[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

One, I'm not old enough to have been voting for 30 years. I align with Democrats who live around here, so I vote for them (usually), just because Dems in other areas of the country act like socialists doesn't mean we all do.
Two, I'm quite aware there are other parties, I just stated I'm voting 3rd party in the Pres election this year.
Three, If you haven't seen how many times I've declared that I'm far Left on social matters, you're either blind or you've had a head injury. I'm thinking the latter, caused by all the bowing and scraping to the DNC.

What "far LEFT" views would that be?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

I think the real problem here is that the Obama administration is conflating the two in their messaging. There is no evidence of #2 at all other than the fact that a film exists. Which film exactly seems sketchy, but we'll leave that alone. WIthout question, there was vastly more evidence for #1, on day one. But, the Obama administration tried to conflate the two. Their messaging went out over multiple airwaves, after multiple days, and multiple times including at the podium in front of the entire UN body -- essentially decrying the video for causing spontaneous violence. In fact, there have been several attacks in the region in the months prior, and several requests for bolstered US presence declined. No video. No film to blame. The question to many, whether we like it or not, is whether or not our President has really been as successful in his foreign policy as he'd have you believe and if he's dishonest enough to be this sloppy. There are questions of Al Qaeda's resurgence in the Middle East that do not play nice in Obama's stump.

Actually, Mitt Romney was conflating the two. Mitt Romney held a press conference on 9/11/12 attacking Pres. Obama by conflating the two issues.

Pres. Obama shot back on 9/12 saying Mitt Romney "Tends to shot first and aim later" for conflating the two issues.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

What "far LEFT" views would that be?

Pro gay and plural civil unions, complete drug decriminalization, pro-embryonic stem cell research, pro-choice*, anti-capital punishment**, pro-physician assisted suicide, pro-alternative energy (I even own an electric car now), pro-ACLU (most of the time), anti-Patriot Act, pro-immigration with fast-track visa processing at the border***, pro-separation of State and Church... I'm sure there are others, that's off the top of my head.



* within first 4 months of pregnancy
** except in matters of multiple homicide of an especially brutal nature and where there is no doubt.
*** make it simple with same-day visa processing, with screening for felons and illicit materials. Provide amnesty for existing aliens who volunteer for visa processing. Toughen security and penalties for illegals and those who refuse screening.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Pro gay and plural civil unions, complete drug decriminalization, pro-embryonic stem cell research, pro-choice*, anti-capital punishment**, pro-physician assisted suicide, pro-alternative energy (I even own an electric car now), pro-ACLU (most of the time), anti-Patriot Act, pro-immigration with fast-track visa processing at the border***, pro-separation of State and Church... I'm sure there are others, that's off the top of my head.
* within first 4 months of pregnancy
** except in matters of multiple homicide of an especially brutal nature and where there is no doubt.
*** make it simple with same-day visa processing, with screening for felons and illicit materials. Provide amnesty for existing aliens who volunteer for visa processing. Toughen security and penalties for illegals and those who refuse screening.

A lot of these are not "far left" opinions. They are mainstream opinions.

Seriously, do you think "pro-separation of State and Church" is a "far left" opinion? What planet do you live on?

[OAW]

To be fair .... and let's be clear I'm not trying to speak for Shaddim ... but my impression from his posting history is that he's a "left leaning libertarian" from an ideological standpoint. Which doesn't neatly fit into standard Democratic party positions on all issues. Or am I missing something?

OAW

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Pro gay and plural civil unions, complete drug decriminalization, pro-embryonic stem cell research, pro-choice*, anti-capital punishment**, pro-physician assisted suicide, pro-alternative energy (I even own an electric car now), pro-ACLU (most of the time), anti-Patriot Act, pro-immigration with fast-track visa processing at the border***, pro-separation of State and Church... I'm sure there are others, that's off the top of my head.
* within first 4 months of pregnancy
** except in matters of multiple homicide of an especially brutal nature and where there is no doubt.
*** make it simple with same-day visa processing, with screening for felons and illicit materials. Provide amnesty for existing aliens who volunteer for visa processing. Toughen security and penalties for illegals and those who refuse screening.

