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Mar 24, 2015, 10:15 AM
 
I'm living in Canada now, but I keep tabs on American news, and of course I have many American Facebook friends that post political stuff. So, of course I'm aware that Ted Cruz is running for president. I'm not a fan, but even if I was, we are 20 months away from the goddamn election, I'm not ready for another election season.

In Canada and the UK there are rules about when campaigns can start. Would you be in favor of similar rules in the US? While this might seem like an infringement upon Freedom™, can we agree that our government hasn't accomplished enough for us to devote limited political and media resources to stupid crap like stuff Ted Cruz's father did and his eligibility? Can we agree that it is depressing how much money is spent on getting us to pull one lever instead of the other on election day?

I'm also in favor of campaign finance laws, but maybe limiting campaigns to 90 days or something like that would help reign this in.
     
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Mar 24, 2015, 11:16 AM
 
How about NO CHEERLEADING from the press? Lets get facts out there and look deep into the candidates background.
     
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Suggest candidates must agree to debates. Large party candidates (Reps/Dems) often refuse to debate with smaller party candidates. To limit voter knowledge, so most of the votes continue to go to the large parties. It's a practical way to reduce our choices.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
How about NO CHEERLEADING from the press? Lets get facts out there and look deep into the candidates background.
I think it is silly to just keep waiting for a perfect candidate in a corrupt system and climate. The problem isn't the pieces on the board, it's the game itself.
     
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
Suggest candidates must agree to debates. Large party candidates (Reps/Dems) often refuse to debate with smaller party candidates. To limit voter knowledge, so most of the votes continue to go to the large parties. It's a practical way to reduce our choices.
Even if this were changed, and I think it should be, I don't think it will be enough to combat the millions of dollars funneled into running campaigns 20 months in advance of the election.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
How about NO CHEERLEADING from the press? Lets get facts out there and look deep into the candidates background.
Sounds good to me.

Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
Suggest candidates must agree to debates. Large party candidates (Reps/Dems) often refuse to debate with smaller party candidates. To limit voter knowledge, so most of the votes continue to go to the large parties. It's a practical way to reduce our choices.
Damned right.
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Mar 24, 2015, 08:54 PM
 
How is Cruz even qualified to be Pres? What aboot the fact that he was born in Canadia land....
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How is Cruz even qualified to be Pres? What aboot the fact that he was born in Canadia land....
His Mom was/is American, which makes him an American by birth.

If you ask me, this whole birth place thing is silly. A citizen at birth or for x years should be enough to make that person eligible. Being physically born in the US doesn't guarantee or mean much of anything. A person could still live many years outside of the country and be eligible, while somebody that was born outside the country and moved back before they were even old to remember being away could be ineligible. What are we trying to accomplish here?

Many Americans seem incredibly legalistic, whether this is extreme reverence to the constitution or issues like this. Is this just an American thing? We need laws, but when something doesn't make sense the law should be changed, not respected for eternity just because it is a law. Evolution.
     
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Mar 25, 2015, 12:15 AM
 
Also, I expect that this legalistic attitude is often inconsistent, and only important when that person wants to get their way about something.

Here I am defending Ted Cruz, what is this world coming to? I just hate pedantic bullshit.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
How about NO CHEERLEADING from the press? Lets get facts out there and look deep into the candidates background.
Some kind of pamphlet sent to every voter with scans of every candidates' birth certificate for a start?
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Also, I expect that this legalistic attitude is often inconsistent, and only important when that person wants to get their way about something.
I think you're pretty much spot on.

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Here I am defending Ted Cruz, what is this world coming to? I just hate pedantic bullshit.
While we are all guilty of using technicalities and loopholes to support our own position from time to time, the reason I have come to be so dismissive of the American right is that you rarely see this kind of reasonableness, objectivity or self-awareness from them.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Mar 25, 2015, 08:15 AM
 
Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Some kind of pamphlet sent to every voter with scans of every candidates' birth certificate for a start?
Criminal records, Aliases, Disbarrings, school grades, interviews with those who know the candidates and will tell you whether they are wack jobs, liars, or ass clowns.
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
While we are all guilty of using technicalities and loopholes to support our own position from time to time, the reason I have come to be so dismissive of the American right is that you rarely see this kind of reasonableness, objectivity or self-awareness from them.
That's because the Left is generally so dismissive and will simply ignore those who disagree with their positions (no, I'm not talking about anyone around here specifically). While the Right does tend to rant, at least they're still talking, a common trend of late with the Left is to simply block/silence the people they are at odds with. It's tough to reach a point of objectivity when the argument is stymied before it can fully develop.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post

