[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Techtree.com India > News > Consumer Electronics > Nexus One Upgrade Price Slashed

They must have thought they could get away with an Apple of their own.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

He didn't claim it was anything more than that, nitwit.

Nitwit eh? Don't see where that came from.

Oh and Dori is a Cylon

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

They must have thought they could get away with an Apple of their own.

Again I love these reporters/reviewers.

"Ever since its launch, the Nexus One was plagued by costumer service issues - and some technical issues with the phone switching on to the slower EDGE network on T-Mobile even when there's 3G available.

The price of the upgrade at the time of launch was $379 which has now been slashed to $279. Those who have already paid $379 for the upgrade will get a rebate from Google. Google sure knows how to keep everyone happy."

Ya I am sure everyone is "Happy" by the sounds of it

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Nitwit eh? Don't see where that came from.

It comes from you trying nitpicking every comment about the Nexus one to death in some kind of pathetic vendetta against the phone. He wasn't talking about ringtones as if they were something special, but you still needed to poke fun of them.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

It comes from you trying nitpicking every comment about the Nexus one to death in some kind of pathetic vendetta against the phone. He wasn't talking about ringtones as if they were something special, but you still needed to poke fun of them.

No actually, you can see I have the same issues with the Droid and started a thread about it too. My problem is with Androids entire sales model as it sure as hell doesn't seem to working out as well as anyone has hoped.

I am "Nitpicking" the hardware cuz that's what everyone does with their products especially in a discussion form. I have been in plenty of threads nitpicking the iPhone too.

Sorry if any negatives about the phone hurt you personally.

But as for my "pathetic vendetta" don't you know the Nexus killed my family and I must seek revenge? Duh.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

No actually, you can see I have the same issues with the Droid and started a thread about it too. My problem is with Androids entire sales model as it sure as hell doesn't seem to working out as well as anyone has hoped.

I am "Nitpicking" the hardware cuz that's what everyone does with their products especially in a discussion form. I have been in plenty of threads nitpicking the iPhone too.

I'd be of the opinion that you take to a special level.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Sorry if any negatives about the phone hurt you personally.

It's alright. I'm sure the aneurysm your passing up on logical arguments for comments on inconsequential non-factors gave me will fade eventually.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

I'm sure the aneurysm your passing up on logical arguments for comments on inconsequential non-factors gave me will fade eventually.

Let me just run that down to the cryptology lab and I'll get back to you.

[The Final Dakar]

Its not a pretty sentence, I'll admit that.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Let me just run that down to the cryptology lab and I'll get back to you.

You gave him an aneurysm.

Said aneurysm was caused by you not using logical arguments. Instead of logical arguments, you made comments about inconsequential non-factors.

Fortunately for all involved, Dakar's aneurysm, which you gave him, will go away.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Its not a pretty sentence, I'll admit that.

Well before the results are back from the lab I can already jump the gun and confirm it isn't English.

"aneurysm your passing up on"

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa 

You gave him an aneurysm.

Said aneurysm was caused by you not using logical arguments. Instead of logical arguments, you made comments about inconsequential non-factors.

Oh cool thanks. I didn't know you were on the cryptology payroll. Welcome aboard!

[The Final Dakar]

See the aneurysm is so bad it's already impairing my ability to write.

And really, that's a tragedy for these entire forums.

[ort888]

Guys, I just read a story about how a guy dropped a Nexus One on his toe and it hurt like hell.

What a piece of crap!

[The Final Dakar]

You don't even need toes with an iPhone.

[ort888]

An iPhone stops a foot from the ground and slowly floats back up to your hand.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Guys, I just read a story about how a guy dropped a Nexus One on his toe and it hurt like hell.

What a piece of crap!

OMG well don't worry it rebounded right to another carrier CUZ IT'S UNLOCKED!!1!!1

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

They must have thought they could get away with an Apple of their own.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking. However, instead of screwing it up completely royally the way Apple did, they are returning the $100 automatically and without being publicly humiliated into it.

It does point to a attitude Google had about the phone, falsely riding the wave of hype riding up to its release and overpricing the unit.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Here is an example of a Android problem.

Older handsets can or cannot update to the latest OS because of small hardware differences. Providers are actually upgrading the phones with new contracts just to make people "happy".

Plus I don't see why an over the air software update can't fix this:
Rogers yanks HTC Dream from shelves for urgent emergency call fix -- Engadget

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Well, get used to it.