None of which are "far left" views. Most are libertarian views as well, which I believe you are more in line with than say the Democratic Party.

Just because they are not "far right" views, doesn't mean they are "far left".

Your kind of thinking is the reason why Republican party has gotten rid of most of the moderates, because these views are now considered "far left" views to the Republican Party.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by OAW 

To be fair .... and let's be clear I'm not trying to speak for Shaddim ... but my impression from his posting history is that he's a "left leaning libertarian" from an ideological standpoint. Which doesn't neatly fit into standard Democratic party positions on all issues. Or am I missing something?
OAW

I've been trying for a month to hint to him he doesn't belong to the Democratic Party, even though he thinks so.

His views are more in line with the Libertarian Party.

[OAW]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

I've been trying for a month to hint to him he doesn't belong to the Democratic Party, even though he thinks so.
His views are more in line with the Libertarian Party.

That's your viewpoint and that's cool. But at the end of the day people "self-identify" as they please. If Shaddim wants to self-identity as a "Democrat" then that's his prerogative. Especially when many Dems vote one way at the local and state level and differently at the national level. We wouldn't have the term "Reagan Democrat" in the political lexicon if that were not the case. Just like I self-identify as "African-American" ... and whoa be it to the fool that tries to argue me down that someone like Charlize Theron fits that description more than my people. "Technicalities" aside. My point here is that I think whatever Shaddim chooses to align himself with politically ... he's by no means an Obama fan. He also doesn't appear to be a Romney fan either. Much like Subego if I follow him correctly. So we all need to recognize the fact that everybody doesn't neatly fit into the Dem or GOP camp. Which really shouldn't be an even REMOTELY controversial statement to make. Again ... unless I'm missing something?

OAW

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

None of which are "far left" views.

None? Damn, you're dense. Why do I even bother talking to you? My 7 month old daughter has sharper reasoning skills.

Originally Posted by OAW 

To be fair .... and let's be clear I'm not trying to speak for Shaddim ... but my impression from his posting history is that he's a "left leaning libertarian" from an ideological standpoint. Which doesn't neatly fit into standard Democratic party positions on all issues. Or am I missing something?
OAW

See? You understand this perfectly. Blue-dog Dem, Goldwater Repub, modern Whig, take your pick. I identify as a Democrat because my ideological views are similar to the Dems in my area. Just because I don't fit with the ones in Boston or LA isn't my concern.

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

I've been trying for a month to hint to him he doesn't belong to the Democratic Party, even though he thinks so.
His views are more in line with the Libertarian Party.

Maybe when more than 3 of them can agree on anything, I'll think about it. Oh, and I'll belong to whatever ****ing party I want, and you can go have a fit in the corner. Chew on your socks or whatever it is you do to help you cope.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

None? Damn, you're dense. Why do I even bother talking to you? My 7 month old daughter has sharper reasoning skills.

Nope. You are just a confused idiot.

Now you are claiming to be a Democrat with "far left" views. Haha..

Then again, you believe your 7 month old daughter has sharper reasoning skills, so I'm not surprise you think your pro civil union is some "far left" view.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by OAW 

That's your viewpoint and that's cool. But at the end of the day people "self-identify" as they please. If Shaddim wants to self-identity as a "Democrat" then that's his prerogative. Especially when many Dems vote one way at the local and state level and differently at the national level. We wouldn't have the term "Reagan Democrat" in the political lexicon if that were not the case. Just like I self-identify as "African-American" ... and whoa be it to the fool that tries to argue me down that someone like Charlize Theron fits that description more than my people. "Technicalities" aside. My point here is that I think whatever Shaddim chooses to align himself with politically ... he's by no means an Obama fan. He also doesn't appear to be a Romney fan either. Much like Subego if I follow him correctly. So we all need to recognize the fact that everybody doesn't neatly fit into the Dem or GOP camp. Which really shouldn't be an even REMOTELY controversial statement to make. Again ... unless I'm missing something?
OAW

I call myself a Christian who doesn't believe in God.

