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tRr
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Jun 30, 2004, 05:56 AM
 
Don't yell if if Panther had any of these features
  • TextEdit can save in Word XML format
  • New QuickTime Player
  • Setup Assistant tries to get you to copy files from another Mac (or another volume on your Mac) during setup, and there is now an application you can lanch from Utilitiles to do this any time.
  • Dashboard is by default F12 and is configured through the Expos� control panel... It doesn't do the ripple effect for me (only have GeForce 2MX), but it does zoom in and out upon activation, and when you close a widget it's sucked into the "x" you used to close it.
  • Quartz Debug has the ability to change the User Interface Resolution
  • Your printer now has a "Completed" tab showing the file name and the date and time it was finished... Doesn't appear that you can reprint any documents from here though.
  • Spotlight seems cool and generally works as expected (for an image you can give type in it's height and it will be listed)
  • Pipeline (err... Automator) seems very cool, but is also pretty flaky... I think this is the thing I am most excited about!
  • Calculator has new "Programmer" mode, with all sorts of stuff I could never explain
  • Minor changes to System Profile (just more stuff listed under Hardware it seems)
  • Safari Private browsing: When private browsing is turned on, webpages are not added to the history, items are automatically removed from the Downloads window, information isn't saved for AutoFill (including names and passwords), and searches are not added to the pop-up menu in the Google search box. Until you close the window, you can still click the Back and Forward buttons to return to webpages you have opened.
  • Keychain has seen a rebuilding and personally I think it looks far to confusing...
  • The major new feature in Mail seems to be Smart Mailboxes, although there also is a Safari like Bookmarks Bar where you can add your mailboxes
  • iLife apps do not appear to be bundled with Tiger as of yet...
  • iChat does have profiles
  • Grab has been integrated into Preview, and Preview has lost a lot of it's features (no exporting to different formats yet...)
  • Since it will probably be asked using Terminal and performing the command "touch foo", does not display anything in the Finder without first clicking on the Finder window.

I really didn't want to comment on the Snappyness�, but I'd say as of now it's probably just a tad better then Panther.

Well that's what I have found with one night of searching... Anyone found anything else?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 06:03 AM
 
How do the widgets work in Dashboard? Do you know if Konfabulator ones will work with them? Any option to imbed in the desktop?

How does the menubar look while working? Can the Safari cache be deactivated, or do you still need third-party help like Safari Enhancer?

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Jun 30, 2004, 06:08 AM
 
One of the few minor things i noticed is the .dmg icon is new. It looks like a drive inside a drive kinda cool looking.

The dashboard itunes widget if you click n drag the round wheel it is volume control i thought that was kinda cool.

Also i also like spotlight however in the apple screenshots there was a blueish look at both ends of menubar but i seem to only have it on the spotlight side.

How about you?

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Jun 30, 2004, 06:16 AM
 
When you press F12 there is basically a collapsable Favourite bar along the top where the Widgets are stored... There is a little Trash icon on that bar to delete them, and to get them back it's a double click. They are stored in /Library/Gadgets/TileGame.gadget, for instance.

Just downloaded a Konfabulator widget and it did not work. I also don't see any way to keep them always showing.

Don't know exactly what you mean with the menubar but the Apple menu is not that glossy blue seen in some of the screenshots yet... Also the menubar still has pinstripes on it in this build.

Don't see an option to turn off Safari's cache either.

Fast User Switching also still appears on the menubar, although Spotlight always seems to take the very rightmost position.
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Jun 30, 2004, 06:23 AM
 
Pictures?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 06:23 AM
 
ok thx man thats what i was meaning the Apple menu bar.

btw your from Toronto cool i was born in Toronto i live Owen Sound now though.

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Jun 30, 2004, 06:26 AM
 
I'm going to go take a quick nap for a bit, but if anyone wants pictures, just ask what you'd like to see and I'll do them as soon as I get back up (if somebody hasn't already!)

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Jun 30, 2004, 06:29 AM
 
Originally posted by tRr:
  • Quartz Debug has the ability to change the User Interface Resolution
Is this what I think it is ?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 07:04 AM
 
Thanks. Informative Stuff.

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Jun 30, 2004, 07:19 AM
 
Originally posted by tRr:
When you press F12 there is basically a collapsable Favourite bar along the top where the Widgets are stored... There is a little Trash icon on that bar to delete them, and to get them back it's a double click. They are stored in /Library/Gadgets/TileGame.gadget, for instance.
Is that the real suffix?

So if the "real" name is Gadgets, why call them widgets? That, along with the misconception of being written entirely in JavaScript in the web page (David Hyatt recently said that is not entirely true, they are just web pages rendered in a new webcore) is what I think smells bad about the issue. Just seems like someone at Apple wants to piss Arlo and company for some reason ... huh?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 07:35 AM
 
t's a bit disappointing to see the Finder still doesn't see files created by the terminal.

