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Oct 13, 2015, 04:04 PM
 
Playboy Goes PG And The Village Voice Changes Hands, Again | Deadline

I've had a subscription for almost my entire adult life, going on 25 years (since I was 21), but I won't be re-subscribing after this goes into effect. Frankly, it's become so PC of late that even the articles are worthless, and this is the last straw. Oh well. So long Playboy, and thanks for all the flesh.
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Oct 13, 2015, 04:05 PM
 
Odd, I can't imagine the tits were the reason to still be subscribed to Playboy.
     
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Oct 13, 2015, 04:08 PM
 
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Odd, I can't imagine the tits were the reason to still be subscribed to Playboy.
They didn't hurt. Fundamentally, it's just the final nail in the coffin.
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Oct 13, 2015, 04:13 PM
 
It's the nail in the coffin as far a pornographic aficionados or legacy subscribers. If the person liked their written content, I'm not sure this changes all that much. The question is whether they can pick up new blood with the move. Or if it'll outweigh the losses. Given the print market, unlikely.
     
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Oct 13, 2015, 05:07 PM
 
This doesn't seem PC to me. One can't really ignore the bottom falling out of the tit market.
     
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Oct 13, 2015, 05:23 PM
 
The war on nudity has been brutal, and it's a crying shame. The sexual revolution is dead and the puritans are taking over, welcome to the new Victorian era.
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Oct 13, 2015, 05:24 PM
 
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This doesn't seem PC to me. One can't really ignore the bottom falling out of the tit market.
You've not been reading it for the last few years, it's been is a truly sad state.
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Oct 13, 2015, 05:53 PM
 
Not sure I ever read it.
     
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Oct 13, 2015, 05:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
The war on nudity has been brutal, and it's a crying shame. The sexual revolution is dead and the puritans are taking over, welcome to the new Victorian era.
It has more to do with all the free porn on the net. I don't know how the pay channels survive with all the free video and pic websites. Hilton dropped the porn channels from their hotels, but still allows people to access porn sites on wifi.
     
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Oct 13, 2015, 06:15 PM
 
That doesn't address the PC route the company has taken in its content (boobies aside). Specifically, their adoption of overt identity politics and neo-progressivism over the last 10 years has been very obvious, and a true shame to witness.
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Oct 13, 2015, 09:29 PM
 
Wow. You think this is because of PC content?

How quaintly delusional.
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Wow. You think this is because of PC content?

How quaintly delusional.
That's juvenile. Do you normally blame the effect rather than the cause? Of course you do, what was I thinking?
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Oct 14, 2015, 06:29 AM
 
Commercial interests under pressure to grow are naturally rendering themselves as inoffensive as possible to absolutely everyone. Hollywood did it which is why we don't get 18 or R rated action flicks very often because you make more cash per household if they can take the kids. And because the kids are more likely to drag parents to see stuff.

Not sure how Playboy plans to differentiate itself from an already full market of Maxim, FHM and various other advert catalogues with occasional lingerie shots and articles about cigars and posh watches.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Oct 14, 2015, 06:37 AM
 
In the days before tech blogs, I used to love the UK version of Stuff magazine, but felt the cheesecake struck me as silly.
     
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Oct 14, 2015, 06:57 AM
 
That's what's so funny about this, they go from being a publisher of gentleman's magazines (the USA has few of those that aren't simply straight-up porn) and adult content, to becoming just another Maxim/FHM/Cosmo advertising platform. "We're going to do something different and unique, just like those other guys."
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Oct 14, 2015, 07:00 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
In the days before tech blogs, I used to love the UK version of Stuff magazine, but felt the cheesecake struck me as silly.
Do you find nudity offensive?
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Oct 14, 2015, 09:09 AM
 
I stopped looking at playboy sometime in the 80s when I became a master of panty removal.
Seriously tho, IMO the magazine lost its edge sometime in the late 70s, but was at its peak maybe late 60s-77 or so when the sexual revolution was in full swing. All I know is that the very year I joined the Playboy Club (in NYC) it closed, so whatever.
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Oct 14, 2015, 09:41 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
The war on nudity has been brutal, and it's a crying shame. The sexual revolution is dead and the puritans are taking over, welcome to the new Victorian era.
Oh boy, there's a war on nudity? I hadn't noticed.

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That's what's so funny about this, they go from being a publisher of gentleman's magazines (the USA has few of those that aren't simply straight-up porn) and adult content, to becoming just another Maxim/FHM/Cosmo advertising platform. "We're going to do something different and unique, just like those other guys."
Well, if the other guys have better circulation, who can blame them...

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I stopped looking at playboy sometime in the 80s when I became a master of panty removal.
Seriously tho, IMO the magazine lost its edge sometime in the late 70s, but was at its peak maybe late 60s-77 or so when the sexual revolution was in full swing. All I know is that the very year I joined the Playboy Club (in NYC) it closed, so whatever.
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Hilton dropped the porn channels from their hotels, but still allows people to access porn sites on wifi.
     