No one seems to allow me to "self-identify" as a Christian Atheist.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Maybe when more than 3 of them can agree on anything, I'll think about it. Oh, and I'll belong to whatever ****ing party I want, and you can go have a fit in the corner. Chew on your socks or whatever it is you do to help you cope.

You are free to call yourself whatever you want.

I am free to disagree. Doesn't make me dense.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by OAW 

So we all need to recognize the fact that everybody doesn't neatly fit into the Dem or GOP camp. Which really shouldn't be an even REMOTELY controversial statement to make. Again ... unless I'm missing something?
OAW

Have you read many of Shaddim's posts?

Shaddim tends to defends conservatives, Republicans, and religious people.

He tends to attack liberals, "The Left", and Democrats.

If anyone attacks Republicans, Shaddim defends them by attacking Democrats.
If anyone attacks conservatives, Shaddim defends them by attacking Liberals.
You don't ever see it the other way around where he defends Democrats, The Left, or Liberals.

When conservatives here attack Democrats and Liberals, Shaddim just backs them up.

He calls "The Left" idiots, liberals filth, and blame Democrats for most of our problems.

Yet, he calls himself a Democrat with 'far left' views.

Is it wrong for me to says he is not a Democrat?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Nope. You are just a confused idiot.
Now you are claiming to be a Democrat with "far left" views. Haha..
Then again, you believe your 7 month old daughter has sharper reasoning skills, so I'm not surprise you think your pro civil union is some "far left" view.

You shouldn't be so quick to judge, Emma's bright. She already has a 7 word vocabulary (more or less) and is known to play a challenging game of peek-a-boo, and patty-cake isn't far behind. Her mother and I have tested IQs in the 150s (me 151, her 153). So odds are, genetically, my baby would whip your ass.

On a more serious note, in social matters I do have "far Left" views, especially for an American. There are only a few states where gays can marry, and none where plural unions are accepted, so it's hardly what anyone could call a mainstream American tradition. Like OAW and I have been saying, the Democrats in the southeastern US are different than those in the NE and SW, or even the MW, and individual Democrats can have different views all on their own. That's why they're called individual views. If that bothers you, then, I guess you need to work on your liberal tolerance.

FYI, I'm sure it's a stretch for you to grasp, but there are Christian Atheists, a half-dozen or so even attend our church. Though, they are a good deal more reasonable than you, I'll admit. They believe in the philosophy of Jesus' teachings, but not his divinity. You probably haven't heard of it, but they read the Jefferson Bible. It was composed by Thomas Jefferson and it leaves out the supernatural elements and sticks with the humanitarian philosophy behind the Gospels.

Does any of that help you?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

You are free to call yourself whatever you want.
I am free to disagree. Doesn't make me dense.

What makes you dense is you fail to understand that not all Democrats think alike.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

You shouldn't be so quick to judge, Emma's bright. She already has a 7 word vocabulary (more or less) and is known to play a challenging game of peek-a-boo, and patty-cake isn't far behind. Her mother and I have tested IQs in the 150s (me 151, her 153). So odds are, genetically, my baby would whip your ass.

Online IQ test don't count Shaddim.

I went to Highly Gifted magnet schools. What do you think my IQ is?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

What makes you dense is you fail to understand that not all Democrats think alike.

Of course. The Democratic Party is a more inclusive party.

You call yourself a Democrat, but I disagree. I never seen a Democrat as hateful towards Democrats, liberals, and The Left like you.

McCain calls himself a Republican. You disagree.
Arnold Schwarzenegger calls himself a Republican. You disagree.

Does that make you dense?

However, what makes you crazy is that you call every Republican government representative in CA, a Democrat. Now that's nuts.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

On a more serious note, in social matters I do have "far Left" views, especially for an American. There are only a few states where gays can marry, and none where plural unions are accepted

What makes you think a plural union is a "far left" view? Seems most who support plural unions are religious folks or libertarian folks. You know, guys like Mitt Romney's grandfather and Ron Paul.

