[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Send 'em all to Canada!

Are you looking for trouble?

Did you not know already that your customs let anyone go through without checking?

[Spliffdaddy]

*checks for riots in the streets*

apparently there isn't a problem.

besides...we have Dubya.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

Are you looking for trouble?

Did you not know already that your customs let anyone go through without checking?

Another myth, and totally untrue. Some people slip in, just like some people slip in through the US border.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by villalobos

I think the media in the US overplay the religious card. Again, most of the rioters are kids without any real political or religious agenda : 'just a game'. That is not the feeling I got while reading the US media (i don't watch TV).

Yeah, that whole 'yelling 'Allahu Akhbar'' thing has nothing to do with religion atall. Tut tut on anyone for making that connection.

http://www.netwerk.tv/templates/videoasx.jsp?f=198614 -- about 8:37 in, hear the shouts for yourselves.

As for this fatwa,

“It is formally forbidden to any Muslim seeking divine grace and satisfaction to participate in any action that blindly hits private or public property or could constitute an attack on someone’s life.”

It is vague- it doesn't define 'innocent' and it only condemns attacks made blindly- but these rioters aren't attacking blindly, they're avoiding Muslim businesses and anything they can divine as a Muslim-owned car, and are attacking synagogues. So targeted attacks must be okay.

Worth remembering is that the Union for Islamic Organizations in France that made that fatwa has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood, of course, is the first modern Islamic jihad organization and the direct forefather of Hamas and Al-Qaeda. So perhaps the vagueness of the fatwa is intentional.

Day 13 of the France Intifada proceeds.

[segovius]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Yeah, that whole 'yelling 'Allahu Akhbar'' thing has nothing to do with religion atall. Tut tut on anyone for making that connection.

http://www.netwerk.tv/templates/videoasx.jsp?f=198614 -- about 8:37 in, hear the shouts for yourselves.

As for this fatwa,

“It is formally forbidden to any Muslim seeking divine grace and satisfaction to participate in any action that blindly hits private or public property or could constitute an attack on someone’s life.”

It is vague- it doesn't define 'innocent' and it only condemns attacks made blindly- but these rioters aren't attacking blindly, they're avoiding Muslim businesses and anything they can divine as a Muslim-owned car, and are attacking synagogues. So targeted attacks must be okay.

Worth remembering is that the Union for Islamic Organizations in France that made that fatwa has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood, of course, is the first modern Islamic jihad organization and the direct forefather of Hamas and Al-Qaeda. So perhaps the vagueness of the fatwa is intentional.

Day 13 of the France Intifada proceeds.

Is that the same Hamas that was a creation of Israeli intel or a different one?

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by segovius

Is that the same Hamas that was a creation of Israeli intel or a different one?

Hold on to those sweet myths of yours, they're the only thing supporting your house of cards.

[segovius]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Hold on to those sweet myths of yours, they're the only thing supporting your house of cards.

Ah, same one then. Figures.

[Taliesin]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Yeah, that whole 'yelling 'Allahu Akhbar'' thing has nothing to do with religion atall. Tut tut on anyone for making that connection.

http://www.netwerk.tv/templates/videoasx.jsp?f=198614 -- about 8:37 in, hear the shouts for yourselves.

As for this fatwa,

“It is formally forbidden to any Muslim seeking divine grace and satisfaction to participate in any action that blindly hits private or public property or could constitute an attack on someone’s life.”

It is vague- it doesn't define 'innocent' and it only condemns attacks made blindly- but these rioters aren't attacking blindly, they're avoiding Muslim businesses and anything they can divine as a Muslim-owned car, and are attacking synagogues. So targeted attacks must be okay.

Worth remembering is that the Union for Islamic Organizations in France that made that fatwa has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood, of course, is the first modern Islamic jihad organization and the direct forefather of Hamas and Al-Qaeda. So perhaps the vagueness of the fatwa is intentional.

Day 13 of the France Intifada proceeds.

