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Ogg Vorbis playsers/encoders
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Well, I want to try out this new format and support open source, but I can't find any thing to 1) play the format using OS X (Audion does but I heard it sucks at this) and 2) to make songs! I can't play .ogg files if I don't have any .ogg files to play!
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ok there is a Quicktime extension for this an u can play the files with QT player...1 sec i find it
here Ogg Vorbis QuickTime Component - 1.0d5
versiontracker link
http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=13012&db=mac
hope it works, i havent tried it. pls report back success/failure ;-)
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Originally posted by Miniryu:
Well, I want to try out this new format and support open source, but I can't find any thing to 1) play the format using OS X (Audion does but I heard it sucks at this) and 2) to make songs! I can't play .ogg files if I don't have any .ogg files to play!
Panic recently upgraded Audion to handle the 1.0 ogg spec. It works pretty well for me, but then I haven't put it through any serious testing when using ogg.
oggenc, the commandline encoder, can be used to encode ogg files. You can build it from the source available at xiph.org. You could also try emailing the Panic guys and requesting an Ogg encoder for a future version of Audion.
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There was a public testing of the quality of the Ogg Vorbis compression.
It was being conducted by the german c't magazin. They put a lot of
effort into the test and everybody could participate. Judging wasn't
easy at all: Ogg Vorbis, MP3, MP3pro, WMA9, Real Media and AAC
have had to be rated. 3500 people did a rating. Many were confused by the many sound files.
However, OggVorbis was the best, especially at 64kBits/s. While AAC
(Apple's new high quality standard) was only average.
Find more at: http://www.heise.de/ct/02/19/094/ (german language only)
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Originally posted by opsotta:
While AAC (Apple's new high quality standard) was only average.
AAC is the standard audio encoding for MPEG4 video, not something Apple cooked up.
And this is not an OS X - General topic.
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Currently, Audion is the only player for Mac that supports the Vorbis 1.0 specifications. There are several other players, but they all use previous versions of the spec. Likewise for the QuickTime component.
There are no GUI encoders for OSX yet which support the 1.0 specification. You'll have to use the command-line oggenc for that (you can also use LAME).
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whilst on this topic
anybody know a program that will convert ogg files to mp3's? (for the purpose of listening in iTunes)
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Originally posted by Nathan Adams:
whilst on this topic
anybody know a program that will convert ogg files to mp3's? (for the purpose of listening in iTunes)
I'll be the big meany that simply says, NO! Never ever recompress an already compressed file unless you don't mind losing quite a bit of quality.
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Is that a "no, there is no program"
or a "no, don't do it"
because really, i don't mind losing a bit of quality. It's just some album samplers I got sent so I can decide whether I want to order the actual cd's or not.
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MacAmp Lite X supports the 1.0 spec if you download the latest plugins (I would imagine you'd need the encoder and decoder). You may want to download just about all of their plugins (a better 10 band graphic equalizer, et al). It plays ogg, mp3, and aiff beautifully. It's easy on the CPU, too; 11-17% on my iBook G3 300 MHz under X.1.5. It also has a really neat feature when encoding that lets you apply effects to the music as you encode. So, if you have a really loud CD, you can apply the gain filter to quiet it down a little, permanently, as you encode. I have only a few complaints about it:
- No CDDB integration.
- No tag editing ability (the only ogg tag editor I've seen is in Ogg Drop, a drag and drop encoder stuck in the old RC3 spec, it also won't edit the tags unless it can erase the original file).
- It won't let you name the CD songs before you start ripping. (very annoying to have to figure out which song is which without the Finder preview ability)
- For some reason it simply stops like it's been paused when it reaches the end of an aiff file whilst encoding to ogg, so you can't start encoding and let it go.
What I've found works best is to rip the songs in to aiff using iTunes (CDDB integration), then have MacAmp Lite play the songs in to oggs (you encode by changing the output from the speakers to an ogg file), then I edit the tags with Ogg Drop (tedious [file by file] and unnecessary, but worth it, IMHO). I generally set the output file name to be the same as the input because it cannot get the artist's name or song title from an aiff. Make sure to switch your output back to the speakers before you try to use MALX again.
Enjoy the oggs, I'm encoding around 160 (middle quality setting, marked as normal in the plugin) and they are sounding just as good if not better than my roughly 200 kbs VBR mp3s when I use my $40 headphones.
BlackGriffen
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Originally posted by Nathan Adams:
whilst on this topic
anybody know a program that will convert ogg files to mp3's? (for the purpose of listening in iTunes)
The commandline tool oggdec will decode a .ogg file to .wav, which can then be converted to mp3. I don't know of any direct ogg to mp3 converters.
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Originally posted by fitter:
The commandline tool oggdec will decode a .ogg file to .wav, which can then be converted to mp3. I don't know of any direct ogg to mp3 converters.
With MacAmp Lite X, you can decode the ogg in to aiff also. Then iTunes can mp3 it if you want, but it's pretty pointless since you could just listen to it with MALX, or even leave it in aiff to keep the quality high.
BlackGriffen
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