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galarneau · Dec 3, 2002, 10:15 AM

Looking at the pricepoints:

$999 - 17" 1280x1024 Display

$1600 - ???

$2499 - 22" 1600z1024 Display

Personally, I'd like a little more than the 17", but I can't really afford the 22"

Just curious if I'm the only one who wants a 19" 16:9 ratio LCD for $1600

Dicuss

PCTek · Dec 3, 2002, 03:11 PM

Honestly, Apple needs to drop the prices of their displays.

Ideally, this is what I would like;

17" - $799
19" - $1,499
22" - $1,999
23" - $2,899

Feasible?

jonny05 · Dec 3, 2002, 04:02 PM

Hell yeah!

$999 for a 17" LCD is a rip off, doubly so when it needs an adaptor to connect it to anything other than a newish Mac. And it's supposed to be the entry-level display.

If they drop the price for the 17" to $799 (and �521 instead of �821) then I'll be queuing up to buy one.

The DVI-ADC adaptor could do with a snip (in the UK at least) too - $149 vs �129

Jonny05

CheesePuff · Dec 3, 2002, 05:45 PM

Yeah, I can get a much better 19" Viewsonic LCD for $950 now (better contrast ratio, pixel response time, brightness, etc.)

And I doubt the 23" will come down to $2,899 *anytime* soon. Large LCDs cost much much more than a Plasma. (That's why you can get a 42" Plasma for $2,999 now).

JayTi · Dec 3, 2002, 07:56 PM

Yah, Apple needs a 19" and it is coming. The current prices will drop and then we will have a new member added to the family. Can I say when? No. But I can tell you its soon, so keep your eyes peeled.

Ramza · Dec 3, 2002, 09:45 PM

Soon as in January? I'd like a tiny bit of info because I'm planning on getting an LCD in the very very near future(as in the next couple of weeks).

galarneau · Dec 3, 2002, 10:50 PM

Well, I sure hope that it's a wide aspect ratio display...

Anybody in the know (hint hint) have any info on this?

BJNY · Dec 4, 2002, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by JayTi:
Yah, Apple needs a 19" and it is coming. The current prices will drop and then we will have a new member added to the family. Can I say when? No. But I can tell you its soon, so keep your eyes peeled.

Any chance the bezel will be thinner, as in the Titanium PBG4?
Any chance the industrial design of the new display(s) will accept standard VESA 100mm format mounting brackets and wall-mount arms?

Eug · Dec 4, 2002, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by BJNY:

Any chance the bezel will be thinner, as in the Titanium PBG4?
Any chance the industrial design of the new display(s) will accept standard VESA 100mm format mounting brackets and wall-mount arms?

Sounds like you might want a Samsung SyncMaster 172T.

Bezel thinner? Yep. 7/8th of an inch.
Titanium G4-like? Yep. Silver, industrial looking.
VESA wall mounting? Yep. VESA wall mount bracket included in box. 75 mm though.

Only 17" though.

The 19" Samsung 191T might fit your bill though 100 mm mount, 0.7" thin bezel, and silver. It's still 1280x1024, like the 17" and 18" models.

JayTi · Dec 4, 2002, 11:03 PM

Wall mountable? Unlikely. New Design? Unlikely. Wide Aspect Ratio? Take a guess.

BJNY · Dec 4, 2002, 11:14 PM

Thanks for the quick replies.
I'm going to wait until MWSF 2003 to get a Titanium/Superdrive
and a 19" LCD. Will there still be a promotion then to save some dough when buying them together?

CheesePuff · Dec 4, 2002, 11:54 PM

Update the specs on the 17" and lower it to $799, and do the same for the 22" and 23" (I'd say $2,299.00 and $3,299.00).

CheesePuff · Dec 4, 2002, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by BJNY:
Thanks for the quick replies.
I'm going to wait until MWSF 2003 to get a Titanium/Superdrive
and a 19" LCD. Will there still be a promotion then to save some dough when buying them together?

Don't count on a 19" from Apple.

You can always get a digital Samsung 18" 1280x1024 for about $850 or so.

Scotttheking · Dec 5, 2002, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by CheesePuff:

Don't count on a 19" from Apple.

Read this thread.
Then read it again.
Then think about what you said.

schalliol · 03:06 AM

Here's some pics of my Dell 1900FPs that I got out today. I have to say that I prefer these to a Cinema 23" HD. There's so much more viewable space, and the main thing to give up is the seemless area in the middle (thought it's much better here than in other LCDs with big bezels). This is nearly the same as the Samsung 191t. Call up Dell small business and see what they'll give you on them. These were the most cost effective for me, given the great quality. After sales tax & shipping, less than $1600 for the set.

http://www.schalliol.com/G4/sm/1.jpg

http://www.schalliol.com/G4/sm/2.jpg

http://www.schalliol.com/G4/sm/3.jpg

The load here dropped by at least 15% when I swapped out these 19's from my Sony 17s (GDM-17SE2Ts)
http://www.schalliol.com/G4/sm/4.jpg

I highly recommend them. Go digital if you can, I can really see a difference. I'm going to wait to get a new dual DVI/ADC card until MacWorld, but both connections allow automatic recognition by colorsync of the display type, which is nice.

solitere · Dec 10, 2002, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by PCTek:
Honestly, Apple needs to drop the prices of their displays.

Ideally, this is what I would like;

17" - $799
19" - $1,499
22" - $1,999
23" - $2,899

Feasible?

