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mark9939
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Jul 25, 2003, 01:11 PM
 
Try to go to BuyMusic.com w/ Safari. You get this message...

In order to take full advantage of BuyMusic.com's offerings you must be on a Windows Operating System using Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher.

Interesting... no? I guess they're sick of all the crap we've been giving them.
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Jul 25, 2003, 01:13 PM
 
Originally posted by mark9939:
Try to go to BuyMusic.com w/ Safari. You get this message...

In order to take full advantage of BuyMusic.com's offerings you must be on a Windows Operating System using Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher.

Interesting... no? I guess they're sick of all the crap we've been giving them.
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Jul 25, 2003, 01:23 PM
 
Originally posted by Phanguye:
it has been like that from the start... really no point in catering to the mac community
That's not true. I went to BuyMusic.com a few times in their first day, and the entire site was available to and visible to Mac users.
     
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Jul 25, 2003, 01:26 PM
 
They can't really do that, and you are incorrect.

I tested it on konqueror on linux.
links and lynx on Mac OS X.

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Jul 25, 2003, 01:41 PM
 
DON'T change the title.

Tried it on MacOS X/Safari and Windows/Mozilla. Both failed.

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Jul 25, 2003, 01:43 PM
 
I wonder what MS has invested in this company.
     
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Jul 25, 2003, 01:49 PM
 
Originally posted by starman:
DON'T change the title.

Tried it on MacOS X/Safari and Windows/Mozilla. Both failed.

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Unless it blocks all non-ms browsers the thread title is wrong and should be changed.
     
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Jul 25, 2003, 01:56 PM
 
Hmm, I was able to go the first day with no problem. No go, now. I'll try Lynx. That worked. But I can't search. And I'm bored.
     
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Jul 25, 2003, 02:00 PM
 
The fact that it works with some non-IE browsers implies that they might actually be blocking certain specific browsers instead of just everything but IE. Weird. And damn annoying.
     
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Jul 25, 2003, 02:06 PM
 
Originally posted by IUJHJSDHE:
Unless it blocks all non-ms browsers the thread title is wrong and should be changed.
"In order to take full advantage of BuyMusic.com's offerings you must be on a Windows Operating System using Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher"
thread title is not wrong
     
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Jul 25, 2003, 02:10 PM
 
Holy crap...BuyMusic.com is such a friggin rip off. How can the designers/marketers feel anything but self loathing after creating this? Let's see...what on that site WASN'T copied from Apple?
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Jul 25, 2003, 02:33 PM
 
now this is funny, I went in with Safari 1.0, it started loading the page, so far so good, some images appeared, more images, the page was about to finish and suddenly boom ... the message appears ...
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Jul 25, 2003, 02:34 PM
 
Originally posted by IUJHJSDHE:
They can't really do that, and you are incorrect.
Check out the javascript, the comment even says "//IE5+ required, netscape, macs, and opera are not supported". And the script looks for anything that says netscape, mac, or opera and sends them to the ierequired.htm page, then it checks to see if the user agent is less than 5. Lynx works because of the lack of javascript.

Disable javascript, or change your browser's user agent string if you want to look through the site (it wasn't that way on the first day, as people have mentioned).
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Jul 26, 2003, 03:24 AM
 
yet another reason for Apple to sue
     
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Jul 26, 2003, 05:58 AM
 
LOL! I think its hilarious. What would they gain from blocking certain machines/software? Doesn't it seem a bit... well, childish? After reading reports from other MacNN users, I don't think I'm missing much...
     
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Jul 26, 2003, 06:08 AM
 
and Apple should do the excact oposite by making iTunes music store available to everyone as quickly as posible.
     
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Jul 26, 2003, 07:56 AM
 
Originally posted by OB1:
LOL! I think its hilarious. What would they gain from blocking certain machines/software? Doesn't it seem a bit... well, childish? After reading reports from other MacNN users, I don't think I'm missing much...
You're right. The only reason to view it is the same reason people look at car wrecks: Its sick and twisted but people love gore and destruction.
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Jul 26, 2003, 07:59 AM
 
Originally posted by OB1:
LOL! I think its hilarious. What would they gain from blocking certain machines/software? Doesn't it seem a bit... well, childish? After reading reports from other MacNN users, I don't think I'm missing much...
I agree.

It's interesting to note how PC users always act like Apple is so irrelevant but they seem sure to spend a fair amount of energy proving that's not so.
     
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Jul 26, 2003, 01:42 PM
 
Yeah, well I'm loving this because they just shot 30%-50% of their potential buyers (remember that doesn't just include mr home user that uses DELL but linux and bsd users as well!!!!)