There is no religious motive in the riots, none at all, cause if it was the religion card, they would not riot and leave everything as it is as they already lived in independent sectors of society among co-religionists. The riots though have clearly the goal to call for more integration into the french society and are a call for better education, and more opportunities to gain a job-position...
Besides it's not only muslims that are rioting but also non-muslim blacks and other groups of discriminated people.

If these rioters yell "God is greater" then either in the sense of "Hurray" or with the idea of trying to get religious sympathy from the non-rioting part of the suburbs, which they aren't getting because they are destroying mostly the property and infrastructure of their own people.
A religious fetwa against riots might though bring parts of the rioters to their senses, but major parts will probably continue nonetheless until Sarkozy either resigns or at least publicly apologises for calling the youth of suburbs "scum that needs to be washed away".

I think the best solution would be to dissolve the ghettos and to spread and relocate the descendants of the immigrants among the white-french population (with subventions to make financially possible) and to introduce affirmative-action-quotas in parliament, bureucracy, schools/universities and espescially in companies on every level, as a transitional process to overcome the endemic racism.

Taliesin

[analogika]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Day 13 of the France Intifada proceeds.

Oh bullsh¡t.

[yakkiebah]

Originally Posted by Taliesin

... but major parts will probably continue nonetheless until Sarkozy either resigns or at least publicly apologises for calling the youth of suburbs "scum that needs to be washed away".

The scum Sarkozy is referring to are the criminals in those neighbourhoods, not the youth in general! Nice misinterpetation. Intentionally?

[Taliesin]

Originally Posted by yakkiebah

The scum Sarkozy is referring to are the criminals in those neighbourhoods, not the youth in general! Nice misinterpetation. Intentionally?

Yes, intentionally, cause that's how it was understood in the french suburbs. Besides, even if Sarkozy clearly targeted the rioters with the remark, which he did, it doesn't excuse his choosing of words. You simply can't call rioters publicly scum, as a elected minister, cause even rioters are humans, even criminals are humans.
I think Sarkozy is playing political games, he wants to introduce affirmative action-programms for the descendants of immigrants, but at the some time has to play the hard-cop in order to keep the far-right in his boat, and by this if succesful position himself as the number-one-candidate to become the next french president.

His biggest rival is Villepin, so that both of these will try to gain as much political advantage out of this crisis as possible.

Taliesin

[Sky Captain]

11/8/2005
President Bush has authorized the Joint Chiefs to begin drawing up a
battle plan to pull France's ass out of the fire again. Facing an apparent
overwhelming force of up to 400 pissed off teenagers Mr. Bush doubts
France's ability to hold off the little pissants. "Hell, if the last two
World Wars are any indication, I would expect France to surrender any
day now", said Bush.

Joint Chiefs head, Gen. Peter Pace, warned the President that it might
be necessary to send up to 5 Marines to get things under control. The
General admitted that 5 Marines may be overkill but he wanted to get this
thing under control within 24 hours of arriving on scene. He stated he
was having a hard time finding even one Marine to help those ungrateful
bastards out for a third time but thought that he could persuade a few
Women Marines to do the job before they went on pregnancy leave.

President Bush asked Gen. Pace to get our Marines out of there as soon
as possible after order was restored. He also reminded Gen. Pace to make
sure the Marines did not take soap, razors, or deodorant with them. The
least they stand out the better.

In an unrelated matter, President Bush told reporters that he was
considering a "Flu for Oil" Program to ease our country's energy problem
and prevent the upcoming pandemic. Nobody had a clue as to what the
heck he was talking about.

[yakkiebah]

Originally Posted by Taliesin

Yes, intentionally, cause that's how it was understood in the french suburbs. Besides, even if Sarkozy clearly targeted the rioters with the remark, which he did, it doesn't excuse his choosing of words. You simply can't call rioters publicly scum, as a elected minister, cause even rioters are humans, even criminals are humans.
I think Sarkozy is playing political games, he wants to introduce affirmative action-programms for the descendants of immigrants, but at the some time has to play the hard-cop in order to keep the far-right in his boat, and by this if succesful position himself as the number-one-candidate to become the next french president.

His biggest rival is Villepin, so that both of these will try to gain as much political advantage out of this crisis as possible.