I've geard great news about the QT player. Is encoding still modal though (ie does it block completely the player)?

I was wondering about how live the queries are, ie if you search for something, the finder displays results, now if you go create a file that corresponds to the search criteria, does the finder live update the search window or do you have to run the search again?
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Jun 30, 2004, 07:41 AM
 
Could someone try this please? Open a finder window, any kind. Then over a network, copy a file to that Finder window. Does Tiger display the file automatically? Or do we need to still close the window, then open it to see the file?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 07:59 AM
 
Hi thansk for your report,

I'd like to know if Autmator writes AppleScripts scripty itself and if you can edit them afterwars with scriot editor ? I hope it's not another locked format.


What about Java 1.5, what does it brings ?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 07:59 AM
 
Originally posted by tRr:
Don't yell if if Panther had any of these features [list][*]Safari Private browsing: When private browsing is turned on, webpages are not added to the history, items are automatically removed from the Downloads window, information isn't saved for AutoFill (including names and passwords), and searches are not added to the pop-up menu in the Google search box. Until you close the window, you can still click the Back and Forward buttons to return to webpages you have opened.
Hahaha! "Porn Browsing Mode"..

I thought that the Automator Image scrape demo would be seen by most young male geeks a a porngrabber, too. One click and all your favourite smut can be saved to DVD

Apple are really going after the Unix geek market..

     
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Jun 30, 2004, 08:08 AM
 
Originally posted by eevyl:
Is that the real suffix?
Yep, we need to know more
Also, could you open one of the "gadgets" package and send the content over here ? I'd like to know what's in it...
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 08:26 AM
 
Preview exports images to the usual set of formats just fine for me...

You can't eat all those hamburgers, you hear me you ridiculous man?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 09:01 AM
 
Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:
Is this what I think it is ?
Yeah, really. What do you mean, exactly, by User Interface Resolution?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 09:03 AM
 
More infos on widgets and the way they work...

He is the guy who made part of Safari
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt...06.html#005876
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 09:26 AM
 
Originally posted by vcutag:
Yeah, really. What do you mean, exactly, by User Interface Resolution?
Apple is working on making Mac OS X resolution independent and are telling developers to keep that in mind when designing apps.
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Jun 30, 2004, 09:34 AM
 
Originally posted by JLL:
Apple is working on making Mac OS X resolution independent and are telling developers to keep that in mind when designing apps.
Okay, gotcha. So this isn't a vector-based GUI, but it's a step in that direction.
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 10:38 AM
 
Originally posted by tRr:

Fast User Switching also still appears on the menubar, although Spotlight always seems to take the very rightmost position.
Can't one manually command + drag menu items wherever they want in the menu bar ?? Or does Spotlight force its way to the right corner for some reason ??
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 10:45 AM
 
I heard iPhoto has some Core Image enhancements - true ?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 10:58 AM
 
Wow, there great, thanks.

I really like how Tiger is turning out, everything seems to be more refined. iChat's groups for instance look awesome, and the side bar reanaming. Not sure about QT's new icon, but I do love its new look. Any chance to see the window with a movie in it? With shadows and all? Also, could I see a picture of the Finder :-). I want to be sure the sidebar looks more like iTunes now (indented). Also, are there anymore Finder prefs? Or anymore view options?

Thanks again for the screenshots
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 11:14 AM
 
In this screenshot, there's a submenu in the context menu titled "Pipeline". What the heck is that?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 11:34 AM
 
I think Pipeline was an early name for what is now called Automater.

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Jun 30, 2004, 11:36 AM
 
Some Observations -

I can't find QT's "Jinfo" window. (Command- J)
QT Player does a fluid resize when you do a quick resize (Command-1 , Command-2 etc..)
QT Exports from QT player are still modal - but in a nice sheet off the window that's being encoded.

Dock is not spring-loaded.
Finder Toolbar is not spring-loaded.

The DotMac prefpane has a new tab "Domains" - seems to be like DynDNS - "If checked, other computers on the Internet will be able to reach your computer at "Widebook.diggorylaycock.members.mac.com"

iSync has become "iSync Device Utility" and "Sync Manager" - the first part is the UI from old iSync - the manager part seems new and includes the old BackUp app by the look of it.
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Jun 30, 2004, 11:48 AM
 
Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
Some Observations -

I can't find QT's "Jinfo" window. (Command- J)
QT Player does a fluid resize when you do a quick resize (Command-1 , Command-2 etc..)
QT Exports from QT player are still modal - but in a nice sheet off the window that's being encoded.

Dock is not spring-loaded.
Finder Toolbar is not spring-loaded.

The DotMac prefpane has a new tab "Domains" - seems to be like DynDNS - "If checked, other computers on the Internet will be able to reach your computer at "Widebook.diggorylaycock.members.mac.com"

iSync has become "iSync Device Utility" and "Sync Manager" - the first part is the UI from old iSync - the manager part seems new and includes the old BackUp app by the look of it.
Screenshots, screenshots, screenshots!
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 11:54 AM
 
Spotlight steals the right corner...