Flat-rate models are about to die.
Those "all-you-can-use" data plans are not sustainable in the long run.

Why ? Because you always have some idiots that use abnormally high bandwidth, paid by everyone else.
In order to guarantee QoS and available bandwidth, more and more providers are going to jump off the flat-rate bandwagon.

-t

AT&T Matches Verizon With Unlimited Talky for $70 a Month (and a Cheaper iPhone Plan) - Cellphones - Gizmodo

Verizon Wireless revamps unlimited calling, data plans | Crave - CNET

[Teronzhul]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Here is an example of a Android problem.

Older handsets can or cannot update to the latest OS because of small hardware differences. Providers are actually upgrading the phones with new contracts just to make people "happy".

So you think the gen 1 iPhone is going to be able to get every iPhone os update forever? The only android phone not slated to get 2.1 right now is the G1, and I'm already running a modified 2.1 on my G1 so I'm not all that concerned.

Plus I don't see why an over the air software update can't fix this:
Rogers yanks HTC Dream from shelves for urgent emergency call fix -- Engadget

This... well, I don't really get this. I imagine this to be a failure of Rogers more than anything else. No other carrier has this issue.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Teronzhul 

So you think the gen 1 iPhone is going to be able to get every iPhone os update forever? The only android phone not slated to get 2.1 right now is the G1, and I'm already running a modified 2.1 on my G1 so I'm not all that concerned.

Um no. But this phone isn't old at all. Rather impressive the first iPhone can run the newest OS today with no hacking.

As for the Rogers issue still strange they can't issue a OTA update but rather exchange and pull of the shelf.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Five reasons Google’s gonna kill the Nexus One - The Cody Word - MarketWatch

[Big Mac]

It's hard to take seriously any article that uses the word "wanna."

[analogue SPRINKLES]

This will make you guys happy. My friend (iPhone user) has been testing one for a couple weeks and he sent me this picture yesterday



His review "I have to admit the hardware is nice but the software sucks".

So there

P.S. He sure seems hell bent on knowing the exact time and weather all the time. :/

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

It's hard to take seriously any article that uses the word "wanna."

Yes, and there's more. Wanna see it ? Outta be fun.

Somebody outta make a full-length feature movie about

However, his points are valid.
It's not a good fit for Google.

-t

[analogue SPRINKLES]

It really does that Google is competing with both itself and its own partners. I mean Motorola makes a big commitment to create a half decent phone using Googles OS and then Google turns to HTC to make it own phone?

Lets be honest the Nexus is no iPhone Killer. It is a Droid and every other Android HTC device killer.

Why not just let HTC make the device with their name on it? Makes no sense to me.

[imitchellg5]

This week's Engadget Show had a very good interview with Eric Tseng, who is in charge of Android. The interview starts pretty much right from the beginning. Lots of talk about the Nexus One of course and Android.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

It really does that Google is competing with both itself and its own partners. I mean Motorola makes a big commitment to create a half decent phone using Googles OS and then Google turns to HTC to make it own phone?

It looks like Motorola is getting to design the Nexus Two, so perhaps they're planning to let everyone have a turn.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

It looks like Motorola is getting to design the Nexus Two, so perhaps they're planning to let everyone have a turn.

That would be completely silly.

Alas, I believe it.

-t

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

It looks like Motorola is getting to design the Nexus Two, so perhaps they're planning to let everyone have a turn.

That's confusing.

What's up with the sliding keyboards coming and going? Do people actually like those after all the reviews say they ALL suck?

[CharlesS]

Yes, believe it or not, many users do in fact desire a physical keyboard, which is probably why Google is contracting Motorola to make a phone that has one to complement the Nexus One.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Yes, believe it or not, many users do in fact desire a physical keyboard, which is probably why Google is contracting Motorola to make a phone that has one to complement the Nexus One.

Probibly. So in the end Motorola can make a device to compete against its own droid which already fills that need. So they sell 50,000 less droids and 50,000 Nexus 2 instead. Great sales model.

Anyway, 80,000 sold in one month.

Here is what should be really obvious news... more people prefer a subsidized phone cheap than an expensive phone with no contract.

Nexus One sales just 80,000 in one month | Electronista

[turtle777]

80k / month ?

LOL, the Motorola execs are probably shitting their pants.
This doesn't even pay for ads. The shitting, I mean...

-t

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Probibly. So in the end Motorola can make a device to compete against its own droid which already fills that need. So they sell 50,000 less droids and 50,000 Nexus 2 instead. Great sales model.

