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Well, it's not like they spent the first day of the convention debating something trivial like the best cheesesteaks. The economy is on people's minds as well, new jobs, paying for education, infrastructure.
I caught some of Bernie's speech, and he did a good job selling his crowd on the influence they've had on Clinton, and the issues she has come around on, balancing them with respect, shoutouts to their efforts. I don't understand why Clinton did not beg him on bended knee to be the VP, unless Bernie turned her down.
Read Warren's speech, it's familiar but welcome.
People are really saying that Michelle knocked it out of the park, I will have to watch that one in full when I have time.
Maddow began by giving the end of the speech an A+, but then said, “I think the beginning of the speech was a controversial way to start, honestly, talking about the girl, a girl, leading with this long story about him being attracted to an unnamed girl and thinking about whether he was starting something he couldn’t finish, building her whole political story, for the whole first half of the speech around her marriage to him. I think, unless there were worries that this is going to be too feminist a convention, that was not a feminist way to start. But the end of the speech was really good. I’ve got to say, the top of the speech I found shocking and rude.”
The Trump's rebuttal to tonights DNC is ****ing hilarious. I understand pre-writing releases but it's so off base to what I saw it's a 9 on the unintentional comedy scale.
"What you saw"? Well, that's because what you saw was the networks trying desperately not to show division.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
I like how Trump had a press release yesterday morning, because god help if he goes 2 days without being in the media, and side benefit, try to disrupt the DNC. Asking Russia to hack us... that's wise, sure...
Folks are saying bloomberg and biden delivered good speeches last night. Also I saw a clip of someone teaching the ASL for America to the crowd, fingers interlaced, circular motion, conveys unity. Unity would be nice.
It is what-shall-not-be-named by the press, but the rest of us called it a walkout. Honestly, half the convention cleared and the media barely said a damned thing. It's hilarious.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
What they did was place the delegates from the states Clinton won on the bottom level, and Bernie's on the upper, then shot everything from above (to hide all the empty seats, unflattering banners, and general outrage from half the attendees).
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Day 583. Hillary speech still going. Wilson is dead, last night he deflated himself with a sea urchin.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Why does Hillary continue to be such a godawful public speaker? There are classes and shit for this you know. Can't she ask Bill or Barry or something?
One of the reasons she gets called a liar is there's no connection between her vocal dynamics and what she says.
A bad actress reads a script. A good one lives it.
Observers of Hillary Clinton over the past six months or so will have noticed an incessant coughing and clearing of her throat that has plagued the former first lady across that time frame.
During her headline speech on Thursday at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, Clinton noticeably cleared her throat twenty-two times. In and of itself, it could be written off as temporarily being under the weather. Given its persistence, however, questions arise about the Democrats' presidential nominee. She seemed to have deliberately timed her throat clearing during manufactured applause directed by her audience managers.
Jesus, give it a rest. Her voice isn't made for public speaking. If this is a deal breaker for you, fine. If it's not, get over it.
The second post wasn't a slam on her oratory, though I see how it could be construed that way.
My point was Obama was a historic nomination, and likely wouldn't have happened if he lacked any number of qualities, chief among them being one of the best living orators.
Hillary got nominated despite lacking all manner of qualities. While I would describe her oratory as lousy, my allegation she's lousy is based on a less superficial analysis.
In an honest match, Liz Warren would send Clinton home crippled. That's what I mean by "she's lousy".
My proposition is if this was as historic as claimed, it wouldn't have happened without someone of Liz Warren caliber. That someone much lesser can take the nomination, argues the political glass ceiling, for all intents and purposes, had already been broken.
I think you can give Hillary credit for doing some of the breaking as SoS... but then that's the historic part.
Jesus, give it a rest. Her voice isn't made for public speaking. If this is a deal breaker for you, fine. If it's not, get over it.
"This is my candidate, stop being mean." He's trying to explain why she's not coming across to voters, why she's tanking. Good grief.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
You can be a really lousy woman and get nominated. This is in contrast to the black guy, who needed to be the best orator on the planet.
Yeah, she's an absolute POS, but she reached where she is on her husband's name, not her own merits (her own attempts at leadership in gov't led to disaster).
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
The second post wasn't a slam on her oratory, though I see how it could be construed that way.
My point was Obama was a historic nomination, and likely wouldn't have happened if he lacked any number of qualities, chief among them being one of the best living orators.
Hillary got nominated despite lacking all manner of qualities. While I would describe her oratory as lousy, my allegation she's lousy is based on a less superficial analysis.
In an honest match, Liz Warren would send Clinton home crippled. That's what I mean by "she's lousy".
My proposition is if this was as historic as claimed, it wouldn't have happened without someone of Liz Warren caliber. That someone much lesser can take the nomination, argues the political glass ceiling, for all intents and purposes, had already been broken.
I think you can give Hillary credit for doing some of the breaking as SoS... but then that's the historic part.
Well there are a couple of ways to look at this. One is that it's easier for a black man than white woman to get credibility. Another is it's easier for a younger person than an older person to get credibility (Bernie Sanders says nice try). Another might be that charisma plays a strong factor here.
So let's say a young charismatic orator is the most likely to get nominated. We're kinda lacking there in both parties (watch out for Nikki Haley, I think).
i think there's a certain irony here; Seeing as Clinton is considered such a weak candidate that makes her rise to the nomination more impressive, not less.
Well there are a couple of ways to look at this. One is that it's easier for a black man than white woman to get credibility. Another is it's easier for a younger person than an older person to get credibility (Bernie Sanders says nice try). Another might be that charisma plays a strong factor here.
So let's say a young charismatic orator is the most likely to get nominated. We're kinda lacking there in both parties (watch out for Nikki Haley, I think).
i think there's a certain irony here; Seeing as Clinton is considered such a weak candidate that makes her rise to the nomination more impressive, not less.
Impressive for her. One would hope a single individual succeeding despite their faults doesn't rate as historic.
Impressive for her. One would hope a single individual succeeding despite their faults doesn't rate as historic.
I'm not sure I understand how you're using historic here. The gender part is historic and blind to the who. The personal part is what seems to have defied your expectations.
Is it not possible for someone to have an untrainable voice? I find it harder to believe someone trying to ascend to the presidency just went, "Nah, we'll skip the voice lessons." Doubly so given her husband. It's not like she hasn't heard the complaint before, either.
I'm not sure I understand how you're using historic here. The gender part is historic and blind to the who. The personal part is what seems to have defied your expectations.
Historicism of this type is generally coupled with a barrier which has been torn down. I'm questioning the height of the barrier in this instance.
I'm not even trying to begrudge Hillary's work in tearing down the barrier, but I'd argue most of that was in the past, and not torn down through the events of this campaign.
Historicism of this type is generally coupled with a barrier which has been torn down. I'm questioning the height of the barrier in this instance.
I'm not even trying to begrudge Hillary's work in tearing down the barrier, but I'd argue most of that was in the past, and not torn down through the events of this campaign.
Well that's a hell of a subjective to try and argue. I agree the barrier has changed heights, but doesn't 2008 set the stage for 2012? I mean Obama or Hillary's nomination could have been even more historic if they had been in the GOP, right? Or if it had happened 20 years ago? I think that's why a lot women point to their predecessors for making things possible even when they exceed them. Without Sandra Day there is no RGB, etc.
The economy is on people's minds as well, new jobs, paying for education, infrastructure. 
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