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Faces up to a minimum of fifteen years on kidnapping count alone. Could face rest of life in prison with other counts.
Damn, spelled guilty wrong in thread title. So shoot me. I was so jacked.
O.J. Simpson found guilty on all counts
O.J. Simpson and his co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart were found guilty Friday on 12 counts of armed robbery and kidnapping in a 2007 sports memorabilia heist in Las Vegas, Nevada. The verdict come 13 years to the day after a Los Angeles, California, jury acquitted him of the murders of his ex-wife and her friend.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/04/...ict/index.html
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Awww, it looks like he's been crying. Poor fellow. Now tell my you all don't feel sorry for him.
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Poor fellow. Now tell my you all don't feel sorry for him.
I don't feel sorry for him.
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I haven't been following this. Who did he kidnap? I read that article and there wasn't much about kidnapping.
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YAAAA HOOOO!!!!!!!! Finally that SOB is done. I'll bet there are lots of Bill fans in prison. OJ's going to need a "Tight End" in population. I'll bet he ends up separated from the general population due to violence from the Skin Head gangs. They will want revenge for Nicole. If he stays in population he will need protection from Black Gangs. They will be sympathetic to the whole racial injustice thing.
Either way he is screwed. Literally.
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Ok, from the descriptions I've been reading, everything sounds like armed robbery. I still don't get this kidnapping bit.
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PDF of original criminal complaint against Simpson
It would seem my understanding of kidnapping was overly restrictive.
Anyways, I'm pleased. It will be interesting to see how well he does in prison, given his history. There's a big chance somebody will beat the crap out of him for the perceived injustice of his acquittal in the murder trial.
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Awesome! How much of an idiot is he for organizing something like this, regardless of the use of weapons? His ego finally caught up to him. Good riddance!
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Wow, I just don't see how he can possibly be guilty *sarcasm*
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This thread proves that there's no way on earth he could have had a "fair trial".
America, your legal system is fsked.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
This thread proves that there's no way on earth he could have had a "fair trial".
America, your legal system is fsked.
Isn't it based on the English legal system?
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Isn't it based on the the English legal system?
I believe it is. Ours is fsked too - but in a different way, since we've had 200-odd years of divergence.
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Originally Posted by Eug
Ok, from the descriptions I've been reading, everything sounds like armed robbery. I still don't get this kidnapping bit.
When he went in his friends had guns, and he told them not to let the captives leave. Holding a person against his or her own will like that is kidnapping according to the law.
Anyways, I'm pleased. It will be interesting to see how well he does in prison, given his history. There's a big chance somebody will beat the crap out of him for the perceived injustice of his acquittal in the murder trial.
As people have pointed out, a lot of inmates will probably treat him like a hero. He'll get the Martha Stewart treatment anyway. And that's if the convictions are upheld. I actually know one of the "victims" personally, Al Beardsley. He started saying O.J. was framed after saying for months that he was guilty. He also supported O.J. during the criminal trial, which is why he ended up with a lot of that memorabilia that O.J. was trying to get back from him all these years later (which was supposed to go to Fred Goldman due to the civil judgment). Beardsley told me was writing a book, but I heard on the news he's currently behind bars for an unrelated parole violation.
Originally Posted by Doofy
This thread proves that there's no way on earth he could have had a "fair trial". America, your legal system is fsked.
Are you saying he didn't get a fair shake in 1994? Their version of reasonable doubt was more than fair. It's quite funny he was too stupid to stay out of trouble. I just hope he doesn't get the convictions overturned. It good that a double murderer is finally paying for crimes with prison time.
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Are you saying he didn't get a fair shake in 1994?
I'm saying that there wasn't a person on that jury who hadn't already made their minds up about him.
Originally Posted by Big Mac
It good that a double murderer is finally paying for crimes with prison time.
See? That's what I'm talking about. According to the law, he's not a murderer.
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In the US Court and legal system, it doesn't mean a load of **** what you BELIEVE. It means a huge load of **** as to what you can PROVE.
BS. I remember watching the trial of Louise Woodward, a UK nanny accusing of shaking a baby to death. She was found guilty on no evidence whatsoever.
It's all about who the jury thinks has the nicest hair.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
This thread proves that there's no way on earth he could have had a "fair trial".
Are you black ?
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America, your legal system is fsked.
What would you suggest to make it better?
Do you think he didn't get a fair shake the first time (the murder trial)?
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Originally Posted by design219
What would you suggest to make it better?
No jury. In exceptional circumstances where the defendant is know to the whole of the general public, a jury trial cannot be "fair".