Really, I didn't know the Droid was a GSM phone that worked on T-Mobile. Learn something every day I guess.

Originally Posted by turtle777 

This doesn't even pay for ads.

What ads? The Nexus One hasn't had any.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Really, I didn't know the Droid was a GSM phone that worked on T-Mobile. Learn something every day I guess.

Me thinks that's a pretty easy change. But really, a moto built Nexus 2 with keyboard is the droid one already. It's no iPhone killer either and the keyboard sucks large.

Lookin' forward to the Nexus 2 that changes everything! Again!

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Oh this is great. So the Moto Droid will be upgradable to 2.1 OS.

But....

No animated desktops and you get the old apps drawer.

Why in the Hell would that be?

How is "Open" and flexible working out at all here? Seems every device out so far is different in terms of OS or upgradability. Oh wait, isn't this the reason everyone hates windows mobile? I'm not seeing any difference other than the name.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

What ads? The Nexus One hasn't had any.

My point exactly

-t

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Hmm, well my buddy at work got a Nexus to use up here on Rogers to replace his iPhone.

After 2 weeks sold the Nexus and went back to his iPhone. The reason, he really liked the hardware but hated the UI as he said it looks like each app was built separately with different UI guidelines. He isn't the type that would normally care about something like that though so it must be really bad.

Hopefully in a year the UI will be constant like iPhone 2007. By then iPhone 4.0 will be out though and they will have to start over.

[imitchellg5]

I want a Nexus One but with HTC Sense.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

I want a Nexus One but with HTC Sense.

I'm guessing what it brings to the table in terms of features is a giant flip clock and 7 day weather forecast on your home screen at all times.

Ya that sounds awesome.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

So wait, why the Hell did HTC already come out with a Nexus killer of their own so soon to compeate with their own product and make google unhappy.

Why would you want the Nexus if this thing loses the stupid trackball.

Oh wait, this thing is slower for some reason.
Desire: HTC's Answer to Nexus One

Market makes no sense to me.

[starman]

This whole Android thing makes no sense to me. Aren't there branches off branches from the original Linux code? Now the Linux team is saying that they can't check the code back into the Linux tree.

It's a mess.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

So wait, why the Hell did HTC already come out with a Nexus killer of their own so soon to compeate with their own product and make google unhappy.

Why would you want the Nexus if this thing loses the stupid trackball.

Oh wait, this thing is slower for some reason.
Desire: HTC's Answer to Nexus One

Market makes no sense to me.

HTC makes the Nexus One, so how is this a Nexus One killer? It's basically the Nexus One but with Sense. Like I wanted. It's sluggish because it's a much older build of Sense than will ship (according to Engadget). What's wrong with the trackball? It works. If you don't like it, don't use it. I'm not sure if you're being a huge iPhone fanboy here or not, but your comments about Android and HTC are pretty biased and closed minded. If you are indeed an iPhone fanboy, you should know that Apple works well under competition.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

HTC makes the Nexus One, so how is this a Nexus One killer? It's basically the Nexus One but with Sense. Like I wanted. It's sluggish because it's a much older build of Sense than will ship (according to Engadget). What's wrong with the trackball? It works. If you don't like it, don't use it. I'm not sure if you're being a huge iPhone fanboy here or not, but your comments about Android and HTC are pretty biased and closed minded. If you are indeed an iPhone fanboy, you should know that Apple works well under competition.

How is it a Nexus killer? How about because it looks just like it except the trackball that every single review (not just myself) mentioned how useless and dated it was. How about because it will compete with the nexus?

How about a couple months after they make the nexus they already make a new model?

It is made by the same company. Same target market.

God only know why you would want that OS over Android. They are both equally poor in comparison to some others.

This will only cater to a niche that want that OS for whatever reason or like the trackpad better. Or they like slower OS that are way faster when shipped.

So at the end of the day you got google who will not be thrilled as their "Google aproved phone" now has a clone out by the same company they hired to make the Nexus and at BEST case it will take sales away from Nexus. Plus you also get consumer confusion as to how it is different from the Nexus.

Sure it will work out great for everyone though!

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

How is it a Nexus killer? How about because it looks just like it except the trackball that every single review (not just myself) mentioned how useless and dated it was. How about because it will compete with the nexus?

How about a couple months after they make the nexus they already make a new model?

It is made by the same company. Same target market.