I got the Viewsonic VG800 18" for 840 Euro Tax 22% included. And it�0�7s as good or better than the Apple 17" TFT display that Apple has on Applestore for about 1300-1400 Euro.

schalliol · Dec 10, 2002, 08:38 PM

Well, even before the VAT, Apple is certainly selling the 17 for more.

Originally posted by solitere:

I got the Viewsonic VG800 18" for 840 Euro Tax 22% included. And it?0�7s as good or better than the Apple 17" TFT display that Apple has on Applestore for about 1300-1400 Euro.

BJNY · Dec 11, 2002, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by schalliol:
The load here dropped by at least 15% when I swapped out these 19's from my Sony 17s (GDM-17SE2Ts)
http://www.schalliol.com/G4/sm/4.jpg

What brand UPS with an LCD display showing load, etc.?

schalliol · Dec 11, 2002, 06:07 PM

APC Smart-UPS 1000 with APC PowerView display/controller.

I also have APC Web/SNMP Management Card, Expansion Chassis, Environmental Monitoring Card, and 4 Port Ethernet Port Protector. I'd be happy to give you more details if you desire.

OldManMac · Dec 11, 2002, 07:18 PM

This is all pure speculation: nobody here knows what's coming or isn't coming from Apple.

galarneau · Dec 11, 2002, 07:48 PM

schalliol, not so fast. Evidently JayTi works for Apple. I think that says something.

OldManMac · Dec 11, 2002, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by galarneau:
schalliol, not so fast. Evidently JayTi works for Apple. I think that says something.

If JayTi works for Apple, he's making statements that could be construed as leaking info, and shouldn't be.

BTW, I do work for Apple, and I don't know anything about upcoming product, if any is coming, and even if I did, I would know better than to post it. I've never been in a jail cell, other than to put someone in one as a former reserve police officer, and I wouldn't want to start living in one now.

schalliol · Dec 12, 2002, 05:01 AM

galarneau,

Were you referring to me? All I said was that Apple is really selling the 17 for a lot in the EU. That said, I would not imagine that anyone at Apple (unless somehow planted to create hype) would post something on such a public forum about unannounced hardware.

galarneau · Dec 12, 2002, 07:56 AM

sorry schalliol, I posted my response to you by accident. I was referring to the statement made by KarlG.

I suppose you are right KarlG... we won't know anything until they want us to. I remember when the Apple LCD's were priced right along with the others on the market, but now they really are quite a bit more.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for lower prices soon and a display to fill the gap between the 17" and 22"

schalliol · Dec 12, 2002, 11:47 AM

Agreed. The Apple displays are quite nice, but seem overpriced in this current market. They may be able to get a slight premium over many other manufacturers, but max. penetration will be received with a lesser premium.

I strongly encourage you to take a look at the Samsung 191t and Dell 1900FP displays that I have (Dell is essentially re-badged with a different base). They are incredible as I am using them now. You may see the links I have provided above for view of my multimonitor system. Also, I believe that the 1900FP is now $719, an incredible value (considering it looks better to me than even the Cinema displays). Of course two at $1550 shipped (with 8.25% tax) provides more viewable space and resolution (though in a different form) than the 23" HD. One thing that is ideal about these displays are that they have a highly minimal bezel (~3/4 of one inch).

tdgrmsn · Dec 13, 2002, 11:21 PM

If they do/did release a 16x9 19" panel, anyone know what the native resolution would be? I'm bad at math. Around 1820x1024? Are there any existing 19" flatpanels on the market?

Oh and damn I hope they redo the industrial design. The stripes NEED to go away. Why did they not vanish with the CRT iMac's? And the tripod design takes up way too much space compared to what it could be and every other LCD is (except formac).

Kill the pinstripes!

Eug · Dec 13, 2002, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by tdgrmsn:
If they do/did release a 16x9 19" panel, anyone know what the native resolution would be? I'm bad at math. Around 1820x1024? Are there any existing 19" flatpanels on the market?

How about 1600x900?

You're right though, 1820x1024 is 16:9.

schalliol · Dec 14, 2002, 03:29 AM

tdgrmsn, look up to my links and you can see pics of my 19's.

JayTi · Dec 14, 2002, 11:00 PM

schalliol, what department do you work in? Just curious. Anywho, yes I have information, big deal. I'm under NDA (you would be too, but most ASC's, product specialists don't have to be) so I'm not about to leak info, but sometimes a little bit of insight is nice. Read what Scottheking posted, about reading this thread again and seeing if what I said could be constrewed as leaked. It is public knowledge that Apple ordered quite a few 19" LCDs. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what for.

schalliol · Dec 15, 2002, 09:48 PM

JayTi, oerhaps you are thinking about something else here. I no longer work for Apple and never indicated that I did. I work for a startup company based in Bloomington, IN, but I live in Silicon Valley where I take care of business development and finance (not going to work at Apple).

I doubt you violated your NDA by disclosing what is public information, outside the NDA. If your NDA did not include reference to the information you distribute, then I would guess that you didn't violate it, but people at Apple could be upset that you released public shipping records, etc.

With specific reference to your "coming soon" post, I personally took that as you did not know for sure about private information, but that you say it the same way I say, faster PowerMacs are coming, soon. If I had knowledge of this actually happening in the near future (say MacWorld), or say that I said that a new Cube were coming out then I would likely violate the NDA. If you note to people that you are under NDA about such items then they will take your comments seriously and that "soon" phrase would lead people to avoid purchasing a 17 if they wanted a 19 (while it may sound good, Apple wants money sooner). If you think you violated it, either try to edit the thread (can you go back and edit?) or as an admin to take it down, as it could put you in legal trouble.