Originally Posted by design219
Do you think he didn't get a fair shake the first time (the murder trial)?
Yeah. He got a fair shake then. But the zillions of people who were watching it (heck you even had little screens on petrol pumps so you wouldn't miss a thing) are now the jury - and not a one of them will be coming to the trial with a fresh outlook on things.
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In the 21st century where everyone can be known given any sort of notoriety, is every notorious defendant then incapable of receiving a fair jury trial? As I recall a defendant can waive a jury trial in favor of a judge. Is that not also unfair, given that the judge will also know of the defendant?
Given your standard, how does someone like OJ receive a fair trial?
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Originally Posted by Cold Warrior
In the 21st century where everyone can be known given any sort of notoriety, is every notorious defendant then incapable of receiving a fair jury trial? As I recall a defendant can waive a jury trial in favor of a judge. Is that not also unfair, given that the judge will also know of the defendant?
Given your standard, how does someone like OJ receive a fair trial?
A judge has experience in being more impartial than a committee of people off the street with their minds already made up before the opening argument. The is no such thing as a fair trial by a jury for a high profile case that has media coverage like that. Putting a gag order on the media is about the only thing that will at least get some form of fair. When the stuff is all out in the public, there is no way it's going to be fair, no matter how much you think.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/04/...ury/index.html
Summary: We couldn't get him then, so we can now? Payback.
Granted this time he was a damn idiot for being in THIS situation in the first place. He shouldn't have left the country and never came back. He has been, and always will be a target here.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
Yeah. He got a fair shake then. But the zillions of people who were watching it (heck you even had little screens on petrol pumps so you wouldn't miss a thing) are now the jury - and not a one of them will be coming to the trial with a fresh outlook on things.
That bullsh!t.
Mind you, I'm by far not a proponent of the Anglo-American legal system. I think it lacks in many ways. But in this case, he did more than enough this second time round to warrant the sentence. He's an idiot. You can't blame that on the legal system.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
Yeah. He got a fair shake then.
I'm not sure I'd call getting away with murder "fair." That trial was like a laundry list of all the crap that's wrong in society.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
As people have pointed out, a lot of inmates will probably treat him like a hero.
Yeah, but methinks some won't. He's in a precarious position.
If he murdered a child molestor, he'd be a hero in prison, but he didn't.
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Yeah, but methinks some won't. He's in a precarious position.
If he murdered a child molestor, he'd be a hero in prison, but he didn't.
Those who would hate him in prison (whites, primarily, I would guess) aren't going to get anywhere near him unless there's a concerted effort by prison guards to put him in danger. The bigger threat to him would be from himself, i.e. suicide. IMO.
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Originally Posted by Chuckit
I'm not sure I'd call getting away with murder "fair."
See, there ya go. The US legal system found him to be "not guilty" of murder, yet many people simply think he "got away with it". That's bias, and should be nowhere near a jury.
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gofridge does not like the Buffalo Bills either, but gofridge does not think that playing for the Bills means that you deserve to go to jail for life.
Only Packers deserve that.
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Originally Posted by gofridge
gofridge does not like the Buffalo Bills either, but gofridge does not think that playing for the Bills means that you deserve to go to jail for life.
Only Packers deserve that.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
See, there ya go. The US legal system found him to be "not guilty" of murder, yet many people simply think he "got away with it". That's bias, and should be nowhere near a jury.
The bias that he "got away with it" should be nowhere near any jury deciding O.J.'s fate - that's something we all agree with in principle. The American justice system has various tools it employs to reduce the amount of bias on juries, but no system is perfect. What changes would you make to further remove the bias? Restrain media coverage surrounding prosecutions like they do in England? That would clash with the 1st Amendment. . . .
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gofridge is a broken record.
gofridge is confused. gofridge has never commented on the Buffalo Bills, nor the American judicial system before.
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Originally Posted by Eug
I haven't been following this. Who did he kidnap? I read that article and there wasn't much about kidnapping.
The kidnapping charge is a technicality. Basically, he and cohorts held two people at gunpoint while they gathered up the stuff they planned to steal. The prosecution argued that to be kidnapping (which it technically is).
Of course, OJ could be charged with committing a crime in New York while having a rock solid alibi placing him in LA, and he'd probably still be found guilty by a jury.
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See, there ya go. The US legal system found him to be "not guilty" of murder, yet many people simply think he "got away with it". That's bias, and should be nowhere near a jury.
No, but the weaselly tactics his lawyers used to get him off didn't belong in front of a jury either.
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See, there ya go. The US legal system found him to be "not guilty" of murder, yet many people simply think he "got away with it". That's bias, and should be nowhere near a jury.