Taliesin

He wasn't referring to the rioters. there were no rioters before he made that remark! He was referring to criminals. Riots followed after his remark and only criminals would respond in such a way. Normal people would hold a peacefull march.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Taliesin

Yes, intentionally, cause that's how it was understood in the french suburbs. Besides, even if Sarkozy clearly targeted the rioters with the remark, which he did, it doesn't excuse his choosing of words. You simply can't call rioters publicly scum

He didn't. He called them "rabble".

[yakkiebah]

Originally Posted by Doofy

He didn't. He called them "rabble".

Yeah and that was during the riots. Tali is mixing up remarks made on different time sets.

[IceBreaker]

Originally Posted by IceBreaker

that will quickly end the riots.....

a free lunch without work in a miserable ghetto in a dingy suburb of Paris is paradise compared to the alternative of where most of the immigrants came from.

Bets on this will end the riots within 48 hours?

Looks like that did the trick, news reports said the violence was down sharply last night.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by IceBreaker

Looks like that did the trick, news reports said the violence was down sharply last night.

The show's not over until the fat lady sings.

[IceBreaker]

Originally Posted by Doofy

The show's not over until the fat lady sings.

she is singing now.... or else she faces deportation.

[Taliesin]

Originally Posted by yakkiebah

He wasn't referring to the rioters. there were no rioters before he made that remark! He was referring to criminals. Riots followed after his remark and only criminals would respond in such a way. Normal people would hold a peacefull march.

Interesting, Sarkozy calls the criminals in the suburbs "scum", and promises to clean the suburbs from it, then two teenagers from these suburbs die while running away from police, then the riots start, and then he calls the rioters "rabble"...

Is that the right cronology?

Taliesin

[OldManMac]

This has nothing to do with them being Muslims, but of course some of you need to believe that, whether it's true or not.

http://www.juancole.com/2005/11/prob...ders-have.html

[Monique]

If they are French why can't they be a part of the French society and do not give the sad story that they are not accepted. Their habits of exploiting women and transforming the society they are moving to into a muslim society are not acceptable. So what the girls won't be wearing a hijab during school time and men won't be able to force female circumcition (female mutilation) on 5 years old girls; that is just too bad.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by KarlG

This has nothing to do with them being Muslims, but of course some of you need to believe that, whether it's true or not.

http://www.juancole.com/2005/11/prob...ders-have.html

That was crap. The guy doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between immigrants who want to integrate into their new societies and immigrants who don't. Typical stupid leftie.

[Monique]

It has nothing to do with being left or right; it has to do with being able to open your eyes and shift the blame where it has to be in this case it has to be on the shoulders of the rioters who never made an effort.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by Doofy

That was crap. The guy doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between immigrants who want to integrate into their new societies and immigrants who don't. Typical stupid leftie.

I wasn't thinking specifically of you when I made the statement about needing to believe, but, if the shoe fits.....................

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by KarlG

I wasn't thinking specifically of you when I made the statement about needing to believe, but, if the shoe fits.....................

There is nothing to believe, so there's no "need". There's only facts. And the fact is that there are a number of immigrants who do not wish to integrate with their host country. It really is that simple.

Only a stupid leftie would choose to gloss over this fact (and blame the whole situation on, say, unemployment) in their ongoing quest to "need to believe" that everything is hunky-dory and everyone can get along in this multi-culti project* which they've been endorsing and building for a while.

The policy of deporting rioting immigrants will be interesting. If the riots subside, it'll prove that they were being caused by immigrants.


(* I fully support the melting pot approach. However, the multi-culti approach where everyone keeps their original culture is a recipe for disaster).

[villalobos]

Originally Posted by Doofy

He didn't. He called them "rabble".

Actually 'racaille' can be scum as well as rabble (they have a pretty similar meaning anywway).

[Monique]

I have nothing against speaking your original language at home or building temples in your neibourghood but you must obey the laws of the country you are moving to, which means no rioting and no hijab at school. Also, I applaude the French for deporting the rioters; since their (the rioters) are so much better they can go back to them in their original countries or in a country near by. The French are not easy to handle when they are mad and now they are.

