[Eug]

Hmmm... Maybe iMovie '09 will not suck. Looks promising with its new editing features.

(I was one of the very many who stuck with iMovie '06, when iMovie '08 turned out to be the pinnacle of Apple software design sucktitude. Actually, I lie. The Apple Airport Utility is worse.)

[dru]

If you're a world traveler, have kids or something, I guess iLife 09 is cool.

[Eug]

I guess that leaves out my iBook 800. Time to sell it I guess.
Even my 1.6 GHz G4 Cube isn't good enough for the videos, etc. in GarageBand

iLife ’09 System Requirements

* Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
* iMovie requires an Intel-based Mac, Power Mac G5 (dual 2.0GHz or faster), or iMac G5 (1.9GHz or faster).
* GarageBand Learn to Play requires an Intel-based Mac with a dual-core processor or better.
* 512MB of RAM; 1GB recommended. High-definition video requires at least 1GB of RAM.
* Approximately 4GB of available disk space
* DVD drive required for installation
* Mac OS X v10.5.6 or later
* QuickTime 7.5.5 or later (included)
* AVCHD video requires a Mac with an Intel Core Duo processor or better. Visit iMovie ’09 Camcorder Support for details on digital video device and format support.
* 24-bit recording in GarageBand requires a Mac OS X-compatible audio interface with support for 24-bit audio. Please consult the owner’s manual or manufacturer directly for audio device specifications and compatibility.
* Some features require Internet access and/or MobileMe; additional fees and terms apply. MobileMe is available to persons age 13 and older. Annual subscription fee and Internet access required. Terms of service apply.
* iPhoto print products are available in the U.S., Canada, Japan, and select countries in Europe and Asia Pacific.
* GarageBand Artist Lessons are sold separately and are available directly through the GarageBand Lesson Store in select countries.
* Burning DVDs requires an Apple SuperDrive or compatible third-party DVD burner.
* Flickr service is available only in select countries.

[CharlesS]

Detach Audio

Separate the audio from a video clip in a project to move it independently or change the audio speed.

Thank God they brought that one back!

[cspuryear]

Wonder if they'll offer free upgrades if we just bought a mac in the last week?

[Dakar V]

Originally Posted by Eug 

requires an Intel-based Mac with a dual-core processor

What single core intel chips were there in Macs?

[angelmb]

The Mac mini from 2006 had a 1.5 GHz Core Solo chip.

[seanc]

Mac Mini - Core Solo.

[Dakar V]

Thanks.

[Chongo]

The brought back the export to iDVD function. It's a PITA now. I use iMovie HD because of that, and have not learned the new interface.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by cspuryear 

Wonder if they'll offer free upgrades if we just bought a mac in the last week?

Nope, only if you bought today (01/06/09) or after and does not include iLife 09.
Apple - iLife - Update your new Mac with iLife ’09.

[orytek]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Hmmm... Maybe iMovie '09 will not suck. Looks promising with its new editing features.

PC apps like Pinnacle, nero, Premiere and almost all others, have scrambled to offer native avchd editing. I haven't heard anything about this with iMovie 09. if I have to continue going through an intermediate codec then I am going to do all my video editing in Bootcamp using Pinnacle 12 which is superior anyway.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by dru 

If you're a world traveler, have kids or something, I guess iLife 09 is cool.

Haha... yeah. I'm like I need to travel more and get a life to enjoy iLife.

I'm just sitting here in front of my computer all day long.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by cspuryear 

Wonder if they'll offer free upgrades if we just bought a mac in the last week?

Why did you buy it 1 week before MacWorld ?

Did you buy it at an Apple Store ? You can still return it (within 2 weeks period), and then buy a new one WITH iLife 09.

-t

[Stogieman]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Hmmm... Maybe iMovie '09 will not suck. Looks promising with its new editing features.

(I was one of the very many who stuck with iMovie '06, when iMovie '08 turned out to be the pinnacle of Apple software design sucktitude. Actually, I lie. The Apple Airport Utility is worse.)

iMovie 09 looked amazing! I was my favorite part of the keynote. They brought back sooo many features and then some in this version.