God only know why you would want that OS over Android. They are both equally poor in comparison to some others.

This will only cater to a niche that want that OS for whatever reason or like the trackpad better. Or they like slower OS that are way faster when shipped.

So at the end of the day you got google who will not be thrilled as their "Google aproved phone" now has a clone out by the same company they hired to make the Nexus and at BEST case it will take sales away from Nexus. Plus you also get consumer confusion as to how it is different from the Nexus.

Sure it will work out great for everyone though!

I think you're the only one who is confused. Sense is a skin of the Android OS, not a different OS. How is Android poor compared to any other mobile OS? It has quite powerful features, like the multitasking that you're ripping Windows Mobile 7 apart for in the other thread. Like I said, the Desire doesn't really compete with the Nexus, since it's made by the same company and it's basically the EXACT SAME PHONE. It's like saying the Mac mini with OS X client competes with the mini shipping with OS X server. People will know which one they want.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by starman 

This whole Android thing makes no sense to me. Aren't there branches off branches from the original Linux code? Now the Linux team is saying that they can't check the code back into the Linux tree.

It's a mess.

They can be merged back into the main Linux tree, but the Linux maintainers aren't going to do all the work; the Android community (/Google) needs to do the work of keeping their patches up to date so that they can be merged which they, thus far, haven't done.

I have no idea how this will all play out, but I would suspect that eventually Google will probably do the work to get the Android changes merged upstream if for no other reason than to make it easier for them to keep Android up to date.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

I think you're the only one who is confused. Sense is a skin of the Android OS, not a different OS. How is Android poor compared to any other mobile OS? It has quite powerful features, like the multitasking that you're ripping Windows Mobile 7 apart for in the other thread. Like I said, the Desire doesn't really compete with the Nexus, since it's made by the same company and it's basically the EXACT SAME PHONE. It's like saying the Mac mini with OS X client competes with the mini shipping with OS X server. People will know which one they want.

Oh pardon me, I wasn't clear on saying new OS. I mean custom SKIN on top of Android which really makes it even more pathetic. Why the need for both? Oh right bigger flip clock,

And no it is NOTHING like saying Apple sells a mini with 2 different OS's and this is the same.

This is more like Apple hiring HTC to make the iPad and then market it away only to have HTC release the iPad with a extra button and a skin on top of the OS. What would this possibly accomplish other than people not buying the apple iPad to buy the HTC iPad instead where apple makes no money.

How is android so powerful? What can it do that the iPhone or apps can't? Oh ya, a highly inconstant UI, different OS upgrades for each device, different user interface for each device? Powerful friendly stuff guess that's why it has such a small market next to the iPhone.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Oh pardon me, I wasn't clear on saying new OS. I mean custom SKIN on top of Android which really makes it even more pathetic. Why the need for both? Oh right bigger flip clock,
And no it is NOTHING like saying Apple sells a mini with 2 different OS's and this is the same.

This is more like Apple hiring HTC to make the iPad and then market it away only to have HTC release the iPad with a extra button and a skin on top of the OS. What would this possibly accomplish other than people not buying the apple iPad to buy the HTC iPad instead where apple makes no money.

How is android so powerful? What can it do that the iPhone or apps can't? Oh ya, a highly inconstant UI, different OS upgrades for each device, different user interface for each device? Powerful friendly stuff guess that's why it has such a small market next to the iPhone.

Obviously you've never used an Android phone, or one with Sense. I already told you one thing that it can do which the iPhone can't. Multitask. In the thread about Windows Mobile 7, you said that it couldn't succeed because it can't multitask. Now you change your tune? Whatever. I'm done arguing. The point is that the smartphone industry is incredibly competitive and to blindly say that one product is better than all the rest without even understanding the rest is simply ignorant and stupid.

[Teronzhul]

I don't get any of this. The Desire/Bravo is a GSM worldphone. The Nexus One is a gsm/AWS phone meant for T-Mobile USA 3g bands. It is the same phone, with different radio hardware to operate on different networks. Every device maker does this every single day. Where was the outrage at the Motorola Droid vs the Motorola Milestone? Are you going to condemn Apple when they release an iPad with a 3g radio to operate on European 3g bands?

Let me repeat. The Desire/Bravo was never designed to compete with the Nexus One. They are the same phone designed to operate on different networks in different markets.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Teronzhul 

Where was the outrage at the Motorola Droid vs the Motorola Milestone?

The Milestone works with AT&T in the US.