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Han's Hands on Leia · Jul 31, 2002, 03:55 PM

Acording to Think Secret:
<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/news/jaguargm.html" target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/news/jaguargm.html</a>

Sounds like Hotline is going to have a busy weekend!

Paul Applegate · Jul 31, 2002, 03:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Han's Hands on Leia:
Acording to Think Secret:
<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/news/jaguargm.html" target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/news/jaguargm.html</a>

Sounds like Hotline is going to have a busy weekend!

<hr /></blockquote>I saw that as well, very exciting news....!
Paul

stew · Jul 31, 2002, 04:08 PM

Just wondering - what difference does that make anyway? Mortals won't get it before 8/24, so why all the excitement?

Han's Hands on Leia · Jul 31, 2002, 04:12 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by stew:
Just wondering - what difference does that make anyway? Mortals won't get it before 8/24, so why all the excitement?<hr /></blockquote>Because we can get reviews of it weeks before the 24th.

dazzla · Jul 31, 2002, 04:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by stew:
Just wondering - what difference does that make anyway? Mortals won't get it before 8/24, so why all the excitement?<hr /></blockquote>Like Han's Hands on Leia said, hotline and carracho will be busy so I'm sure there will be plenty of people getting their hands on it before the 24th...

Justin W. Williams · Jul 31, 2002, 04:46 PM

Isn't there some differences b/w a GM and the final release that is in the box? I thought i heard someone mention that before. Maybe I am smoking crack though.

Yoda's Erotic Piggyback · Jul 31, 2002, 04:53 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
Isn't there some differences b/w a GM and the final release that is in the box? I thought i heard someone mention that before. Maybe I am smoking crack though.<hr /></blockquote>No the people who came up with that were on crack.

TC · Jul 31, 2002, 04:53 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
Isn't there some differences b/w a GM and the final release that is in the box? I thought i heard someone mention that before. Maybe I am smoking crack though.<hr /></blockquote>Pass it over fella, a really good drag and I�ll be believeing the debug code is still in there slowing it down.

Developer · Jul 31, 2002, 05:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
Isn't there some differences b/w a GM and the final release that is in the box? I thought i heard someone mention that before. Maybe I am smoking crack though.<hr /></blockquote>What you heard was probably that the GM still has the debug code turned on. Even boxed versions that will be delivered ahead of time will have the debug code turned on to fool the public. Of course they have the same build number as the GM and the 'real' final to make the illusion perfect.

I can neither confirm nor deny that that is true though.

Han's Hands on Leia · Jul 31, 2002, 05:27 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
Isn't there some differences b/w a GM and the final release that is in the box? I thought i heard someone mention that before. Maybe I am smoking crack though.<hr /></blockquote>What you heard was probably that the GM still has the debug code turned on. Even boxed versions that will be delivered ahead of time will have the debug code turned on to fool the public. Of course they have the same build number as the GM and the 'real' final to make the illusion perfect.

I can neither confirm nor deny that that is true though.

<hr /></blockquote>Ya, you can thank the idiots at MacNet2 for that mess.

Gatorzx2 · Jul 31, 2002, 06:06 PM

Definitely good news to hear. I've only used OS X for 3 weeks and I already get an update.

Ken_F2 · Jul 31, 2002, 08:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Isn't there some differences b/w a GM and the final release that is in the box? I thought i heard someone mention that before. Maybe I am smoking crack though.<hr /></blockquote>No they are the same. People often bring up "debug code" but that is all just nonsense. All OS's have some amount of debug code. This does not impact performance. The so-called "checked builds" (which people really mean when they refer to a version with debug code) are not distributed outside of Apple. Said another way, the OS X releases with debug code that slows performance are not distributed outside Apple. None of the releases sent to developers, or posted illicitly on Carracho, are checked builds with debug code.

[ 07-31-2002, 08:06 PM: Message edited by: Ken_F2 ]

lextek · Jul 31, 2002, 08:28 PM

I was at the Westfarms Apple store playing with the 17" iMac and it had 10.2 on it. I didn't notice the build. Nice machine.

[ 07-31-2002, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: lextek ]

pliny · Jul 31, 2002, 09:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
Isn't there some differences b/w a GM and the final release that is in the box? I thought i heard someone mention that before. Maybe I am smoking crack though.<hr /></blockquote>What you heard was probably that the GM still has the debug code turned on. Even boxed versions that will be delivered ahead of time will have the debug code turned on to fool the public. Of course they have the same build number as the GM and the 'real' final to make the illusion perfect.