[OldManMac]

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by IceBreaker

Looks like that did the trick, news reports said the violence was down sharply last night.

Actually, don't be sure you want to trust the news reports: They admit to withholding the news and playing politics rather than reporting facts.

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/sto...639538,00.html

One of France's leading TV news executives has admitted censoring his coverage of the riots in the country for fear of encouraging support for far-right politicians.
Jean-Claude Dassier, the director general of the rolling news service TCI, said the prominence given to the rioters on international news networks had been 'excessive' and could even be fanning the flames of the violence.


Mr Dassier said his own channel, which is owned by the private broadcaster TF1, recently decided not to show footage of burning cars.


'Politics in France is heading to the right and I don't want rightwing politicians back in second, or even first place because we showed burning cars on television,' Mr Dassier told an audience of broadcasters at the News Xchange conference in Amsterdam today.


'Having satellites trained on towns across France 24 hours a day showing the violence would have been wrong and totally disproportionate ... Journalism is not simply a matter of switching on the cameras and letting them roll. You have to think about what you're broadcasting,' he said.

[yakkiebah]

Originally Posted by Taliesin

Interesting, Sarkozy calls the criminals in the suburbs "scum", and promises to clean the suburbs from it, then two teenagers from these suburbs die while running away from police, then the riots start, and then he calls the rioters "rabble"...

Is that the right cronology?

Taliesin

No. The death of the two teenagers has nothing to do with Sarkozy's remark.

He called criminals scum and rioters rabble. But who cares? These rioters are criminals and scum(or rabble). They are responsible for their own actions. Sarkozy's remarks are irrelevant.

[yakkiebah]

Another nice read

Larry Derfner in THE JERUSALEM POST:
There are two kinds of liberalism - one that's reasonable and open-minded, another that's mindless, knee-jerk and politically correct.
The first says society bears a healthy measure of responsibility for those who aren't making it, the second says - automatically, regardless of the particulars - that those who aren't making it bear no responsibility for their predicament whatsoever, and only a heartless society is to blame.

I'm sorry to say that the liberal reaction to the French riots, as seen in the news coverage by the major Western media like The New York Times, Washington Post and CNN - not to mention the leading French media like Le Monde - is of the second type of liberalism, the mindless, knee-jerk, PC kind. I'm afraid this "enlightened" reaction to the French riots is giving enlightenment a bad name.

From following the news, you would think Paris 2005 is like Birmingham, Alabama, 1931 - a racist city of white ignoramuses where nobody of a different color, religion or nationality better show his face.

Remember Paris? One of the most diverse, cosmopolitan cities on earth, whose current mayor is a Tunisian-born homosexual, where blacks, whites, browns and yellows are friends and lovers and have babies together and nobody thinks anything of it? Remember France? One of the most generous welfare states in the world, and the most pro-Arab, pro-African country in the West? Yet, to believe the media, it's all mean old French society's fault that thousands of Arab and African teenagers in Nikes and tracksuits, communicating by cellphone, e-mail and Internet blog, are burning down their heavily rent-subsidized suburbs.

Read the rest here ...

[moki]

I found this to be a pretty remarkable statement... the press in France openly states they did not cover the riots intently because they did not want the "right" to gain favor with the populace. Hello, media bias.

Meanwhile they had no issue at all covering Katrina page after page... slamming the USA, condemning our culture, and printing rumor and innuendo as fact... amazing.

from: http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/sto...639538,00.html

.....

One of France's leading TV news executives has admitted censoring his coverage of the riots in the country for fear of encouraging support for far-right politicians.

"Politics in France is heading to the right and I don't want rightwing politicians back in second, or even first place because we showed burning cars on television," Mr Dassier told an audience of broadcasters at the News Xchange conference in Amsterdam today.

French broadcasters have faced criticism for their lack of coverage of the country's worst civil unrest in decades.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Actually, don't be sure you want to trust the news reports: They admit to withholding the news and playing politics rather than reporting facts.