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Oct 14, 2015, 09:54 AM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post

Jesus, how old are you?
Probably younger than you... Nearly every male adult I knew had playboy laying around openly, every barber shop, etc, plus I was hanging out in bars at 15 with the 'grownups' in nyc. But even at a much younger age I had access to playboy.

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Oct 14, 2015, 10:36 AM
 
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Oh boy, there's a war on nudity? I hadn't noticed.
Where were you when the feminists were crying over; boobies on Game of Thrones? UK Lads' mags? Pornography in general? Don't you know? Nudity is exploitation, or some crap like that.

Well, if the other guys have better circulation, who can blame them...
If they did that would make sense, but as stated earlier, the market they're moving into is more saturated than the one they're leaving.
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Oct 14, 2015, 10:40 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Where were you when the feminists were crying over; boobies on Game of Thrones? UK Lads' mags? Pornography in general? Don't you know? Nudity is exploitation, or some crap like that.
That's a war? GOT hate is on the sexual assaults, which if understandable but problematic in that it shows an ignorance of our own medieval history, feminism has hated porn for as long as I can remember.

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If they did that would make sense, but as stated earlier, the market they're moving into is more saturated than the one they're leaving.
Is a saturated market worse than a dying market? It's sort of like moving from NC-17 to R. That R rating will get you in a lot more places.
     
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Oct 14, 2015, 10:55 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
The war on nudity has been brutal, and it's a crying shame. The sexual revolution is dead and the puritans are taking over, welcome to the new Victorian era.
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Where were you when the feminists were crying over; boobies on Game of Thrones? UK Lads' mags? Pornography in general? Don't you know? Nudity is exploitation, or some crap like that.

If they did that would make sense, but as stated earlier, the market they're moving into is more saturated than the one they're leaving.
The last time I checked, people were defending Lena Dunham for being nude so often in Girls (this is a post about the issue, not necessarily a defense).

Speaking from the the "puritanical," try-to-avoid-nudity-besides-my-wife side of things, nudity is not on the downswing. If anything, it's more pervasive than ever. The problem for Playboy is as simple as Hugh and the guy who had the idea have clearly stated: they can't compete with Internet pornography.

I think what you're actually upset about is that the glory days when nudity was considered mostly off-limits and dangerous have been over for about 15 years.

These days, you can have immediate access to nudity and sex of any variety, so Playboy was already considered archaic. Their subscription numbers for the magazine plummeted, but their web traffic increased exponentially when they removed nudity from their site.
     
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their web traffic increased exponentially when they removed nudity from their site.
I hadn't heard this. Interesting.
     
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Oct 14, 2015, 11:03 AM
 
Source.

The company cleaned up its Web site last year and saw traffic quadruple and the median age of its readers move from 47 years of age to 30, “an attractive demographic for advertisers,” its statement noted.
Mostly pure speculation here, but it could be that over-exposed, younger readers are far less impressed with nudity, and instead gravitate towards cause-based content.
     
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Oct 14, 2015, 11:07 AM
 
After reading Jawbone's comment - I kind of agree - nudity is everywhere, we've become desensitized. Back in the day you had to work at getting a glimpse of a booby.
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Originally Posted by Jawbone54 View Post
Source.



Mostly pure speculation here, but it could be that over-exposed, younger readers are far less impressed with nudity, and instead gravitate towards cause-based content.
It's scant on the details, but a quadrupling of traffic is nothing to downplay. Damn.
     
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After reading Jawbone's comment - I kind of agree - nudity is everywhere, we've become desensitized. Back in the day you had to work at getting a glimpse of a booby.
We used to watch Baywatch for the skimpy outfits. Pokies were a special event.
     
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We used to watch Baywatch for the skimpy outfits. Pokies were a special event.
lol, and later Friends' Jennifer Aniston's pokies were often a highlight of peak interest.
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That's a war? GOT hate is on the sexual assaults, which if understandable but problematic in that it shows an ignorance of our own medieval history, feminism has hated porn for as long as I can remember.
Sexual assaults on fictional characters.
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Sexual assaults on fictional characters.
It's about the portrayal of women as victims. Some people see it as a perpetuation of a cliché or stereotype.

I don't see any merit in giving thought to people who ignore that Jaime gets raped as well, or that the depiction of sexism and violence if historically accurate to the time period Martin used for inspiration.
     
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Originally Posted by Jawbone54 View Post
These days, you can have immediate access to nudity and sex of any variety, so Playboy was already considered archaic. Their subscription numbers for the magazine plummeted, but their web traffic increased exponentially when they removed nudity from their site.
Completely temporary:

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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
It's about the portrayal of women as victims. Some people see it as a perpetuation of a cliché or stereotype.