How many on "The Left" or Democrats support plural unions and actively pushing it?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Have you read many of Shaddim's posts?
Shaddim tends to defends conservatives, Republicans, and religious people.
He tends to attack liberals, "The Left", and Democrats.
If anyone attacks Republicans, Shaddim defends them by attacking Democrats.
If anyone attacks conservatives, Shaddim defends them by attacking Liberals.
You don't ever see it the other way around where he defends Democrats, The Left, or Liberals.
When conservatives here attack Democrats and Liberals, Shaddim just backs them up.
He calls "The Left" idiots, liberals filth, and blame Democrats for most of our problems.
Yet, he calls himself a Democrat with 'far left' views.
Is it wrong for me to says he is not a Democrat?

What does being religious have to do with conservatism? Anyway, sifting through all that hyperbole, one thing is evident, your reading comprehension skills aren't the greatest. That's problematic when you're trying to communicate on an online forum. Which leads you to snap first and comprehend later, but by then you're already 20' down the rabbit hole and refuse to backup, so you either barrel forward or drop out of the thread all-together.

Somewhere along the way, you've failed to comprehend that there are two basic realms of public policy; economic issues and social issues. In matters of finance, I'm to the Right. Fiscal conservatism makes sense to me and I've done pretty well with it so far. In my state, almost everyone running for office is fiscally conservative. So I usually vote Democrat, since social conservatism bothers me almost as much as democratic socialism. Just because Democrats in other areas are different, doesn't mean Tennessee Democrats are wrong.

Around here, we seldom get into it over social matters, usually it's economics, and those are the ones that I've historically been involved with the most. So, it stands to reason that this forum has seen that half of my views more often. When the 2nd Amendment discussion was going on, OAW and I were standing shoulder to shoulder, because our views are similar there. Because he believes in the right to bear arms does that mean he's not a Democrat? What about OldManMac? When we talked about same-sex marriage, I was on the pro side. Same for drugs. Those aren't hot-button issues here, though.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Like OAW and I have been saying, the Democrats in the southeastern US are different than those in the NE and SW, or even the MW, and individual Democrats can have different views all on their own. That's why they're called individual views. If that bothers you, then, I guess you need to work on your liberal tolerance.

Different views don't bother me.

You and your constant nonsense bothers me.
Your constant need brag about yourself while insulting others bothers me.

How many times do we need to hear you brag about yourself, your nice car, the amount of money you have, how gay men are attracted to you, your IQ, your education, the amount you donate to charities, and so on?

You got self esteem issues maybe?


A perfect example of your nonsense? Here:

http://forums.macnn.com/0/forum/385423/ooops-californians-wont-be-getting-their-tax-rebates

Everything is the Democrats, the liberals, and the left-wings fault in CA. Right Shaddim?
"The Repubs in Cali are just Democrats in better suits, a prime example is the sitting Governator." RIght Shaddim?
"Fiscal stupidity, the trademark of their slice of the Democratic party, has led them into this. To say otherwise is what is idiotic." Right Shaddim?

Anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Right Shaddim?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

What does being religious have to do with conservatism?

What does being pro-plural union have anything to do with "far left"?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Of course. The Democratic Party is a more inclusive party.
You call yourself a Democrat, but I disagree. I never seen a Democrat as hateful towards Democrats, liberals, and The Left like you.
McCain calls himself a Republican. You disagree.
Arnold Schwarzenegger calls himself a Republican. You disagree.
Does that make you dense?
However, what makes you crazy is that you call every Republican government representative in CA, a Democrat. Now that's nuts.

Republicans in California would probably be liberal Democrats here, same goes for McCain.

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Online IQ test don't count Shaddim.
I went to Highly Gifted magnet schools. What do you think my IQ is?

We took the Stanford-Binet last year for that Triple Nine society nonsense. What's your IQ? Do you really want me to answer that, based on the way you behave and communicate around here?

What makes you think a plural union is a "far left" view? Seems most who support plural unions are religious folks or libertarian folks. You know, guys like Mitt Romney's grandfather and Ron Paul.

How many on "The Left" or Democrats support plural unions and actively pushing it?

Again, you aren't understanding the context. With regards to some Mormon groups and their concept of plural marriage, the man is married to each woman, but the women are not married to each other. Even to the point where each woman has a separate bedroom and the guy makes his rounds. There is no same-sex contact going on. Also, you're forgetting there's no 2 men, 1 woman marriages in that system either. It's very structured with specific rules. It's not a true plural marriage.