Taking some shots now, but the PDF's are corrupt when I try to take a picture with an Apps resolution changed...

Originally posted by Krusty:
Can't one manually command + drag menu items wherever they want in the menu bar ?? Or does Spotlight force its way to the right corner for some reason ??
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:05 PM
 
Originally posted by tRr:
Spotlight steals the right corner...

Taking some shots now, but the PDF's are corrupt when I try to take a picture with an Apps resolution changed...
Does iChat have any way to connect to a Jabber server that you can see?

thanks,
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:24 PM
 
Originally posted by ratlater:
Does iChat have any way to connect to a Jabber server that you can see?

thanks,
-matt
Did you know 10.4 server comes with a Jabber server to use with iChat?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:25 PM
 
Originally posted by ratlater:
Does iChat have any way to connect to a Jabber server that you can see?

thanks,
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In the iChat.app resources, there is a NIB file called "JabberRegister.nib." But it doesn't appear to be implemented yet.
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:31 PM
 
Can I get a full Finder window screenshot?

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Originally posted by zachs:
In the iChat.app resources, there is a NIB file called "JabberRegister.nib." But it doesn't appear to be implemented yet.
Sweet, thanks. I didn't think it would be implemented yet. I'm so excited to get iChat with Jabber support, especially with iChat now supporting multiple profiles. We use Jabber chat for inter-office communication and all the Mac clients are terrible currently. With Jabber gateways this should also allow people to use iChat for all chat protocols...yahoo, msn, etc. Good stuff.

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Originally posted by iOliverC:
Can I get a full Finder window screenshot?

Thanks
http://www.lightscreamer.com/forums/...ull_finder.pdf

     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:38 PM
 
Those look fantastic... thanks for going to all that work. The syncutility one wouldn't download for me however.

I'm curious to see if there is any built in support for PDAs like Palm's without having to install Palm Desktop (now that they don't make it anymore).... any indication?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:43 PM
 
This is all very nice but are your applications running faster? Are there any broken applications if you upgrade from Panther? Any chance for benchmarks?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:48 PM
 
Woah, the Finder screenshot really impressed me. Looks much better. Does the blue gradient bar appear while your always in column view? Or is it just there when you search?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:50 PM
 
Thanks to zachs and tRr for the screenies, they look fantastic. I'm really curious about the .mac DNS thing, that could be handy, but the name is sooo long.

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Jun 30, 2004, 12:51 PM
 
Benchmarks on a product thats up to 12 months away cant be a good idea, as whatever the result, people will moan and moan abut it until tiger comes out... even if it gets faster by the release time.

Also, optimization/speeding things up is that last thing to be done when developing an app/os, no point wasting time optimizing if you are going to be changing the code etc.

Benchmarks on the final or near final are what we want

(Im just trying to stop premature complaining "OMG TIGER IS TEH SLOW!!" etc )
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:51 PM
 
Oooh! Does the Finder now keep window size, like if you open a Finder window from the dock icon, change its size, and close. And then open a window via clicking on the desktop icon, is the size the same as when you clicked on the dock icon?

Another thing, when you reveal the contents of a package, does it always still show in icon mode? Or does it keep your setting?

Thanks,
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Duplicate post. Sorry.
     
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Originally posted by iOliverC:
Woah, the Finder screenshot really impressed me. Looks much better. Does the blue gradient bar appear while your always in column view? Or is it just there when you search?
Nope, just while you are searching.
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:53 PM
 
Here is a screenshot:

Dashboard Options

When you mouse over them the options appear... Imagine the mouse over the sticky... On the bottom right you can see the arrow that flips it around for prefs, and to the top left is the "x" for closing them.

Originally posted by zachs:
Hey...how do you show the prefs for widgets in Dashboard?
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:57 PM
 
Look at the "Copy Applications" menu-item. Does this mean copy/cut-paste to move a file, like on Windows ? Could anyony check this? That would be wonderfull.
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:57 PM
 
I'm not exactly sure on the first one. You lost me when you said the desktop icon... do you mean in the sidebar?

Yep, it appears they do remember when looking at the package!

Originally posted by iOliverC:
Oooh! Does the Finder now keep window size, like if you open a Finder window from the dock icon, change its size, and close. And then open a window via clicking on the desktop icon, is the size the same as when you clicked on the dock icon?

Another thing, when you reveal the contents of a package, does it always still show in icon mode? Or does it keep your setting?

Thanks,
Oliver
     
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Jun 30, 2004, 12:58 PM
 
Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:
Look at the "Copy Applications" menu-item. Does this mean copy/cut-paste to move a file, like on Windows ? Could anyony check this? That would be wonderfull.
That already exists under Panther, actually, although it's only copy-paste (no cut).
     
 
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