[vandelay]

Originally posted by Randman:
Plus, you have rev a, which I've always been a little leery of.

That would be my main concern about G5 PBs and the reason i would agree not to get too excited about them just yet. I'd expect quite a few heat problems in the first generation. Either that, or they'll have to abandon the current slim design and build some kind of Dell XPS monstrosity.

[jamil5454]

There's one more reason I'd a like a G5 PB - mobile 64-bit development, especially when Tiger is released.

I don't care if it's a 400 mhz G5, just give me 64-bit PowerPC.

Oh yeah, and 64-bit processors CAN execute code (in some cases) theoretically twice as fast as a 32-bit processor. This only happens when you use 64-bit precision, though. 64-bit processors can execute 64-bit instructions in one clock cycle while it takes two for a 32-bit processor. But the problem is that there aren't many apps that need to use so much precision.

The long long (64-bit precision) datatype in C consumes only one clock cycle on a 64-bit while it uses two on a 32-bit.


Hopefully I explained this within 90% accuracy but you get the picture.

[teknopimp]

today it was announced that the current powerbooks are EOL:

http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=845

thus, the G5 powerbooks are coming.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by teknopimp:
today it was announced that the current powerbooks are EOL:

http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=845

thus, the G5 powerbooks are coming.

Appleinsider is not saying that. According to your link, they are expecting faster G4 chips and better gpus.

Frankly, I'm psyched for this. I do not consider the Powerbook a production machine, but I need one in order to install FCP (can't install this on my iBook G3 600MHz), which I will use for logging shots during shoots and doing primitive rough-cutting on the road, plus the occasional Keynote presentation.

Just hope that the new Powerbooks are actually available when they're announced.

[Eug Wanker]

Hey, thanks for this thread. I learned something about music. All the more reason to hope for the PowerBook G5.

P.S. I'm not a gamer, but I find it interesting somebody mentioned gaming, cuz clock-for-clock, a G5 is generally much faster than a G4 for gaming. Lots of FP involved, and the G4 sucks at FP.

P.P.S. My main desktop is a G4 1.7 (Cube), in case you're wondering.

[teknopimp]

Originally posted by awcopus:
Just hope that the new Powerbooks are actually available when they're announced.

guaranteed!!!

[Fusion]

Originally posted by Randman:
Sorry, but gotta rant on this one.
I am truly tired of hearing people ask about G5 PowerBooks as if they'll be some Holy Grail and completely revolutionize computing.
I own a PB17, rev c, and I've worked on G5 PowerMacs and G5 iMacs. And while the desktops are more powerful, in the long run, the increase in power won't be life-altering.
If more people just got a little more ram, performances would increase as much if not more than going to a 1.8 G5.

The PB line will go to G5 at some time, but the PM and iMacs line looks as if it'll be ahead of the curve then. Plus, you have rev a, which I've always been a little leery of.

If you have an older system, get an iMac or PM if you truly crave a G5. If you have a rev b or rev c PB, be happy with it until it's time to upgrade.
But jeez, having people create posts every other day asking if PowerBook G5s are coming around the corner is laughable at this point.

Am I alone in this thinking, or is it that I'm just immune to the Reality Distortion Field on this one?

[awcopus]

Originally posted by teknopimp:
guaranteed!!!

LOL!

[nsxpower]

Originally posted by Pierre B.:
Exactly my thoughts for the route the Powerbooks will take this year. The Freescale chips (7448 and 8641D) are the only ones which are suitable for mobile applications and for which we know there is active development. From the IBM side there is no word about mobile chips.

This is one thing.

But I think we should drop the Powerbook G5 idea for another reason too. As you probably know, Intel already showed off its dual-core chip, Yonah, based on the powerful Dothan core. Yonah is developed in 65nm process and will go to full production in 2006. Now, the Dothan version of P-M (available today) is powerful enough to challenge even a G5 in the range 2-2.5 GHz. So, in a year from now, or a little more, we will have dual-core x86 laptops, with the highly efficient but quite powerful Dothan processors. In view of this threat, I don't think it would interesting for Apple to develop a single-core G5 Powerbook. It will be just unable to stand against the forthcoming competition.

So, instead of "for when a Powerbook G5", it makes more sense to ask "what news from Freescale".

Agreed. Although, I don't think and IBM G5 powered PowerBook is totally out of the question, but it will probably be in the form similar to that of a Dell Dimension XPS ... in desktop replacement realm of things. 8641D dual core chips can power "slim" 15.2"/17" PowerBooks. 7448 or 8641 can then be used in iBooks and 12" PowerBooks, respectively.