On the other side of the coin there's actual communal marriage, like in this home. We're all married to each other and made vows. It was a big ceremony with all of us involved. Physically, often it's one of them and me, or them together, and sometimes it's all of us. Some friends of ours are in a 2 man, 1 woman marriage where they live like we do.

Surely you can see the big differences between the two?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Different views don't bother me.
You and your constant nonsense bothers me.
Your constant need brag about yourself while insulting others bothers me.
How many times do we need to hear you brag about yourself, your nice car, the amount of money you have, how gay men are attracted to you, your IQ, your education, the amount you donate to charities, and so on?
You got self esteem issues maybe?
A perfect example of your nonsense? Here:
http://forums.macnn.com/0/forum/385423/ooops-californians-wont-be-getting-their-tax-rebates
Everything is the Democrats, the liberals, and the left-wings fault in CA. Right Shaddim?
"The Repubs in Cali are just Democrats in better suits, a prime example is the sitting Governator." RIght Shaddim?
"Fiscal stupidity, the trademark of their slice of the Democratic party, has led them into this. To say otherwise is what is idiotic." Right Shaddim?
Anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Right Shaddim?

Again, you're looking at economic issues. As I said in that post, "their slice" of the Democratic party. In this area, we have fiscal conservatism in both parties, quite frankly our Democrats are more conservative than those Republican politicians in California. Fiscal liberalism is ridiculous, I've ridiculed it in the past and I'll do it again, but if there's a good social discussion going on, I'll wade in on the other side. There just aren't as many of those and they don't get nearly as heated.

You don't have any room to talk when it comes to insults and abuse. You, screener, and mckenna are the worst offenders in the PL lot. You probably don't realize it, but I've actually been on the same side as you in discussions and you were still raving at me and going psycho. I've tried to be nice to you in the past, just have a calm conversation, but you just kept on pushing and continued with the angry, aggressive behavior. I really do think you're unbalanced most of the time, and your politics has made you unhinged. It would help you a lot if you'd relax and try to calm down, maybe get some therapy, it's bad for your health to be that wound up all the time.

I talk about my life, what's going on, what I'm doing. Around here it's a cool event when someone gets a new phone or computer, they want to talk about it, and I'll talk about it with them. However, I mention a car, a good business deal, charity work, etc. and it's seen as bragging. I've been here almost 10 years and I started with very little, comparatively. Over time I've gained family, finances, and interests. I'm supposed to just clam up because I'm not in the same position I was back then? My experiences are different so I should be quiet? Frankly, that's f*cked up. Here's a little insight. Most of the time, the "1%" aren't being snooty or obnoxious when they avoid the "99%", they do it because most other people become jealous assholes.

And I really have no idea what you're talking about with the "gay men are attracted to me" stuff.

[Dork.]

[Shaddim]

This has been a long time coming.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

And I really have no idea what you're talking about with the "gay men are attracted to me" stuff.

I'm thinking back when he was using kobi, he may have been attracted to you and is projecting on all those other gays. Just a guess of course, but I usually find the left around here have a real issue with projecting their own personal hangups onto others be it racism or all of their other phobias. Just an observation.

Spoke with another card-carrying Democrat at a bonfire our band was playing at last Saturday, who couldn't believe I was voting for Romney. He went on and on and on and then -- about 20 minutes later I come to find out he has rental property. I told him I've long-thought about engaging rental property at which time he tells me it's hard to find good renters and then comes the whopper. He can't bring himself to rent to a black person. I asked him if he ever at least interviewed them to separate a good potential renter from bad, and he simply said "no, I just won't". Anecdotal generalization I grant you, but the personal evidence I've accrued over the years from him and so many others has convinced me that the most ardent, card-carrying Democrats are among the most racist of people you'd ever meet. I tried to ignore it, I really did, but I just can't any longer. And I won't stand for it. It puts the reason they're so bent on pointing fingers at Republicans into a great deal of perspective for me. I remind them of their party's history early and often and I remind them of their fiscal follies that have impacted the minority communities the most. I'm going to keep doing it until I can speak and type no more.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

[The Final Dakar]

WTF?