Not guilty is a long way from innocent. Just means there was reasonable doubt which of course there wasn't. It was simply a case of jury nullification. you can look that up. If it was any other poor slob they'd be doing 426.2 years. The evidence (DNA) was irrefutable. The evidence was simply over their heads. Their stupidity is is evidenced that they were on a jury in the first place.
You can call this one a fair trial. No dream team to baffle the jurors with bullsheet.
13 years ago<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>now
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Originally Posted by Doofy
See, there ya go. The US legal system found him to be "not guilty" of murder, yet many people simply think he "got away with it". That's bias, and should be nowhere near a jury.
Exactly.
Since everybody is convinced he's `guilty of murdering his wife,' I find it hard to believe that he was able to get a fair, impartial trial this time. They simply did an Al Capone on him.
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Not guilty is a long way from innocent. Just means there was reasonable doubt which of course there wasn't.
He was found not guilty in the eyes of the law. Whether he is innocent or not, we will never know (nobody will be able to prove it either way), but this is not important. Many people will think that he's not innocent, though. But since we live in a society under the rule of law (and not the rule of the mob and supposedly well-informed). His fame and all the undue media attention put so much pressure on all of involved parties that I doubt it could even be a fair trial.
In dubio pre reo implies that `you let 10 guilty people go to prevent 1 innocent person from being punished' (although that's largely theory). Since justice is supposed to be blind (again, a theoretical principle), it also holds for Simpson. I can't understand all this cheering.
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You speak like the fact that Simpson was found not guilty in the eyes of the law is anything but an indictment of the law itself. Ultimately, the law is about justice and equality, not silly Latin phrases. Two people's deaths going unpunished because of racial baiting is the furthest thing from justice.
I agree that it's a shame he couldn't get a more fair trial this time, but I don't see any good suggestions as to how that could have happened. Have I missed something? I imagine a trial without bias is hard to find even in low-profile cases ("Oh, he reminds me of my grandson…"). At any rate, he's previously benefited from a dirty trial, so if he wound up getting convicted in one, it seems like karma to me.
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Plus, of course, isn't all this current palaver related to the original trial anyways?
If your justice system worked properly, he wouldn't have been facing a civil suit, so he wouldn't have had to hide his memorabilia, so he wouldn't have had to go steal it back.
As far as I'm concerned, if a court says you're not guilty then anyone bringing a civil suit against that person for the same event should be found in contempt of court and jailed. Bringing a civil suit against someone who a court has said isn't guilty is basically the same as telling the court they're wrong, yes?
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Originally Posted by Chuckit
You speak like the fact that Simpson was found not guilty in the eyes of the law is anything but an indictment of the law itself. Ultimately, the law is about justice and equality, not silly Latin phrases. Two people's deaths going unpunished because of racial baiting is the furthest thing from justice.
It's not a silly Latin phrase, it's the foundation of criminal law in the modern world. The prosecution has had its chance to convince a jury of the guilt of him, not a suspicion of guilt. Juries don't find people `innocent of a crime,' because nobody can prove what he has not done. You can only prove what you have done at the time of the murder, for example. So two people's deaths have gone unpunished, because nobody has been found guilty of the murder yet.
Originally Posted by Chuckit
I agree that it's a shame he couldn't get a more fair trial this time, but I don't see any good suggestions as to how that could have happened. Have I missed something? I imagine a trial without bias is hard to find even in low-profile cases ("Oh, he reminds me of my grandson…").
This is not just a small bias based on some ulterior motive of a small-minded or prejudiced person. The previous case has been all over the news. Most people on the street have decided he's guilty of murder and that he has gotten away with it. The bias here has nothing to do with the one found in smaller cases.
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At any rate, he's previously benefited from a dirty trial, so if he wound up getting convicted in one, it seems like karma to me.
The notion of karma doesn't exist in modern systems of law. Nor is it karma that someone undergoes an unfair trial.
Simpson's case is by no means unique: a husband is accused of murdering his wife, but found not guilty. But the media attention it has received makes it rather unique. If he were John Doe (black or not), the next jury wouldn't know about his past court cases where he was found not guilty.
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Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense!
Why would a Wookiee -- an eight foot tall Wookiee -- want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!
But more importantly, you have to ask yourself: what does that have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!
Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense.
And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.
If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
See? That's what I'm talking about. According to the law, he's not a murderer.
According to the law, he is a murderer. He lost his civil trial, where he was found guilty of the murders and convicted to pay some 33 million Dollars. It's Amaraca special "law" that he escaped into another state, where he can keep most of his money out of the compensation scheme for the victims.
PB.
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