I don't see any merit in giving thought to people who ignore that Jaime gets raped as well, or that the depiction of sexism and violence if historically accurate to the time period Martin used for inspiration.
Also ignoring that what happened to Theon is worse than anything that's happened to any female character on the show. It's a depiction of medieval life, which by all accounts was brutal all-around.
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Hilton dropped the porn channels from their hotels, but still allows people to access porn sites on wifi.
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It had to with revenue from PPV porn dropping. Why pay $10 when you can watch free on your iPad?

'We have actually seen the way the TV works in a hotel room change. It is now largely a monitor for us to use with our own devices.

'People use it as a device to order room service or facilitate checkout or access other services within the hotel. It is a communication monitor as opposed to a source of entertainment.'



After Marriott pulled their adult movies in 2011, Alec Helmy, owner of adult-industry magazine Xbiz, said it showed how the on-demand industry had 'tanked' in recent years.

He estimated that demand for adult pay-per-view films had dropped by 50 per cent in the years leading up to 2011, adding that such services are 'just not profitable anymore'.

Two years after Marriott dropped on-demand pornography in its hotels, LodgeNet, the company which provided them with pay-per-view content, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

According to reports filed at the time, LodgeNet had seen profits fall from an all-time high of $533.9million in 2088, to $421.3million in 2011.

That fall represented a 21 per cent drop in profits just at the time on-demand services such as Hulu and Netflix were gaining huge popularity, and occurred even before Marriott dropped on-demand adult films.


Read more: Hilton to stop selling pay-per-view porn in its hotels - but hints that customers will still be able to access adult movies via WiFi | Daily Mail Online
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There'd be room for more HD channels if DirecTV would follow thw lead and drop all the HD PPV and subsciption porn channels.
     
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It had to with revenue from PPV porn dropping. Why pay $10 when you can watch free on your iPad?
That doesn't address the part I bolded.
     
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Do you find nudity offensive?
Are you asking in a general sense, or about the cheesecake specifically in that magazine?

And to clarify, there wasn't any actual nudity, just skimpy outfits.
     
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That doesn't address the part I bolded.
Are you recommending Hilton block porn sites?
     
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Are you recommending Hilton block porn sites?
Do you think I am?
     
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Wired is saying that playboy makes more from logo merchandise than from subscriptions.
     
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As others have said, the reason for this is the ubiquity and cheapness of porn. It's hard to compete with free.
     
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Wired is saying that playboy makes more from logo merchandise than from subscriptions.
They are very much trading on their old brand and Heff's lifestyle than they are on printing pics of naked ladies. It makes absolute sense that their logo is more profitable than the mag.

I always thought the magazines USP was in its ability to persuade A and B list female celebrities to pose naked when other publications could not. Maybe that doesn't generate anyone the circulation and PR they desire any more. Maybe its because most of them are all but naked in FHM et al or more than naked when they leak their sex tapes or get their iClouds hacked.

I'm sure a centrefold of Jennifer Lawrence or Emma Stone would sell a few copies but I can't see there would be much in it for them. I almost think that the brand used to be so strong that even a lot of women secretly liked the idea of being in it. Now they just get their own instagram or whatever I guess.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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The last time I bought a Playboy was the one with Carnie Wilson, so both only for a celebrity, and more than 10 years ago.
     
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Are you asking in a general sense, or about the cheesecake specifically in that magazine?

And to clarify, there wasn't any actual nudity, just skimpy outfits.
Why does "cheesecake" bother you? The woman made more for that shoot than most people make in a week (if not more).
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Wired is saying that playboy makes more from logo merchandise than from subscriptions.
That'll likely slow down considerably when their brand is no longer associated with pretty nudes.

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As others have said, the reason for this is the ubiquity and cheapness of porn. It's hard to compete with free.
and there will always be people who appreciate quality over quantity (or aren't titillated by the "[email protected] shot of the day").
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Why does "cheesecake" bother you? The woman made more for that shoot than most people make in a week (if not more).
It doesn't bother me in and of itself, but this was an example of a pretty common thing I'm bothered by, which is the cheesecake being thrown into inappropriate contexts, like a gadget magazine.
     
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Do you think I am?
You highlighted that they still allow accessing via wifi.
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That's juvenile. Do you normally blame the effect rather than the cause? Of course you do, what was I thinking?
You are very much out of touch. As self-evidenced by the fact that you still have a Playboy subscription.

There's nothing wrong with that. But there's no need to go rampaging about to blame larger societal ills just because your classy titty mag of choice is going, errrr, tits up.
Mankind's only chance is to harness the power of stupid.
     
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Oct 15, 2015, 12:24 AM
 
Your comment makes it sound like you don't read it very often.
     
 
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