Woaw! What does that remind me of?

Ah yeah. Conccentration of the Press holdings and major media across the world. What is nice here is that they're honest...

While on the other hand, I know some people who come out of their reserve to plug their usual bias.



But heck, an opinion is an opinion, right? And no one ever said the Press has to be objective anyway; their only claim is to their righ to publish, and propagate information,, so they can sell publicity.

[Spliffdaddy]

Actually, "the press" is assumed to be objective unless they specify otherwise.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by moki

I found this to be a pretty remarkable statement... the press in France openly states they did not cover the riots intently because they did not want the "right" to gain favor with the populace. Hello, media bias.

Meanwhile they had no issue at all covering Katrina page after page... slamming the USA, condemning our culture, and printing rumor and innuendo as fact... amazing.

from: http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/sto...639538,00.html

.....

One of France's leading TV news executives has admitted censoring his coverage of the riots in the country for fear of encouraging support for far-right politicians.

"Politics in France is heading to the right and I don't want rightwing politicians back in second, or even first place because we showed burning cars on television," Mr Dassier told an audience of broadcasters at the News Xchange conference in Amsterdam today.

French broadcasters have faced criticism for their lack of coverage of the country's worst civil unrest in decades.

I am sorry that you were victimized again. Obvioulsly, the US is *again* the scapegoat for all the troubles that seem to involve americans.

So what happened in New Orleans was given too much coverage I supposed... Do you feel shame for what happened there? I mean, of the bashing coming especially from France, what was a lie exactly?

As usual, no response is highly suspicious, as I am certain you know...

[yakkiebah]

"Sarkozy, sale juif!"

Just a link to a Canal+ video of the riots; a subtitle strategically placed sez "Sarkozy, fasciste!" ("Sarkozy, fascist!"), but according to many french forums listeners (including me), the "youths" actually shout "Sarkozy, sale juif" ("Sarkozy, dirty jew!"), this is clearly audible, Sarko effectively being part-jewish.

Did the bobo channel Canal+, and especially the tv show involved which is obsessively left-leaning, voluntarily misled the viewers?

Add this to the "allah u akbar", or the references to Jerusalem or the "mosque" (IE the teargas cannister supposedly shot into it), and you can see theses riots are purely motivated by poverty and discrimination...

Speaking of the Clichy mosque incident, this was apparently a provocation, the so-called "teargas canister" was a spent shell kicked into the mosque from the outside... and the worrying fact is all the mosque pious muslims(tm), including the one who conveniently filmed the scene with his cellphone, the ones who were later interviewed by tv, or even the Mejliss/Oumma (main french muslim forum) mods who suppressed direct testimonies of the incident, were *complicit* in this fraud...

Any french speaking person here who can confirm this?

[IceBreaker]

Originally Posted by IceBreaker

that will quickly end the riots.....

a free lunch without work in a miserable ghetto in a dingy suburb of Paris is paradise compared to the alternative of where most of the immigrants came from.

Bets on this will end the riots within 48 hours?

The wide scale rioting is over...some skirmishes by those who are trying to "reignite" the rioting:


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article326605.ece







I thought I was wrong once.... but it turns out I was mistaken.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by IceBreaker

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article326605.ece

I'm sorry but that's comedy gold...

The multi-racial demonstrators, carrying white handkerchiefs or flags, urged the gangs, who have left a trail of arson and destruction in poor suburbs all over France in the past fortnight, to bring their violence to an end.

[ReggieX]

This is the best troll thread ever.

[Spliffdaddy]

you're welcome

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by yakkiebah

"Sarkozy, sale juif!"



Any french speaking person here who can confirm this?

I did not hear that. Although, I could not hear clearly anything; but only a few voices were saying whatever was said.

However, it is clear that some of these guys are still manifesting about the death of the 2 boys.

NOte also how Sarkozy looks tired, and also... less agitated.

Politicians learn sometimes I guess.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by IceBreaker

The wide scale rioting is over...some skirmishes by those who are trying to "reignite" the rioting:


http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article326605.ece

I thought I was wrong once.... but it turns out I was mistaken.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051111/...e_parents__fr1

According to this AP story, it isn't over yet. Day 16 of the Paris Intifada, so far.