While Apple desktops are very well served by IBM's G5s and provide very completive processing power, the laptop line is starting to fall behind it's x86 counterparts in terms of processing power.

[teknopimp]

Originally posted by awcopus:
Appleinsider is not saying that. According to your link, they are expecting faster G4 chips and better gpus.

Frankly, I'm psyched for this. I do not consider the Powerbook a production machine, but I need one in order to install FCP (can't install this on my iBook G3 600MHz), which I will use for logging shots during shoots and doing primitive rough-cutting on the road, plus the occasional Keynote presentation.

Just hope that the new Powerbooks are actually available when they're announced.

i interpreted the article to say that the next revision would be the last of the G4 powerbooks. i guess that could be a misinterpretation on my part (wishful thinking maybe!).

as far as new product being available immediately, i doubt it. one, they're always behind demand; two, the rumors are typically ahead so sometimes product announcement and product availability aren't always the same; three, i usually buy CTO so i'm waiting anyway.

[Randman]

Originally posted by teknopimp:
i interpreted the article to say that the next revision would be the last of the G4 powerbooks. i guess that could be a misinterpretation on my part.

Yes. The rumor just says current models are eol. Besides, it would make no sense for Apple to not announce them at WWDC if they were going to have a radical change in form and/or performance.

[brutal]

- go to http://www.apple.com/powerbook/
- do a edit -> view source
- scroll to the very end of the source
- read

[Voch]

Originally posted by brutal:
- go to http://www.apple.com/powerbook/
- do a edit -> view source
- scroll to the very end of the source
- read

Wow. Who hunts for this sort of thing?

I'm applying my tinfoil hat as we speak...

[siflippant]

Originally posted by brutal:
- go to http://www.apple.com/powerbook/
- do a edit -> view source
- scroll to the very end of the source
- read

<!--BEGIN AVENUE A-->

<img height="1" width="1" alt="" src="http://switch.atdmt.com/action/apple_g5_powerbook">
<!--END AVENUE A-->
</body>
</html>

Damn... could this be a teasing leak by Apple?

It's good to dream for a while...

[MORT A POTTY]

well, that's pretty convincing stuff if you ask me.

however, I have more fuel to the fire

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20920

and specifically this part:

But perhaps the most interesting confirmation is that Hypertransport has a design win for the Apple PowerBook. This would appear to be confirmation that a G5 PowerBook is definitely turning up and that despite thermal problems, it is at least in the works. We dug and dug, but couldn't find any other document pertaining to this win on the Wibblesome Wobble, so consider yourselves informed. �

[jamil5454]

Originally posted by brutal:
- go to http://www.apple.com/powerbook/
- do a edit -> view source
- scroll to the very end of the source
- read

This could easily mean something else. Maybe Apple considers its PowerBooks and G5s to be in the same class of computers, and thus named the link apple_g5_powerbook. In other words, it's talking about G5s and PowerBooks separately. If it was hinting at a G5 PowerBook, then the link might contain apple_g5powerbook instead.

But unfortunately I didn't have my tin foil hat on while I thought this up so I could be wrong. I was tying my shoes.

[Pierre B.]

Originally posted by siflippant:
<!--BEGIN AVENUE A-->

<img height="1" width="1" alt="" src="http://switch.atdmt.com/action/apple_g5_powerbook">
<!--END AVENUE A-->
</body>
</html>

Damn... could this be a teasing leak by Apple?

It's good to dream for a while...

OK, type in the location bar of your browser

http://switch.atdmt.com/action/apple_g5_powerbook

Now, type the following:

http://switch.atdmt.com/action/bull$hit

See the difference ?

[MORT A POTTY]

yeah, but Apple put it on their website. there has to be a reason, eve if it is just a web monkey screwing with us.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by MORT A POTTY:
yeah, but Apple put it on their website. there has to be a reason, eve if it is just a web monkey screwing with us.

I love the contrast between the title of the thread and where the conversation has arrived. Reading the meaning in source code for web pages for signs of the coming of the G5. BWWWAAAAHAAHAHAA AHAAHAHAHA LOL

[siflippant]

Originally posted by brutal:
- go to http://www.apple.com/powerbook/
- do a edit -> view source
- scroll to the very end of the source
- read

Regardless of what TheRegister or any other 'news site' has to say about this... you were the 1st to raise the point [here] and highlight it with the MacNN community...