You know what was funny? After Phil demoed iPhoto, he moved on to iMovie. You could hear a bunch of mumbles & grumbles throughout the audience. I think it's safe to say that iMovie was the least favorite app in iLife 08. Phil introduced the employee (I forget his name) that was behind the whole change between '06 & '08. As the employee walked on stage, I could hear someone behind me say, "Hey look, that's the dude that ****ed up iMovie!"

I have to say, I thought this guy did an amazing job during the demo. Not including Steve Jobs, I think he's the best presenter Apple has (sorry Phil). I think the dude has his own RDF going on. He got a huge applause as he left the stage. Be sure to checkout the iPhoto & iMovie demos when the Keynote is available later tonight.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Hmmm... Maybe iMovie '09 will not suck. Looks promising with its new editing features.

(I was one of the very many who stuck with iMovie '06, when iMovie '08 turned out to be the pinnacle of Apple software design sucktitude.

iMovie '08 is GREAT!

It just lacks a bunch of features - which they've now added back.

[JKT]

Yes, a lot of blowhards incapable of thinking differently (oh, the irony) gave iMovie '08 a bad reputation it little deserved. Significantly easier to use than previous versions by a long way - I think many people had forgotten that the original purpose of the app was to make video editing as easy as it possibly can be and a pick-it-up-and-know-how-to-do-it-in-seconds thing, rather than to be Final Cut Pro for $16.

[striderdm1]

Originally Posted by Eug 

* Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor[/i]

I'm still using my Power Mac G5 (dual 2ghz) and I love iMovie (& the rest). Although I've been worried about the near future support, so totally relieved to see the old trusty G5 still supported!!! PHEW

[Maflynn]

The more I think about it, the more I hope iWeb has some improvements. I've been using Rapidweaver for some small sites that I maintain. While I like it, iWeb is vastly easier to use, though more limited. I may take the plunge and plunk down some cash for iLife 09 given what the features of iweb reported.

[Stogieman]

Looks like there's no difference between iDVD '08 & '09. Oh well, a least they brought back chapter markers in iMovie '09.

[webraider]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Hmmm... Maybe iMovie '09 will not suck. Looks promising with its new editing features.

(I was one of the very many who stuck with iMovie '06, when iMovie '08 turned out to be the pinnacle of Apple software design sucktitude. Actually, I lie. The Apple Airport Utility is worse.)

iMovie '09 looks like it will be much better than iMovie '06. It looks like you can do everything you could in '06 plus more. Slow Motion and Rewind have been added to it as well as chapter markers for iDVD. The seperate editor for audio and video are nice. Just an all around nicer UI than iMovie '06. iMovie '08 is much faster than '06 so i would imagine this to still be the case.

Effects and Themes look like you can add third party stuff again. This is good.

[Mac User #001]

The face recognition in iPhoto '09 - would that work on animals? Just curious.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Detach Audio

Separate the audio from a video clip in a project to move it independently or change the audio speed.

Thank God they brought that one back!

That will come in handy for syncing the audio and video in those flash video porn movies.

[CharlesS]

Er, not exactly what I had in mind, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[B Gallagher]

Originally Posted by Mac User #001 

The face recognition in iPhoto '09 - would that work on animals? Just curious.

Would be interesting to find this out, for those wanting to use this for pictures of their cat/dog/etc. I don't think it would be impossible with animals, but it's likely it would be less effective. At least that would be my guess.

[JKT]

I suspect that the tech will use eyes, nose and mouth as the key parameters for determining who is who, so I very much doubt it would work (very well, at least) on animals as the distances between, and sizes of, those features in an animal is likely to be at or outside the extremes of what the software recognises as being 'human' lengths.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Stogieman 

You know what was funny? After Phil demoed iPhoto, he moved on to iMovie. You could hear a bunch of mumbles & grumbles throughout the audience. I think it's safe to say that iMovie was the least favorite app in iLife 08. Phil introduced the employee (I forget his name) that was behind the whole change between '06 & '08. As the employee walked on stage, I could hear someone behind me say, "Hey look, that's the dude that ****ed up iMovie!"

Originally Posted by JKT 

Yes, a lot of blowhards incapable of thinking differently (oh, the irony) gave iMovie '08 a bad reputation it little deserved. Significantly easier to use than previous versions by a long way - I think many people had forgotten that the original purpose of the app was to make video editing as easy as it possibly can be and a pick-it-up-and-know-how-to-do-it-in-seconds thing, rather than to be Final Cut Pro for $16.