[Spliffdaddy]

Yeah, they only arrested 200 rioters last night. Not counting the arrests in Belgium.

This really is an historic event - a new benchmark by which all future riots will be judged.

[Spliffdaddy]

DAY 17 - No end in sight.

Total damage to France so far: US $235 million

I believe that's a new world record!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by vmarks

According to this AP story, it isn't over yet. Day 16 of the Paris Intifada, so far.

Yay! I got Montpellier.

[Spliffdaddy]

"It's nothing like the immense scope of the Los Angeles riots"

heh. Famous last words.

A quarter of a billion dollars in damage was done to France, and counting. It's like Hurricane Katrina without the hurricane.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Yay! I got Montpellier.

I'm attracted to Poissy.

[mojo2]

http://www.boston.com/news/world/eur...france?mode=PF

"... Mahmoud Khabou, 20, the jobless son of Algerian immigrants, knows little of the world beyond the concrete housing projects that rise in bleak rows barely an hour's subway ride from the Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe, and other grand monuments of Paris.

But he knows who his heroes are. "Osama bin Laden and Rodney King," he said, referring to the Al Qaeda leader and the African-American whose videotaped beating by Los Angeles police in 1991 spawned massive racial riots.

"One because he gives pride back to the Muslims," the young man asserted as he and a trio of friends stood near the charred ruins of a carpet shop. "The other because he was just a poor man, a 'nobody man' of color, but he caused a great city to burn."

MIM: The French government ignores such statements and has starting waving the white flag of surrender by promising to make things better for Muslims who wont be blamed for the violence and devastation.

"...A return to order is the absolute priority. The government has shown this. It will take all the steps necessary to ensure the protection of our citizens and to restore calm ... We see these events as a warning and as an appeal."

"...A government agency for equal opportunity will be created to facilitate the integration of residents of France's suburban ghettoes, the scene of most of the recent violence, Villepin said.

In addition, 5,000 additional teachers are to be hired in 2006 for the 1,200 trade schools in the economically fragile neighbourhoods, and efforts will be made to provide employment counselling to anyone living in these areas who requests it.

Unemployment rates for those under 25 living in France's impoverished public housing estates is over 40 per cent, twice that of the same age group in other neighbourhoods.

In addition, Villepin said the government would allocate an additional 100 million euros (118 million dollars) for NGOs and local associations working to assist the underprivileged in troubled areas.

"The republic has come to an hour of truth," Villepin told deputies. "What is at stake is our model of integration."

The government's action came after rioting raged into Tuesday morning throughout France. .."

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:6...&client=safari

Rodney King or Martin Luther King?

"By virtue of his troubled life and a single decent gesture, he is embedded in the American conscience….Mr. King, 39, has tried to stay out of the public eye, finding it difficult to live with the title of human punching bag. Still, he often finds himself the leading man of the police blotter. He has been arrested 11 times, for, among other things, spousal abuse, hit-and-run driving and being under the influence of PCP. He was also arrested for indecent exposure after parkgoers complained about a naked man jumping up and down on an ice chest….There is a saying that carries through the jail cells of America: Every man has committed a felony. The difference between a good life and a wasted one can be attributed to luck and timing. And so Rodney King does not ask for sympathy, but for understanding. Even good guys make mistakes."
-- Charlie LeDuff in an interview with Rodney King, September 19.

The French value system has always seemed a bit skewed from everyone else's.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

"It's nothing like the immense scope of the Los Angeles riots"

heh. Famous last words.

Yeah. Like, when is that quote from again?

A quarter of a billion dollars in damage was done to France, and counting. It's like Hurricane Katrina without the hurricane.

Yes. A hurricane spawning from poverty and misery accentuated with some racism and mostly bad internal policies.

By the way, an incendiary bomb was launched on a Mosk. Chirac promised justice and presented apologies to the Muslim community.

I guess all is not black and white in the end.