While we are all guilty of using technicalities and loopholes to support our own position from time to time, the reason I have come to be so dismissive of the American right is that you rarely see this kind of reasonableness, objectivity or self-awareness from them.
So, basically you see things through your 'liberal filter' where you are assuming you know the facts better than others?
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
That's because the Left is generally so dismissive and will simply ignore those who disagree with their positions (no, I'm not talking about anyone around here specifically). While the Right does tend to rant, at least they're still talking, a common trend of late with the Left is to simply block/silence the people they are at odds with. It's tough to reach a point of objectivity when the argument is stymied before it can fully develop.
You might be right technically but while they are still talking, they mostly just parrot the same old tired arguments and soundbites that have been spoon-fed to them by their news-entertainment source of choice.
Its not like the left have many options open to them. The bottom line is that the left compromises all the time, the right just throws tantrums and sticks its head in the sand until it gets its way. What else can you do with something that cannot be reasoned with but dismiss, ignore and work around it?

I guarantee you that the left would hold their own representatives to much higher standards if they didn't always have much more worthwhile targets to go after from the right.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
So, basically you see things through your 'liberal filter' where you are assuming you know the facts better than others?
Do you think you have a filter of your own?
     
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Mar 25, 2015, 02:35 PM
 
I know too much about how media works (TV, Radio, and the net) and actually LISTEN to the opinions stated as facts, lies and such. Advertising is just propaganda as far as mechanics.
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
The bottom line is that the left compromises all the time,
Not that I've noticed, at least not here in the States. As much as I blast the UN for being ineffectual in their actions, at least they try their best to keep lines of communication open, which is laudable.
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
I know too much about how media works (TV, Radio, and the net) and actually LISTEN to the opinions stated as facts, lies and such. Advertising is just propaganda as far as mechanics.
Yep. Modern news media is nothing more than a 2 channel propaganda generator.
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
... we are 20 months away from the goddamn election, I'm not ready for another election season.
The nominating primaries start in January. That a little over 8 months away.

In Canada and the UK there are rules about when campaigns can start.
How about when they stop? Obama has been in campaign mode since 2007. The campaign for 2020 will start November 9th 2016.

Cruz cosponsored a Fair Tax bill in 2013. (There is a 2015 HB 25, no Senate Bill as of yet for 2015) That should endear him the Paul wing of the party.
     
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I know too much about how media works (TV, Radio, and the net) and actually LISTEN to the opinions stated as facts, lies and such. Advertising is just propaganda as far as mechanics.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Tell me, is global warming and man contributing to it a fact or myth? This isn't an issue that gets too much media attention, but many would say that there is a consensus in the scientific community as to what the facts are.

Why would your archetype Republican that has spent type researching this info say that is a myth, and your archetype Democrat the opposite?
     
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The nominating primaries start in January. That a little over 8 months away.
We seem pretty heavy into election talk now, no? Why did Cruz announce? The media has been speculating about Hilary running for months.

How about when they stop? Obama has been in campaign mode since 2007. The campaign for 2020 will start November 9th 2016.
I don't mind this so much, presidents are campaigners by their nature, part of their job is persuasion and coaxing buy-in to their vision.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
We seem pretty heavy into election talk now, no? Why did Cruz announce? The media has been speculating about Hilary running for months.
Cruz is the lone candidate and he's getting all the air time. Most likely he wants to get out there and define himself before the press can. Since he's Cuban, does criticizing him make you anti Latino and racist?

Hilary is the media's choice at this time. We'll see if the Epstein case gains any traction. This the same idiot that HRH Prince Andrew is getting flak for hanging with. Epstein has donated money to the Clinton Foundation.
Exactly how tight is the friendship between former President and potential future first gentleman Bill Clinton and Mr. Epstein, who owns a private island in Florida and is now accused of having sex with girls as young as 12 and procuring young girls for sex with other friends of his? What was Bill Clinton doing on the island with Mr. Epstein on multiple occasions and why did he fly overseas on Mr. Epstein’s plane at least 10 times?

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This could be why Billary will be unwilling to turn over that email server. There could be emails from "Orgy Island"
     
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Exactly how tight is the friendship between former President and potential future first gentleman Bill Clinton and Mr. Epstein, who owns a private island in Florida and is now accused of having sex with girls as young as 12 and procuring young girls for sex with other friends of his? What was Bill Clinton doing on the island with Mr. Epstein on multiple occasions and why did he fly overseas on Mr. Epstein’s plane at least 10 times?
Anyone else remember the episode of South Park where Cartman starts his own Fox-style school news network and keeps asking unfounded questions?

