[voicebox]

Just upgraded my new 17' 2.4 MPB and my 15" PB to 10.4.10 - no problems with 'popping' speakers, in fact no problems at all.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Sijmen 

voodoo, I guess you're not much of a philosopher.

Interesting debate!

You'd be surprised. However there is a time for thinking and a time for acting. This issue isn't about to disappear by philosophizing it away.

A discussion on cause and effect in general is better suited elsewhere.. certainly not in a thread about a tech problem.

I want to see the issue fixed as does everyone who has this annoying bug. Simple as that.

V

[- - e r i k - -]

You are one to talk about derailing tech threads

But I'm glad to see that you have learnt

[solofx7]

i had the popping speakers issue too.
i have since been testing leopard, and now my machine is in for service so i am not sure if the issue continues.

[WOPR]

Mine's still popping like a maniac, have Apple even acknowledged the problem???

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

You are one to talk about derailing tech threads

But I'm glad to see that you have learnt

As long as everone is happy

V

[ghporter]

My MBP doesn't pop at all. Of course I don't plug speakers into it, or even headphones most of the time. Since external speakers have a lot of interface issues with a lot of different computers, I can't think that this is a "universal, functionality-impacting, world is ending" problem... A simple workaround would be to just not turn on your external speakers until after you've turned on your Mac.

[JustinHorne]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

A simple workaround would be to just not turn on your external speakers until after you've turned on your Mac.

Not if you're computer randomly makes the pops while running, as mine, and I assume other's here, does.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

A simple workaround would be to just not turn on your external speakers until after you've turned on your Mac.

I would call that a temporary work around. If this happened to Windows, we'd all be joking about how much Windows sucks and wondering why Windows users put up with this junk and don't move to Apple.

[WOPR]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

My MBP doesn't pop at all. Of course I don't plug speakers into it, or even headphones most of the time. Since external speakers have a lot of interface issues with a lot of different computers, I can't think that this is a "universal, functionality-impacting, world is ending" problem... A simple workaround would be to just not turn on your external speakers until after you've turned on your Mac.

You've totally misunderstood the problem. Every time your Mac makes a sound when it's been silent, the speakers pop, then when music or whatever has finished, a few seconds later they pop again. Every time the audio circuitry is 'put to sleep' or wakes it pops. It's infuriating.

[Jumbonium2007]

My Core duo mini did the same thing.. very infuriating... I just installed the Leopard 9A466 Build and the popping is still there... really weird.. Leopard 9A466 runs decent though on the mini

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by WOPR 

You've totally misunderstood the problem. Every time your Mac makes a sound when it's been silent, the speakers pop, then when music or whatever has finished, a few seconds later they pop again. Every time the audio circuitry is 'put to sleep' or wakes it pops. It's infuriating.

You're right that I misunderstood the issue. However, none of that happens with my MBP. Not a bit of it. And I just updated my wife's 800MHz G4 iBook to 10.4.10 and IT doesn't do this either.

[WOPR]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

You're right that I misunderstood the issue. However, none of that happens with my MBP. Not a bit of it. And I just updated my wife's 800MHz G4 iBook to 10.4.10 and IT doesn't do this either.

That's because iBook's don't have Intel processors.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by WOPR 

That's because iBook's don't have Intel processors.

Obviously. But I put that in because of the bit Hal Itosis posted about his PowerBook having a separate issue. Basically, I have not seen/heard this problem at all.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

Obviously. But I put that in because of the bit Hal Itosis posted about his PowerBook having a separate issue. Basically, I have not seen/heard this problem at all.

Yet it is very real.

V

[zeppocat]

Count me as another who has the annoying popping. g00ba's solution is elegant and simple, except for one thing: How to obtain the back-version kext to replace the new one?

The problem certainly is extremely annoying.

An interim solution I have been living with is to put together a playlist of ambient soundtracks and run it at an acceptable volume whenever I'm not listening something else. Since the popping doesn't happen when the sound card is actively in use. I don't hear the popping while I play music or podcasts or whatever.

But it would be nice to, if not fix, then at least re-hide the problem, so I don't have to keep something constantly on iTunes to avoid the annoyance.

[Kar98]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

You're right that I misunderstood the issue. However, none of that happens with my MBP. Not a bit of it. And I just updated my wife's 800MHz G4 iBook to 10.4.10 and IT doesn't do this either.

Connect external powered speakers to your MBP and report back. Your wife's iBook shouldn't be doing it anyway, seeing how it has PPC CPU.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by Kar98 

Connect external powered speakers to your MBP and report back. Your wife's iBook shouldn't be doing it anyway, seeing how it has PPC CPU.

