's probably the placebo effect.

Mr. Blur · Jan 10, 2003, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by sinebubble:
Does anyone else have a netscape.net e-mail account? I can't log into netscape with this current version of Safari or the previous. I saw some people had issues with hotmail while others did not and I want to be certain it's not just me with netscape.net.

i don't know if it's everyone, but it's definitely not just you....i can't get to netscape webmail with 0.8.0 or 0.8.1

Appleman · Jan 10, 2003, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by sideus:
I tried staring at the toolbar for a long time, using my mind powers to create tab browsing. All I got was screen burn in on my cornea.

I mumbled "tab, tab, tab, tab, tab" for half an hour, opened my eyes, BUT: still no tabs...

Targon · Jan 10, 2003, 09:54 PM

It downloads but disk copy stalls trying to mount the image. tried this in user account and root. so whats the problem if it aint permissions?

JB72 · Jan 10, 2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
It downloads but disk copy stalls trying to mount the image. tried this in user account and root. so whats the problem if it aint permissions?

I was having that problem even before v51. Can you mount the iCal 1.0.2 image, even if d/l'd via another browser? I couldn't. Fix permissions didn't help.

Targon · Jan 10, 2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by JB72:
I was having that problem even before v51. Can you mount the iCal 1.0.2 image, even if d/l'd via another browser? I couldn't. Fix permissions didn't help.

hrm , yeah same thing here with the iCal image.

Hi I'm Ben · Jan 10, 2003, 10:18 PM

Tabs are stupid.

I can't believe people are making such a big deal about the stupidest little thing...

it just won't go away and it's killing me
I saw more people say that they wouldn't use it because it didn't have tabs then i did because it might delete their home directory.

"Oh who cares that Safari might overwrite my Home folder.. the damn thing doesn't have tags!!!"

JB72 · Jan 10, 2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
hrm , yeah same thing here with the iCal image.

Uh oh. Have you checked software update recently? About the same time as those issues started happening, I got an "unexpected error" when trying software update. Also had general issues with installing anything that required an admin password.

Silky Voice of The Gorn · Jan 10, 2003, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Ben:
Tabs are stupid.

I can't believe people are making such a big deal about the stupidest little thing...

it just won't go away and it's killing me
I saw more people say that they wouldn't use it because it didn't have tabs then i did because it might delete their home directory.

"Oh who cares that Safari might overwrite my Home folder.. the damn thing doesn't have tags!!!"

It's not so much that Tabs are stupid, but that some people are so hardlined to treat them as the make-or-break feature of Safari *regardless of other merits*. People seem to forget that we were all happily browsing away not a year ago, nary a Tab in site.

Appleman · Jan 10, 2003, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Silky Voice of The Gorn:
It's not so much that Tabs are stupid, but that some people are so hardlined to treat them as the make-or-break feature of Safari *regardless of other merits*. People seem to forget that we were all happily browsing away not a year ago, nary a Tab in site.

I just love tabs. That's all. It isn't that I do not see the rest of the positive features of Safari, but tabs would be very nice. You don't have to use them, but you can.

Art Vandelay · Jan 10, 2003, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by JB72:
Uh oh. Have you checked software update recently? About the same time as those issues started happening, I got an "unexpected error" when trying software update. Also had general issues with installing anything that required an admin password.

Check to see if /tmp still exists. I think one of the problems with Safari was that in some rare cases it deleted the /tmp symbolic link.

Targon · Jan 10, 2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by JB72:
Uh oh. Have you checked software update recently? About the same time as those issues started happening, I got an "unexpected error" when trying software update. Also had general issues with installing anything that required an admin password.

Yes i too am seeing the same error in software update.

I think Apple is cursing me for being dissatisfied with Safari -(

BTW on this forum, is every thread (visited of not by you) the same color blue? It is for me an im having a hard time remembering exactly which threads i have looked when i need to check up on something. Really annoying.

JB72 · Jan 10, 2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Silky Voice of The Gorn:
It's not so much that Tabs are stupid, but that some people are so hardlined to treat them as the make-or-break feature of Safari *regardless of other merits*. People seem to forget that we were all happily browsing away not a year ago, nary a Tab in site.

Good points. I was introduced to tabs with Chimera 0.6 I and I took a liking to them pretty quick. But for me they are not a "must have or won't bother using it" type feature. But I would say that Apple would really want to add them down the road, considering how much enthusiasm there seems to be for them. It's just not a priority for the audience Safari is geared towards.

Targon · Jan 10, 2003, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
Check to see if /tmp still exists. I think one of the problems with Safari was that in some rare cases it deleted the /tmp symbolic link.

Art- I performed a search for '/tmp' the result was null. Now what do i do? Re-install the OS? bah

Targon · Jan 10, 2003, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
Art- I performed a search for '/tmp' the result was null. Now what do i do? Re-install the OS? bah

Ok i should have searched for 'tmp' without the '/' anyways i have 2 'tmp' folders.

/private/tmp
/private/var/tmp

whats missing?

Art Vandelay · Jan 10, 2003, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
Art- I performed a search for '/tmp' the result was null. Now what do i do? Re-install the OS? bah

Just type the following into Terminal:

Code:
ln -s /private/tmp/ /tmp

Ganesha · Jan 10, 2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
Art- I performed a search for '/tmp' the result was null. Now what do i do? Re-install the OS? bah

Start up Terminal
1. cd /
2. ls -l

Look to see if there is a 'tmp -> private/tmp'

if not

1. sudo ln -s private/tmp tmp

Art Vandelay · Jan 10, 2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
Ok i should have searched for 'tmp' without the '/' anyways i have 2 'tmp' folders.

/private/tmp
/private/var/tmp

whats missing?

The /tmp symbolic link to /private/tmp. See the above post to fix.