I can neither confirm nor deny that that is true though.

<hr /></blockquote>okay--i'm generally of the "yes, Developer!" frame of mind but i don't know what you're talking about

[ 07-31-2002, 09:21 PM: Message edited by: pliny ]

Justin W. Williams · Jul 31, 2002, 09:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TC:
Pass it over fella, a really good drag and I�ll be believeing the debug code is still in there slowing it down.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>*passes it on*

Thanks to all for clearing up the myth.

Nephron · Jul 31, 2002, 09:53 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
Isn't there some differences b/w a GM and the final release that is in the box? I thought i heard someone mention that before. Maybe I am smoking crack though.<hr /></blockquote>Hiya,

A recent build was RC1 (release candidate 1). There will likely be at least one more release candidate then the gold master (GM). There may be several builds between RC1 and RC2 (not widely distributed), and between RC2 and GM.

By definition:
GM = Gold Master = version sent to factory for mass duplication. All the retail CDs are burned with the GM image (gold master used to refer to the special gold-coloured CD used as the master image). There are no differences between GM and what you buy at the store.

Cheers!

Socially Awkward Solo · Jul 31, 2002, 10:18 PM

Can't wait till this weekend!

funkboy · Jul 31, 2002, 10:46 PM

This wouldn't mean that, say, Apple would send out disks earlier than August 24, would they? Or that at least machines at the Apple Store will have the GM on them soon?

If anyone knows when the Apple Store in Minneapolis has it on their machines... well, let me know

King Bob On The Cob · Aug 1, 2002, 03:09 AM

You know what I just noticed? My OS 10.0 CD looks like it was created with a CD burner and then was pressed like a CD-R... I can see the little rings on it and I can't see them on the 10.1 (both discs) or any other CDs I have. Usually the pressing factories are very good at making the entire back of the disc look uniform and one color. (I even get the Semi-Green glare off my 10.0 disc! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> ) My rant is now done. You may go back to the regularly scheduled broadcasting.

Chris Grande · Aug 1, 2002, 03:13 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lextek:
I was at the Westfarms Apple store playing with the 17" iMac and it had 10.2 on it. I didn't notice the build. Nice machine.<hr /></blockquote>Cool, a CT person.

Thats all I had to say.

AKcrab · Aug 1, 2002, 03:24 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nephron:
All the retail CDs are burned with the GM image (gold master used to refer to the special gold-coloured CD used as the master image).<hr /></blockquote>So, what's so special about these 'gold' CD's? Why are they gold?

Socially Awkward Solo · Aug 1, 2002, 03:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by AKcrab:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nephron:
All the retail CDs are burned with the GM image (gold master used to refer to the special gold-coloured CD used as the master image).<hr /></blockquote>So, what's so special about these 'gold' CD's? Why are they gold?<hr /></blockquote>It was just a way to tell them apart from regular CD's. They are also better quality.

moonmonkey · Aug 1, 2002, 03:55 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by AKcrab:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nephron:
All the retail CDs are burned with the GM image (gold master used to refer to the special gold-coloured CD used as the master image).<hr /></blockquote>So, what's so special about these 'gold' CD's? Why are they gold?<hr /></blockquote>I think the gold CD are made by a big expensive machine which sprays liquid onto the CD to create the dimples which the laser reads, the dimples on the green ones we burn at home are made by heating.

Possibly <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[ 08-01-2002, 03:59 AM: Message edited by: moonmonkey ]

edddeduck · Aug 1, 2002, 05:36 AM

I just burnt 3 GM builds for a game and let me tell you the disc was not gold....

They were Viking 700MB

Gold Master was in the old days gold was better quality now it's just a saying.... They could still be gold for a large release but I don't see the point as the "GM" disk I send off was duplicated at least 2000 times each no sweat...

Cheers Edwin

mikerally · Aug 1, 2002, 06:18 AM

The disc is gold because the master CD in the old days were actually used in the beginning of the CD pressing process (probably still are today?).

Bascially, the pressing of CDs is like the pressing of Records - where you had one master mould of the disc made of metal or silver or something that was actually physically used to press the discs.