Kudos to you Brutal... and NOT TheRegister...

I hope you're right man!

WOOHOO!

[RonnieoftheRose]

Originally posted by siflippant:
Regardless of what TheRegister or any other 'news site' has to say about this... you were the 1st to raise the point [here] and highlight it with the MacNN community...

Kudos to you Brutal... and NOT TheRegister...

I hope you're right man!

WOOHOO!

Yes, kudos to him. I was the one who notified Smith at The Reg. Smith calls me eagle eyed when it was someone else who did the work.

[macdaemon]

Originally posted by brutal:
- go to http://www.apple.com/powerbook/
- do a edit -> view source
- scroll to the very end of the source
- read

Apple update their web site right now, so probably someone just made a mistake.

[Randman]

Such desperation. Why?

[ricacu]

i agree with randman lol, :roll eyes:

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Randman:
Such desperation. Why?

See page one of this thread.

There ARE valid reasons for really wanting a G5 laptop, even if your personal needs don't happen to benefit from the idea.

[Link]

Originally posted by Randman:
Such desperation. Why?

Your g4 powerbook sucks.

[Randman]

Spheric, your reasons might be valid but that's more the exception than the rule. Link, I'd be happy to put my PB17 up to a performance test.

I'd love to see G5 go portable. I'd love to get a rev b model in about 2 years. But I still say most people go around chanting G5 G5 G5 and looking under rocks (or html codes for clues) without thinking of what the specs would actually be. As I've said, most people would benefit more from more ram than a G5 PowerBook.
And once it does comes out, people are going to be bitching about how under-powered it it.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Randman:
But I still say most people go around chanting G5 G5 G5 and looking under rocks (or html codes for clues) without thinking of what the specs would actually be. As I've said, most people would benefit more from more ram than a G5 PowerBook.

Agreed on all counts.

[RonnieoftheRose]

It's a well known fact that having more memory is more important than a G5 if you want to see your rendering times improve in Photoshop, iDVD, etc

The Sun also revolves around the Earth which is at the center of the universe which was made in six days.

[macdaemon]

Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
It's a well known fact that having more memory is more important than a G5 if you want to see your rendering times improve in Photoshop, iDVD, etc

The Sun also revolves around the Earth which is at the center of the universe which was made in six days.

About a week ago had a test with iMac G5 1.6Ghz and my PowerBook G4 1.25Ghz, tested on rc5-72 project, guess who won?
PowerBook crunch more keys that G5 probably because it's not optimize client for G5, but anyway it's fun.
13.3Mkeys/sec - PowerBook G4 1.25Ghz
12.4Mkeys/sec - iMac G5 1.6Ghz
dnetc v2.9009-494-CTR-04081422 for Mac OS X (Darwin 7.7.0)

[Randman]

Your sig says 2GB for the PB? The iMac?

[Simon]

What ES settings?

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Randman:
As I've said, most people would benefit more from more ram than a G5 PowerBook.

Yeah, but what's wrong with a G5 and lots of RAM?

And once it does comes out, people are going to be bitching about how under-powered it it.

Probably, unless it hits 2 GHz (which I think is unlikely). And they'd be right in some aspects. However, a 1.8 GHz unit would be adequate.

Actually, I'd buy a 12" 1.5 G5 PowerBook. In fact, I'd buy a 1.5 GHz G4 7448 too. I won't buy a 1.5 GHz 7447B though, just because.

[MORT A POTTY]

Freescale uses 7447A though, where is all this talk of 7447B coming from?

[Randman]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
[B]Yeah, but what's wrong with a G5 and lots of RAM?

Nothing's wrong. Just that it's not available yet and won't be for the foreseeable future.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by MORT A POTTY:
Freescale uses 7447A though, where is all this talk of 7447B coming from?

Freescale MC7447A/B

The MC7447A maxes out at 1.5 GHz.
The MC7447B maxes out at 1.67 GHz.

Originally posted by Randman:
Nothing's wrong. Just that it's not available yet and won't be for the foreseeable future.

I foresee a G5 PowerBook in 2005.

[MORT A POTTY]

then how did GIga get 7447A processors at 1.6Ghz?

or are they mistakenly calling it a 7447A when in fact is a 7447B.

[Randman]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
I foresee a G5 PowerBook in 2005.

$5 to you says no PowerBook G5s will be shipped this year.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Randman:
$5 to you says no PowerBook G5s will be shipped this year.

You're on.

Originally posted by MORT A POTTY:
then how did GIga get 7447A processors at 1.6Ghz?

or are they mistakenly calling it a 7447A when in fact is a 7447B.