'08 was easy to use because you couldn't actually do anything worth doing with it.

P.S. As for the blowhards, you'd probably have to include Apple in that group then, because they are the ones that volunteered '06 as a free download right from the start when they released '08.

Originally Posted by striderdm1 

I'm still using my Power Mac G5 (dual 2ghz) and I love iMovie (& the rest). Although I've been worried about the near future support, so totally relieved to see the old trusty G5 still supported!!! PHEW

There is no reason for this except marketing, but nonetheless this is unfortunate:

Originally Posted by Apple

* GarageBand Learn to Play requires an Intel-based Mac with a dual-core processor or better.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by Eug 

'08 was easy to use because you couldn't actually do anything worth doing with it.

P.S. As for the blowhards, you'd probably have to include Apple in that group then, because they are the ones that volunteered '06 as a free download right from the start when they released '08.

Allow me to reiterate:

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

iMovie '08 is GREAT!

It just lacks a bunch of features - which they've now added back.

You as an Apple user should know that the number of functions doesn't determine the quality of software, and that functions are only interesting if you actually need them.

For those that did, there was iMovie HD.

And now iMovie 09.

Originally Posted by Eug 

There is no reason for this except marketing, but nonetheless this is unfortunate:

There is, actually:

HD playback is an utter failure on any PowerPC machine except dual- or quad-core G5s - which are probably not going to be used for GarageBand.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

HD playback is an utter failure on any PowerPC machine except dual- or quad-core G5s - which are probably not going to be used for GarageBand.

He has a dual G5 2.0 GHz which he is using for iLife, which is why I posted that in the first place.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

You as an Apple user should know that the number of functions doesn't determine the quality of software, and that functions are only interesting if you actually need them.

For those that did, there was iMovie HD.

And now iMovie 09.

iMovie '08 was both unintuitive and free of functionality. You know something is wrong when non-video geek Windows switcher n00bs call me up to ask how to do something basic, and my only answer was to download iMovie '06.

Hopefully iMovie '09 is the new solution.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by Eug 

iMovie '08 was both unintuitive and free of functionality. You know something is wrong when non-video geek Windows switcher n00bs call me up to ask how to do something basic

Actually, no: The exact opposite is true of everything you write there except the "free of functionality" bit, which is a matter of degree.

Everything else is completely wrong.

[Eug]

Fair enough.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I guess that leaves out my iBook 800. Time to sell it I guess.
Even my 1.6 GHz G4 Cube isn't good enough for the videos, etc. in GarageBand

iLife ’09 System Requirements

* Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
* iMovie requires an Intel-based Mac, Power Mac G5 (dual 2.0GHz or faster), or iMac G5 (1.9GHz or faster).
* GarageBand Learn to Play requires an Intel-based Mac with a dual-core processor or better.

Apple's forced upgrades do work wonders on idiots like me. Sold the iBook 800 already.

Looking forward to iLife '09 on my MacBook white.

P.S. It's doubly lame that iMovie requires a dual Power Mac 2.0, but an iMac G5 is fine. So, my previous old iMac G5 2.0 can run iMovie '09, but someone with a dual 1.8 Power Mac can't? WTF?

[- - e r i k - -]

Look, I can understand why someone would keep hold of their old hardware for as long as possible.

What I don't get is the bitching when they can't get the latest and greatest to work on it.

Your computer is slowly getting obsolete, either deal with it or buy a new one. *sigh*

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

Look, I can understand why someone would keep hold of their old hardware for as long as possible.

What I don't get is the bitching when they can't get the latest and greatest to work on it.

Your computer is slowly getting obsolete, either deal with it or buy a new one. *sigh*

...which is why I bought a new iMac. It leaves Mirror Door dual 1.25Ghz G4 Power Mac in the dust, and I paid half the price.

[jretzner]

Wonder if they'll offer free upgrades if we just bought a mac in the last week?

Check out Apple's "Life Up to Date. You may still be able to order this upgrade for your new Mac.

[B Gallagher]

So, has anyone got this yet? Impressions??