I don't need external, powered speakers with my MBP, so I haven't ever tried it. Is it specifically "powered" speakers, and not just any speakers?

I'll look at this when I get a chance.

[Sethro]

I'm really dissapointed with the whole update in general, I have noticed that my Macbook is starting up alot faster than it did before and the machine apparently runs alot cooler than it did before.

But that having been said I really have some serious problems with the update like the constant failure of my Airport Wireless signal stength and my connection is constantly dropping. The only known solution being putting my Macbook to sleep and waking it up again. So far I dont seem to be having any problems with the popping speakers that alot of people are complaining about but I dont use my laptop for listuning to music I just sync songs to my iPod.

But other than that everything seems to be fine, Apple should really focus on making an update or a fix for the popping speakers and the silly wireless connections not to mention the kernal panics that everybody at the Apple forums in complaining about.

[vertigociel]

I've got the popping issue as well (MBP C2D 2.16 GHz) - it seems that if you've got a Mintel, you're likely to have this problem. However, most people don't notice it, because the sound is very faint on the internal speakers. If you hook it up to some powered externals, though, it's hard not to notice.

This isn't a show-stopping flaw for most people, as it can be avoided by just keeping something playing the whole time. If you work in audio for a living, though, it can be - and seeing as how Apple caters to the creative professional, it's very disappointing that they haven't fixed it, let alone acknowledged it.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by Sethro 

I'm really dissapointed with the whole update in general, ... The only known solution being putting my Macbook to sleep and waking it up again.

If a sleep/wake reconnects you, why not just go to the AirPort indicator and use its controls to disconnect then reconnect? That should be a lot faster. It also sounds like an issue that you could fix with creating a new wireless location.

I have not had any problems with the 10.4.10 update, particularly in regards to AirPort; I connect at home and at school with boring regularity. I haven't plugged powered speakers into my MBP yet, but I'm going to try that today and see what happens.

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

I've only have heard 3 pops on my new iMac, after in installed 10.4.10. I haven't heard any other pops sense.

[ghporter]

Powered speakers? Check! Volume (on the Mac) up all the way? Check! Pops? NONE. I do hear a faint, almost indiscernible click just before a paused song in iTunes starts up again, but even with high volume, it's really difficult to make out.

Now for the kicker: I'm using a Core Duo MBP, NOT a Core 2 Duo computer. Is there a correlation here?

[vertigociel]

How long are you pausing iTunes to wait for a pop? On my machine it takes about 20-30 seconds after the music stops to hear the pop, and then you can hear another one right before a sound plays. With the Mac's volume on 3/4, and the externals on 3/5, it is clearly audible to me.

I don't think there's much of a correlation between C2D machines and this problem - many people with CD Mac Minis reported this problem on the Apple Forums.

Having the laptop run on battery rather than the adapter seems to make a different in some cases, as well.

[ooninay]

I have the popping on my black MacBook Core Duo (not Core 2 Duo), and I usually have external speakers connected. I haven't noticed a pattern; sometimes it's rare and sometimes it's about every 10 seconds. Maybe it does have to do with some sound system going to sleep and waking up again as some have observed. When it happens I find it *extremely* irritating...

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

Powered speakers? Check! Volume (on the Mac) up all the way? Check! Pops? NONE. I do hear a faint, almost indiscernible click just before a paused song in iTunes starts up again, but even with high volume, it's really difficult to make out.

Now for the kicker: I'm using a Core Duo MBP, NOT a Core 2 Duo computer. Is there a correlation here?

My CD MacBook isn't popping, but my C2D iMac (rarely) pops.

[jersey]

Audio Update 2007-001

This update resolves an audio issue and is recommended for all users running 10.4.10 on Intel-based Macs.

For detailed information on this update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/305840

[zeppocat]

That link doesn't go: says it's outdated or something.

[analogika]

True. The links aren't live yet.

Apple menu --> Software Update...

[WOPR]

Yay! The fix works

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[vertigociel]

The Audio Update also solved my issues as well. Although an acknowledgment from Apple and a "hey, we're working on it" would have been nice, about a week from bug report to patch isn't bad.

[voodoo]

When I go home I will try this. It has been a long week Apple!

V

[philm]

I just went to 10.4.10 yesterday and my speakers have been popping every couple of minutes all day. Drives me nuts. Looks like this has affected lots of people. Except moderators. Well, I guess they should get something for their time looking after these fora.

Looks like this Audio Update has worked for me.