Targon · Jan 10, 2003, 10:42 PM

you 2 sure about this commands? it wont delete every single file on my system ??

JB72 · Jan 10, 2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
Yes i too am seeing the same error in software update.

I think Apple is cursing me for being dissatisfied with Safari -(

BTW on this forum, is every thread (visited of not by you) the same color blue? It is for me an im having a hard time remembering exactly which threads i have looked when i need to check up on something. Really annoying.

Yeah, sadly, it looks like the same thing happened to you.

My links don't show recently bwosed in a different color either. I'm not sure if that is part of the same problem, as I've fixed the other stuff and that problem is still the same.

I actually panicked and reinstalled everything.

If I would have known for sure that it was related to Safari I probably would have waited it out for a more sensible solution.

Art Vandelay · Jan 10, 2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
you 2 sure about this commands? it wont delete every single file on my system ??

Yes, they won't do that.

Maybe.

Just kidding.

VValdo · Jan 10, 2003, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
Just type the following into Terminal:

Code:
ln -s /private/tmp/ /tmp

I believe you have to be root to do this, so a sudo may be in order:

sudo ln -s /private/tmp /tmp
(then your password)

See for more.this slashdot thread.

Also, can someone confirm that the "delete your home directory" bug is fixed?

W

fourstarcltv · Jan 10, 2003, 10:45 PM

apparently, it fixes the /tmp bug and recreates the symbolic link (if it's missing).

Art Vandelay · Jan 10, 2003, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by VValdo:
I believe you have to be root to do this, so a sudo may be in order:

sudo ln -s /private/tmp /tmp
(then your password)

See for more.this slashdot thread.

Also, can someone confirm that the "delete your home directory" bug is fixed?

W

Actually, you just need to be an admin. But a sudo won't hurt.

Targon · Jan 10, 2003, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
Actually, you just need to be an admin. But a sudo won't hurt.

ok so this created the 'symbolic link' isnt this just what we call an alias or is this different now?

anyways now disk copy works an i have the new Safari. So now, do i really have to do this terminal commands to every other machine we have with this problem?

If i didnt know any better id class that first Sfari as a VIRUS since it just deletes stuff grrr

undotwa · Jan 10, 2003, 10:57 PM

I've downloaded the new safari:

FLASH IS A H*LL OF A LOT FAST! YES!!! SMOOTHEST FLASH YET I SEEN ON MAC! AS GOOD AS PC!!! YES!!!

Less crashy, much better. I can actually use this thing now.

No differences other than that I can see. Thanks apple!

Millennium · Jan 10, 2003, 10:57 PM

People have been wondering about the Flash bugs and such. At least some of these should be fixed in this update (I'm still downloading so I'm not certain). Dave Hyatt's blog has stated that some of these are fixed in WebCore, and I would imagine that this update probably uses the latest WebCore.

The Flash bug wasn't in WebCore (it was in Safari itself), but it was supposedly fixed on Wednesday. So it should be in.

Speaking of WebCore, it's possible to rip out Safari's engine and run a custom one, essentially letting you download custom WebCores on a weekly basis or so and get the updates. It's not quite the same as Chimera nightlies (since you can only get updates to the rendering engine, not the whole browser) but it should be great for fixing rendering bugs. This Slashdot article will tell you how it's done.

JB72 · Jan 10, 2003, 11:03 PM

Speaking of WebCore, it's possible to rip out Safari's engine and run a custom one, essentially letting you download custom WebCores on a weekly basis or so and get the updates.

Would this allow someone to run a different engine under Safari, such as Gecko? Or does webcore just work on top of the Khtml stuff?

Xtraz · Jan 10, 2003, 11:07 PM

FLASH IS A H*LL OF A LOT FAST! YES!!! SMOOTHEST FLASH YET I SEEN ON MAC! AS GOOD AS PC!!! YES!!!

Completely disagree.

Check out this site for instance http://www.10plus1.com/main.html

daSilVetZ · Jan 10, 2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Xtraz:
Completely disagree.

Check out this site for instance http://www.10plus1.com/main.html

Hmm, what hardware are you running>? That site you linked to works perfectly for me- very smooth

Infact that sushi picking up got me quite hungry

Xtraz · Jan 10, 2003, 11:14 PM

Hmm, what hardware are you running>? That site you linked to works perfectly for me- very smooth

I'm using a Ti 500... the site works perfectly in IE though. Hmmm....

BTP · Jan 10, 2003, 11:24 PM

That site works fine for me too. G4/450.

I have to say that while I don't know if the "delete the home folder" bug is real or not, it seems that it is an isolated incident that had been retold EVERYWHERE.

I know some people are still getting used to X, but there are a lot of

's that do dumb things like, run in root 24/7. So while the bug could possibly be real, personally, I suspect user error.

As for tabs, I use them in Chimera. I find them incredibly useful, as I often have a few browser windows open and tabs make navigation extremely easy for me. I am more efficient with tabs. When I would prefer is to have tabs available as an option, in the preferences, maybe. Something like that. Those that want them, turn them on. Those that don't, can spawn new windows to their heart's content.

Appleman · Jan 10, 2003, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by daSilVetZ:
Hmm, what hardware are you running>? That site you linked to works perfectly for me- very smooth Infact that sushi picking up got me quite hungry

Works perfect for me on a Ti500

Xtraz · 11:46 PM

Works perfect for me on a Ti500

Great. Apple hates me.

On the other hand, webpage scrolling is surprisingly smooth, even faster than a current iMac or iBook.

Edit:

Okay, i checked it out again and I can see maybe that site's performance isn't that unusable.

Try this site instead:
http://users.design.ucla.edu/~zai/photos/

And see if the flash animation on the top left works smoothly. Thanks.

(And I agree... the sushi is making me very hungry also)