[timmerk]

I got it, but only have tried iPhoto - the Face detection is awesome! Face recognition is pretty good too. I got mine at my local Best Buy today.

[bbales]

Mine comes tomorrow...

[rickey939]

Looking forward to it, even though iWeb isn't drastically changed, I welcome the enhancements.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by jretzner 

Check out Apple's "Life Up to Date. You may still be able to order this upgrade for your new Mac.

It's worth trying. It worked for me when I bought a PowerBook a few weeks before Panther came out. The form accepted my request without issue and I got the software promptly.

Otherwise try Apple Customer Relations (1-800-SOS-APPL). Not AppleCare!

[The Placid Casual]

Originally Posted by tooki 

It's worth trying. It worked for me when I bought a PowerBook a few weeks before Panther came out. The form accepted my request without issue and I got the software promptly.

Otherwise try Apple Customer Relations (1-800-SOS-APPL). Not AppleCare!

I just used the up to date program for iLife 09 here in France. I bought a Macbook without iLife 09 on the day of the keynote, and they have charged me 8Euro for the pack. Delivery expected today!

http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/

[solofx7]

Originally Posted by timmerk 

I got it, but only have tried iPhoto - the Face detection is awesome! Face recognition is pretty good too. I got mine at my local Best Buy today.

which best buy?
so they had they in stock today?
great!

[ccrider]

apple stores should have iLife in stock today.
SOHO does anyway..

[64stang06]

Originally Posted by solofx7 

which best buy?
so they had they in stock today?
great!

I recommend going to the BB website and checking availability before driving to the store. Can't be too careful

[mdc]

I just bought it from the 5th Ave New York City Apple store.

It's busy installing now and I'll post impressions later. I've moved to Aperture for my photos so am more interested in iMovie.

[Jasoco]

Anyway, I broke down and got me a copy and I must say I am impressed. I haven't been impressed with iLife.. ever. I mean I never used the iPhoto until fairly recently. Never had a use for iMovie until now.

Now I use iPhoto so I was excited to try this out. I am very impressed. It's not perfect, but it was damn well close. The face feature found me in most of my photos. But not all. And hilariously it found faces of non people in some of my really old photos...


Bill, Ted, Tyler Durden, Professor Plum, Colonel Mustard (But surprisingly not Mr. Green) and Kelly Osbourne.

Though the location feature needs work. I can't set specific places easily and have them named that. I have photos taken in parks that aren't in the database, but I can't set them to be named that. Small disappointment. At least Flickr's geotagging works.


iMovie is the most impressing. I mean this is amazing. So easy to use. I could NEVER figure out iMovie before. Not the old version. Not the new version. It was clunky. Slow. Titles were a horror to use. Nothing worked right.

But iMovie '09? Wow. So simple. So fast. I am impressed with the speed. And the features. Drag and drop is so easy. And it imported the sample video from my digital camera quickly. I am seriously thinking I should buy a real camera for my trip this summer. It's going to be so easy to make these movies.


GarageBand I haven't played with enough yet. But I will. I do not have a MIDI cable so I can't hook my keyboard up, but it doesn't seem to be required. Still I should get one if I plan on really learning.


The other stuff, I didn't even install iDVD or iWeb. I don't have a DVD burner (Damn you, Apple. Stupid Combo drive!) and I prefer to code my WordPress blog myself. Nor do I have a "cloud" on Apple's servers. (Plus did they even change anything with those aside from the version?)

[Spheric Harlot]

Face recognition in iPhoto is inaccurate enough (though it gets better) to still require me to go through each and every one of my 8000 photos and help it along.

The number of faces it doesn't even recognize as faces at all is large enough for the automation to be almost useless.

[dustrho]

I'm looking at upgrading from iLife '08 to '09, and I'm most curious what everyone thinks about the new iMovie and iWeb apps. The one thing I really want to know is the following...

Is it possible to overlap two videos on top of each other? I want one video clip to include the audio, and then throw a little bit of another video clip on top of it without any audio. Can this be done? I've searched the net and didn't find the answer, hopefully someone has one for me. Can iMovie '09 do this?

[Chongo]

Did they restore the export to iDVD option?

[Spheric Harlot]

You can export directly to iDVD from iMovie '09