[ebuddy]

You two should be confused, it was directed at a poster I thought certain would come out of hiding to respond. That way, after he takes the time to address me, I could bring up how racist Al Gore Sr. was.

i.e. nevermind.

[The Final Dakar]

My WTF wasn't directed at you, but what this thread had become.

I wonder what became of Shaddim's PL ban.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

My WTF wasn't directed at you, but what this thread had become.
I wonder what became of Shaddim's PL ban.

That's right, I forgot about Shaddim's self-ban. I'm glad he's back, but... I didn't have time to miss him.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

My WTF wasn't directed at you, but what this thread had become.
I wonder what became of Shaddim's PL ban.

I kept waiting for them to do it but it never happened.

Anyway, for some reason he couldn't comprehend the existence of Blue-dog Dems.

[subego]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

My WTF wasn't directed at you, but what this thread had become.

If you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares into you.

Kinda like Cleveland.

[osiris]

So yeah, those debates.

Heated stuff the other night, thought Obama was gonna pull a switch blade and Romney was going to bop the prez with a bat or something. Good times.

Hope everyone has been well, except Romney supporters.



Okay, you guys too.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by subego 

If you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares into you.
Kinda like Cleveland.

The first thing that came to my mind was CMT (Country Music TV).

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

lpk's post didn't warrant the moron reply. Let's watch out for Rule 3.

Meh, this place is so dead, you can't even get infractions no more

-t

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Meh, this place is so dead, you can't even get infractions no more
-t

Can I have your MacNN password?

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Can I have your MacNN password?

Sure, it's "12345". I wonder how many losers are going to actually try that?

[besson3c]

Dork., could you please double check your password? It isn't working for me, are you sure you typed it correctly?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Dork., could you please double check your password? It isn't working for me, are you sure you typed it correctly?

The password is correct. You FAIL.

-t

[The Final Dakar]

So Romney got the opening and closing statement for tonight's debate. I have a feeling the latter will be so filled with either transparent lies or flip-flops (to be clarified by the campaign the next day) that I will likely get an aneurysm. If that's the case, it was nice knowing you guys, but not really.

[OAW]

I have to decide what's most important to me. The Presidential Debates. Or Game 7 of the NCLS with my Cards vs Giants. One of them will get relegated to the DVR. Just haven't decided which.

OAW

PS: Ok I admit it. I'm a political junkie. I'll probably just follow the game on the internet.

[The Final Dakar]

I figured this debate would be a non-starter, but after Obama dropped the ball on the first I feel compelled to tune in. I may have to set up the laptop on the couch so I can play Borderlands while its on.

[subego]

On one hand, I'm already burnt. On the other, I tend to be a foreign policy wonk more than anything.

[BadKosh]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

So Romney got the opening and closing statement for tonight's debate. I have a feeling the latter will be so filled with either transparent lies or flip-flops (to be clarified by the campaign the next day) that I will likely get an aneurysm. If that's the case, it was nice knowing you guys, but not really.

Make sure you make a list of all the lies and flip flops. The list should be interesting. Seems you've already made up your mind so why waste the time on the debate?

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

Seems you've already made up your mind so why waste the time on the debate?

Hey look, strawman.

[OAW]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

Make sure you make a list of all the lies and flip flops. The list should be interesting. Seems you've already made up your mind so why waste the time on the debate?

Seriously dude? If you can't acknowledge by now that Romney is a flip-flopper extraordinaire then clearly your distaste for Obama has impaired your ability to see what's right in front of you.

OAW

[Shaddim]

I'm sick of looking at both of them. I'll take Emma to see Frankenweenie instead, likely we'll both get more out of that.

[OAW]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I'm sick of looking at both of them. I'll take Emma to see Frankenweenie instead, likely we'll both get more out of that.

I certainly can't say that you are making the wrong decision my man.

OAW

[OAW]

Maybe it's just me. But if you are going to come on national TV and essentially advocate the exact same foreign policies as the incumbent ... we should vote the incumbent out why? I'm just sayin' ....

OAW