It is interesting to note that the people who felt offended regarding criticism related to Katrina here are those who defended Bush's policies and actions in the wake of the hurricane's passage, against people who complained for the treatment reserved to some parts of the population of New Orleans or policies related to the environment as a cause of that hurricane.

Yet, at the same time, same offended people are not saying anything about the French population under threat, or the poverty and alienation that is a common aspect shared by the rioters, but are very keen on putting them all in the "Islamic Threat" category, for their apparent aggressivity.

And all that is done in this thread so far is to bring the account, with the same morbidity you'd have about the impact of a hurricane.

That is quite a discovery I say. I mean, not surprising at all.

I mean, revenge is sweet on the Internet, and ongoing. We are all the same in the end I guess.

Ah well...

PS: Ah. I forgot. 1 policeman was arrested, 4 under judiciary control, and 8 suspended for violence against one of the rioters. No wonder this thing is not ending.

[swrate]

One of France's leading TV news executives has admitted censoring his coverage of the riots in the country for fear of encouraging support for far-right politicians.
Jean-Claude Dassier, the director general of the rolling news service TCI, said the prominence given to the rioters on international news networks had been 'excessive' and could even be fanning the flames of the violence.


Mr Dassier said his own channel, which is owned by the private broadcaster TF1, recently decided not to show footage of burning cars.


'Politics in France is heading to the right and I don't want rightwing politicians back in second, or even first place because we showed burning cars on television,' Mr Dassier told an audience of broadcasters at the News Xchange conference in Amsterdam today.


'Having satellites trained on towns across France 24 hours a day showing the violence would have been wrong and totally disproportionate ... Journalism is not simply a matter of switching on the cameras and letting them roll. You have to think about what you're broadcasting,' he said.

Originally Posted by vmarks

Actually, don't be sure you want to trust the news reports: They admit to withholding the news and playing politics rather than reporting facts..

Vmarks, king of propaganda, the media.... comme d‘habitude, you are putting paranoia into the context....Censorship? Are you are trying to make us believe the French are unaware of what is happening?

Did you ever connect to the French channels? TF1. France2 France3? TV5?
Obviously not.
The news talked a lot about the riots, giving them a long coverage and showed lots of pics. Maybe Mr Dassier asked his team to not talk about it too much but there is not only TF1!
Note the use of "recently decided", which means they projected pics of burning cars for quite a few days.People who had their cars burnt witness, kids explain their motivations.
After one sees a few cars burn, it is always the same, gangs of 4, 5 hooded kids run to a car or garbage container, pour gasoline over it, and set it on fire, then they send each other pics through their portables.
Lately talk shows are axed around the rioting problem.

In the US, FOX and CNN drown us non-stop with the same focused tragedies they find. It’s a sort of Hollywood sickening presentation of the news: Tsunami tsunami tsutnami After the tsunami London bombings etc… sensationalism
And…..
Allah akhbar?
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A majority of those kids do not talk nor understand Arabic, nor do they read it, so I would say you Vmarks, have more Arabic knowledge then they have. Does that make you a Muslim fundamentalist?

Those kids do not exercise Islam, neither do most of their parents.
Do you know how few mosques there are in the banlieues and cités, for a very high density of population, and that out of the « Arabs » less then 10 % practice their religion? In fact, the cites with mosques Aubervilliers, Marseille have had less difficulty then others, less riotings. The kids know very few Arabic words, though part of their culture, in fact French rap often integrates oriental sounds, with Arabic words, like inch’Allah, kif , toubib, hallal haram… In the US, rap, hip hop started through the black population,(except Eminem most are black) and brought pride, a sense of "existing to a group", in France, rap means the same to « Beurs » " typés " *blacks."



I expect « Immigrants » (as many here call them) really practicing Islam would be stricter on their kids, and would not let them go out. No, the danger, is from exactly the opposite, the cités where there are no mosques, and where groups of elder radical Muslims from all over France can indoctrinate kids into clandestine radical movements, while LePen can indoctrinate white Aryan kids in his Front, and influence Sarcozy Villepin & Co's decisions. (in above statement, Dassier is correct)