Anyone who uses sco unix, bsdi, freebsd, openbsd, redhat linux, mandrake linux, (thinks).. any other variety of *n?x, and of course, amiga OS (probably os4)..

got blocked too. Realize that these people account for a fat deal of technically literate users out there.. you take them away and suddenly it's not so easy.

I have no confidence at all that the normal home user can sucessfully buy music and a place like buymusic.com will only scare them away with their rediculous licensing system.

I'm wondering if they just want to leave a nasty taste in enough people's mouths to kill the market for everyone else (including apple because when itunes comes for windows it seems like it might not be as popular thanks to the bad reputations buymusic is going to give out)
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Jul 26, 2003, 02:25 PM
 
90%+ of websurfing is done with IE on a PC.
     
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Jul 26, 2003, 02:45 PM
 
Yes spliff. 90% of IE users don't have a clue as to what an MP3 is.
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Jul 26, 2003, 02:52 PM
 
BuyMusic appears to be highly dependent on Microsoft technology. It uses ActiveX controls, .NET servers, Windows Media DRM, and all kinds of other proprietary Microsoft stuff.

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft developed the whole complete package and they're planning to sell it several companies.
     
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Jul 26, 2003, 02:56 PM
 
Requires Windows Media 9 Series.

Which requires Internet Explorer for Windows for the time being.

Try viewing the iTunes Music Store with a browser that isn't Safari-based.

You can't.

Goes both ways.
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Jul 26, 2003, 03:18 PM
 
You can't view the iTMS with any browser, since it isn't web-based. iTunes is using QuickTime to render the Music Store.
     
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Jul 26, 2003, 03:23 PM
 
Originally posted by jfinete:
You can't view the iTMS with any browser, since it isn't web-based. iTunes is using QuickTime to render the Music Store.
no it's not.
     
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Jul 26, 2003, 05:15 PM
 
Originally posted by CheesePuff:
no it's not.
uh... the only way you can view the iTMS is in iTunes. you cant view it with a browser. you have to have iTunes 4 to view the music store.

     
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Jul 26, 2003, 07:41 PM
 
Originally posted by fireside:
uh... the only way you can view the iTMS is in iTunes. you cant view it with a browser. you have to have iTunes 4 to view the music store.

Which is rendered using the Safari browser built into Mac OS X.

It ain't QuickTime. If it were, the iTunes Music Store would be available for Windows and Classic Mac OS now.
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Jul 26, 2003, 07:56 PM
 
Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
Which is rendered using the Safari browser built into Mac OS X.

It ain't QuickTime.
iTunes doesn't use the Safari browser for the music store as proven by the lack of WebCore.framework in the iTunes bundle.
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Jul 26, 2003, 08:49 PM
 
Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
Which is rendered using the Safari browser built into Mac OS X.

It ain't QuickTime. If it were, the iTunes Music Store would be available for Windows and Classic Mac OS now.
As far I as I can tell, iTunes Music Store does not use Apple's WebCore (Safari) framework. iTunes 4 was released weeks before the beta of Safari that turned the Safari engine into a framework for the OS...

Instead, iTunes uses its own XML browser. Its an XML interface, believe it or not.

http://www.tnl.net/blog/2003/5/5#App...dtheMusicStore

Finally, your point that if it were Quicktime, it would have been released on Windows already is doubtful. The task of making iTunes Music available on Windows is not totally technical. Indeed, most of Apple's pieces (Quicktime, the iPod, AAC decoding) are already in place on Windows. Instead, most of Apple's hurdles are purely from a licensing standpoint. At last notice, only 2 of the major record companies agreed to the same deal as on the Mac with a Windows version. Negotiations with these record companies again are where this thing is slowing down.

And once again, don't hold your breath on iTunes Music for classic mac os. Apple hasn't updated iTunes since version 2.0 on Mac OS 9, and they sure as heck won't make the jump to 4.0 to enable the store.
     
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Jul 27, 2003, 03:24 AM
 
Wait Apple garunteed it before the end of the year, but then didn't even have it all worked out? That's kinda lame... hope it all works out and Apple doesn't turn out to be the high profile unwilling puppet of the labels...
     
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Jul 27, 2003, 05:40 PM
 
well for equalizing.

Kazaalite's site doesn't allow non MS browsers either.
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Jul 28, 2003, 07:46 PM
 
Sure would be nice if Apple, aol TIME WARNER, and Opera all sued Buymusic.com.

However, I doubt it.
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