I dunno, but it seems the 7447B is really just a stepping of the 7447A so it's really more or less the same thing.

[macdaemon]

Originally posted by Randman:
Your sig says 2GB for the PB? The iMac?

2Gb as well, it's not always about RAM Randman, looks like you are freaky about amount of memory, it's not like Photoshop when you mess with a huge file, it's rc5 client that eat just few Mb of RAM.

[macdaemon]

Originally posted by Simon:
What ES settings?

Energy Settings: Highest CPU performance of course on the both computers.
I was really surprised, dnetc client automaticly detected 970fx PPC and choose core KKS 7450. So, Velocity Engine in this CPU in emulation mode is slower that on G4 CPU, so it's a fact.

[Eug Wanker]

RC5-72 is well known to be significantly slower on the G5 as compared to the G4. Then again, it's even slower on a Pentium 4 3.6. And on the Pentium M, it's utterly terrible.

However, as you know, RC5-72 performance means nothing in terms of real-world application performance.

[Randman]

Originally posted by macdaemon:
2Gb as well, it's not always about RAM Randman, looks like you are freaky about amount of memory, it's not like Photoshop when you mess with a huge file, it's rc5 client that eat just few Mb of RAM.

When you're doing a comparison between computers with different specs, it does help knowing the ram.
And you're wrong, it is all about the ram.

OK, Eug, $5 is on. I hope I'm wrong by the end of the year but I don't think so. BTW, I did say shipping by 12-31-05 at the latest to collect. My guess is MacWorld '06. By then, the iMacs will have gone to rev b and the rev d G4 PBs will start looking long in the tooth.

Besides, with the new focus on the Mini, Apple would shoot itself in the foot going to PBG5s and keeping the mini, already underpowered compared to the PB15s and 17s, at G4 with only the eMacs and iBooks to keep it company.

Then we can start the "When will there be a G5 mini?" threads.

[macdaemon]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
RC5-72 is well known to be significantly slower on the G5 as compared to the G4. Then again, it's even slower on a Pentium 4 3.6. And on the Pentium M, it's utterly terrible.

However, as you know, RC5-72 performance means nothing in terms of real-world application performance.

Look, I didn't mention Pentium here at all. Right? Right.
So, let's look on my posts like this: Most of the software is still not optimize for G5, but almost all software is optimize for G4.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Randman:
Besides, with the new focus on the Mini, Apple would shoot itself in the foot going to PBG5s and keeping the mini, already underpowered compared to the PB15s and 17s, at G4 with only the eMacs and iBooks to keep it company

? The mini and the PowerBook are in very different markets. The mini is a $500 machine. And remember, the 2" thick iMac already has the G5.

What you say might make a little bit more sense if the iBook went G5.

[Link]

I have a 'list' of things I'd like to see in a laptop:

1. Radeon 9800 or X800
2. ExpressCard
3. 7200RPM hard drives (again)
4. Faster DVD+/-RW (or at least 8x)
5. Better trackpad (maybe it's me, but all the ones I tried in apple stores and at MWSF had really crappy ones that liked to jump about or 'shake' when moving slowly)
6. 1920x1200 screen in that 17". 1650x1080 on the 15", 1280x1024 on the 12" (I just want to see the 17" get HD :] )
7. Better speakers (if HP could do it.. why not apple?)
8. BETTER LATCH I've heard a lot of complaints about it.

[Mafia]

Originally posted by Link:
I have a 'list' of things I'd like to see in a laptop:

1. X800

i'll take that w/ or w/o a laptop.
i say jan 06 is the soonest you'll hear about g5 powerbooks. luckily i won't upgrade my pb till about christmas 06 so i'll be able to jump on some rev b or c's. but ya we should seriously just get a sticky thread for all the dreamers to play in.

[Link]

Hey, it's a list of cool things to see. I'd happily take anything that had an 8 pipeline GPU and g5 (or G4 with more cache).

I think the biggest update naysayers are afraid their 9 month old laptops will become old and crappy soon.

[Mafia]

maybe but i don't think my 18 month old laptop is old and crappy

[zzarg]

all this talk
all this teasing
the rumours on AppleInsider and ThinkSecret etc
all it does is stop people buying the current models.
I just wish Apple would make an announcement about
(a) a speed bump for the current G4 models
or
(b) a G5 PowerBook available in 1 month

I want to upgrade, but I don't want to plonk down my $ the day before they announce new models