Now the Gold CD-ROM sent to the CD pressing house would be used to actually make the Silver/Metalic mould - remember the mould is an INVERTED image of the disc - and this mould is used to recreate the original CD by being pressed into the plastic discs.

Why is the CD Gold? Well if you sent them a plastic CD - it would melt wouldn't it? when trying to create the mould.

Only one - and I mean one of these very expensive CDs is sent out to each pressing house - and many many moulds are made from it, these moulds are used to press hundreds and thousands of plastic CDs.

JohnD · Aug 1, 2002, 08:55 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mikerally:
The disc is gold because the master CD in the old days were actually used in the beginning of the CD pressing process (probably still are today?).

Bascially, the pressing of CDs is like the pressing of Records - where you had one master mould of the disc made of metal or silver or something that was actually physically used to press the discs.

Now the Gold CD-ROM sent to the CD pressing house would be used to actually make the Silver/Metalic mould - remember the mould is an INVERTED image of the disc - and this mould is used to recreate the original CD by being pressed into the plastic discs.

Why is the CD Gold? Well if you sent them a plastic CD - it would melt wouldn't it? when trying to create the mould.

Only one - and I mean one of these very expensive CDs is sent out to each pressing house - and many many moulds are made from it, these moulds are used to press hundreds and thousands of plastic CDs.<hr /></blockquote>Actually I think it is a plate with a negative CD image on it.
The plate can be mounted in the mould to reproduce the CD tracks.
Probably to prevent corrosion on the master image some kind of gold stuff is pressed or sprayed on the top layer.

Nonsuch · Aug 1, 2002, 09:38 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by funkboy:
This wouldn't mean that, say, Apple would send out disks earlier than August 24, would they? Or that at least machines at the Apple Store will have the GM on them soon?

If anyone knows when the Apple Store in Minneapolis has it on their machines... well, let me know

<hr /></blockquote>The Apple store machines have their hard drives re-imaged remotely from Cupertino every night. I would bet the demo models (all of them, not just the new iMac) will be sporting the GM build within a couple days of its declaration.

The Jackalope · Aug 1, 2002, 11:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nonsuch:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by funkboy:
This wouldn't mean that, say, Apple would send out disks earlier than August 24, would they? Or that at least machines at the Apple Store will have the GM on them soon?

If anyone knows when the Apple Store in Minneapolis has it on their machines... well, let me know

<hr /></blockquote>The Apple store machines have their hard drives re-imaged remotely from Cupertino every night. I would bet the demo models (all of them, not just the new iMac) will be sporting the GM build within a couple days of its declaration.<hr /></blockquote>Hunh! Now that's cool! I didn't realize they were remotely controlled.

Oh yeah, and Minneapolis' Apple Store has a 17" iMac running a beta of 10.2 now. Not bad!

pliny · Aug 1, 2002, 11:40 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Jackalope:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nonsuch:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by funkboy:
This wouldn't mean that, say, Apple would send out disks earlier than August 24, would they? Or that at least machines at the Apple Store will have the GM on them soon?

If anyone knows when the Apple Store in Minneapolis has it on their machines... well, let me know

<hr /></blockquote>The Apple store machines have their hard drives re-imaged remotely from Cupertino every night. I would bet the demo models (all of them, not just the new iMac) will be sporting the GM build within a couple days of its declaration.<hr /></blockquote>Hunh! Now that's cool! I didn't realize they were remotely controlled.<hr /></blockquote>That IS cool.

absmiths · Aug 1, 2002, 12:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nonsuch:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by funkboy:
This wouldn't mean that, say, Apple would send out disks earlier than August 24, would they? Or that at least machines at the Apple Store will have the GM on them soon?

If anyone knows when the Apple Store in Minneapolis has it on their machines... well, let me know

<hr /></blockquote>The Apple store machines have their hard drives re-imaged remotely from Cupertino every night. I would bet the demo models (all of them, not just the new iMac) will be sporting the GM build within a couple days of its declaration.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, that's awesome. I was saved from purchasing a really crappy laptop because the machine was a display model and was all hosed up - if they had used Apple technology to wipe the machines every night I might have actually purchased the pile...

mrchin · Aug 1, 2002, 01:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nonsuch:
The Apple store machines have their hard drives re-imaged remotely from Cupertino every night. I would bet the demo models (all of them, not just the new iMac) will be sporting the GM build within a couple days of its declaration.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>not true. Sorry.