Why is the Left-Wing Media Machine pretending that anyone who asks questions about the Epstein-Clinton connection is a paid stooge of the Right-Wing Media Machine?
As a rule anything that uses the term "Left-Wing Media Machine" IS a paid stooge of the Right-Wing Media Machine. Or a consumer of it.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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"Orgy Island"
Ha, that makes like three different threads you've managed to bring this up in. Keep going, I believe in you
     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Cruz is the lone candidate and he's getting all the air time. Most likely he wants to get out there and define himself before the press can. Since he's Cuban, does criticizing him make you anti Latino and racist?

Hilary is the media's choice at this time. We'll see if the Epstein case gains any traction. This the same idiot that HRH Prince Andrew is getting flak for hanging with. Epstein has donated money to the Clinton Foundation.

This could be why Billary will be unwilling to turn over that email server. There could be emails from "Orgy Island"


I guess until we stop lapping up this infotainment up, it is going to be sold to us. At this rate we'll eventually be in a constant election. I mean various candidates campaigning professionally, non-stop.
     
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Mar 27, 2015, 01:26 PM
 
I wonder what words we will be able to use without retaliation when referring to Hillary?

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/25/he...t-let-you-say/
     
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She's so eloquent.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Its not like the left have many options open to them. The bottom line is that the left compromises all the time
Yes, but they have to compromise all the time because they are WRONG all the time!
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Like them. I guess they evolved.
     
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Go sports team!
     
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Here is a interestting tidbit that should be a campaign issue.
Medicaid Cost-Recovery Law Spurs Fears of Asset Seizures - WSJ
April 12, 2015 7:09 p.m. ET
Millions of people have gained health coverage through Medicaid since states began expanding the program under the Affordable Care Act. That also means more Americans may find themselves caught in a little-known law that lets states go after their assets after they die.
In 1993, Congress mandated that states recover costs for certain Medicaid services after the recipient dies. For recipients 55 or older, that includes long-term services such as nursing-home care. But the federal law also gives states the option to recover costs for almost all other Medicaid services provided.
Just a reminder, in 1993 Billary was Co-POTUS and the Dems controlled both houses.

Rand Paul hit on a riff on Hillary's "3am phone call" ad. Benghazi was her 3am call and she didn't answer.

Since RFRA laws are in the news, we need to find out if Hillary will campaign to repeal the law they signed in 1993.
     
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She will deny she was involved. There is no email trail.
     
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I think I will get 50,000 air sick bags and print "Ready For Hillary" on them. Then sell them.
     
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I think I will get 50,000 air sick bags and print "Ready For Hillary" on them. Then sell them.
Hillary is a mix of "santorum" and "fruit of the loom"
     
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Hillary is a mix of "santorum" and "fruit of the loom"
I'm thinking more Fruit Bat than Fruit of the Loom.
     
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Why do I seem to be among a small minority who aren't stoked about more politics superbowl matches? It just seems like a complete and utter waste of time, yet it seems apparent that a good part of America still laps this up, thinking that if they just elect more Rs or Ds things will get better.
     
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Assumptions. You left out the word "Qualified". I'm sick of the D's putting a label out there, like WOMAN, BLACK, etc instead of someone with proven workable ideas and solutions to our problems and the mental awareness to work on serious issues, not pop culture BS that attracts the low IQ voters.
     
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I agree, the country is ready for a female president, has been for a while, but that doesn't mean it must be Hillary. They made such a huge deal about Obama, how we needed a black president, and it didn't matter if as an individual he was qualified or not. Look where that landed us.
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Funny that in Ohio, nobody noticed Hillary at the Chipotle'. What a campaigner!
     
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Funny that in Ohio, nobody noticed Hillary at the Chipotle'. What a campaigner!
Points red team?
     
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More points for the red team!
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Assumptions. You left out the word "Qualified". I'm sick of the D's putting a label out there, like WOMAN, BLACK, etc instead of someone with proven workable ideas and solutions to our problems and the mental awareness to work on serious issues, not pop culture BS that attracts the low IQ voters.
We're ready for a Latino POTUS and anyone who says otherwise is racist.

Hey, If Elizabeth Warren can claim she's native, why can't Jeb call himself Latino? His wife and kids are and he speaks fluent Spanish Can Warren speak the langauge of the tribe she claims she is from?
     
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So, points for red or blue team for Hilary Clinton eating at Chipotle?
     
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All of Hillary's trip was staged. Her handlers are careful that she doesn't actually GET QUESTIONS. She did badly on her hideous book tour, where the more she blathered, the more the people disliked her. Of course the press is treating her like royalty, while she and her staff treat the press badly like confiscating cell phones and cameras. So she is afraid of being seen without a "Hillary Filter" which photoshops her wrinkles, and an audio Hillary filter that keeps you from actually hearing her words. Compare that to how the rest of the candidates are being covered.
     
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So, red team?
     
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So, points for red or blue team for Hilary Clinton eating at Chipotle?
She better order some Chipotlaway!
     
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