[onlyone-jc]

The Audio Update didn't fix the issue for me. I've been having it since 10.4.9.

onlyone-jc.

[AppleOptionFour]

Add me to the popping list.

I gots a 10.4.10 - C1D MacMini. Going to try the fix later today.

[allblue]

Just to be different... I occasionally get a 'popping' sound - and I'm running 10.3.9 on a G4 iMac! It doesn't happen very often, when it does it is after starting up (i.e. it doesn't suddenly appear during normal operation) and restarting gets rid of it.

On a related tangental note, if you chant the Shinto mantra 'Nam myoho renge kyo' (I respect the Universal Law of Cause and Effect which governs our lives) on a regular basis it will divert harm from your family. Apparently.

[Mayor Simpleton]

Originally Posted by frdmfghtr 

I saw some of those posts and they aren't saying "there's now way that the update caused it"; they are saying there is no conclusive proof the update caused it. One of them actually made a good point--the update might not have caused the problem, but revealed the problem. There's a difference between the two points.

If you think about it this way, it is possible that they are actually correct:

The audio system should not pop when power is turned on or off. Prior to the 10.4.10 update, the audio system was powered continuously, so the improper operation was never observed. The 10.4.10 update turns it on and off as needed to help save battery power, revealing the popping sound caused by a defect in hardware.

So while the problem started with the update, it's not necessarily the CAUSE of the problem. The real cause could be a defect in the audio hardware, revealed by a change in operation controlled by software.

This sounds like it could be true. My speakers are old so could be the problem. I just got off the phone with tech support and they said it was my hardware, despite me arguments.

Anyway, could some one explain the instructions posted previously like I am a five year old?

1) replace /System/Library/Extensions/AppleHDA.kext with the one from 10.4.9 How do I do this?

2) in the terminal, type 'touch /System/Library/Extensions' (this rebuilds the kext cache) This I probably can figure out. Do I type exactly with the ' included?

3) reboot I'll need help with this also

Thanks!

[Mayor Simpleton]

Originally Posted by Mayor Simpleton 

This sounds like it could be true. My speakers are old so could be the problem. I just got off the phone with tech support and they said it was my hardware, despite me arguments.

Anyway, could some one explain the instructions posted previously like I am a five year old?

1) replace /System/Library/Extensions/AppleHDA.kext with the one from 10.4.9 How do I do this?

2) in the terminal, type 'touch /System/Library/Extensions' (this rebuilds the kext cache) This I probably can figure out. Do I type exactly with the ' included?

3) reboot I'll need help with this also

Thanks!

Nevermind about explaining the fix. It looks like frdmfghtr was right - at least in my case. I plugged my speakers into my ipod and the popping continues. Looks like I need new speakers. Strange that it started only after the 10.4.10 update though.........

[WOPR]

Oh for the love of God! The update caused the problem, so Apple released a fix which cured it. Get over it people please!

[kelso]

The speakers now seem to make a weird sound after I open the lid to my macbook; after is awakes. Like a swish sounds. Its hard to explain.

[onlyone-jc]

Originally Posted by kelso 

The speakers now seem to make a weird sound after I open the lid to my macbook; after is awakes. Like a swish sounds. Its hard to explain.

I get the exact same thing.

onlyone-jc.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by kelso 

The speakers now seem to make a weird sound after I open the lid to my macbook; after is awakes. Like a swish sounds. Its hard to explain.

Mine's been doing that since I got it in November.

It's the audio board powering up.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by WOPR 

Oh for the love of God! The update caused the problem, so Apple released a fix which cured it. Get over it people please!

Indeed. It is as if there was a momentary lapse of sanity with certain people.

V

[kelso]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Mine's been doing that since I got it in November.

It's the audio board powering up.

It is? It never did that before. Its nothing bad is it?

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by kelso 

It is? It never did that before. Its nothing bad is it?

The "pop" comes from the audio circuits placing a DC voltage on the speaker lines. That's all. It is a direct result of having GOOD signal coupling from the amplifier circuits to the output jack (it's called "direct coupling" because it comes off the output leads of the amplifier transistors). Lots of high-dollar amps cause popping on speakers, but most of us are unaware of this because we aren't the ones turning those amps on and off.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by twalker294 

So anyone else here having this issue?

"Don't see it mate; my OS goes to eleven. 10.4.11."

Edit: I can't believe no one asked Nigel.

[ghporter]

I knew Nigel would have 10.4.11, but since this was about 10.4.10, I didn't bring him up. Besides, I hate shouting into the phone when I call him.

[Timo]