[benign]

Love My Dog, Love Me
The great Arab-Muslim-American puppy story.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109596/

[Albert Pujols]

My friend's dog drooled all over me. Yuck.

[mixin visuals]

wierd???

[AKcrab]

Why would 'man's best friend' be considered 'unclean'? Is there some sort of rationale in the Koran?

[TheBadgerHunter]

Thats a very nice story.

[voyageur]

Having a (friendly) dog at your side is a plus for anybody. When I've got my dogs along, people stop and talk to me more, too.

[paully dub]

A dog's mouth is cleaner than a human's. And haven't studies (or a recent study) shown that having pets like dogs around is good for a young child's immune system.

But weirdos who have little dogs they kiss on the mouth, a la the Osbournes creep me out.

And a friend of mine in Casablanca said they kept away spirits. Good ones, I imagine.

[brapper]

having a good dog around makes everyday better.
there's no downside.
Great story.

[Azzgunther]

Instead of blaming 9/11 for people avoiding eye contact, would it not be worthwhile to consider the fact that anybody percieved to be a member of an extreme religion will be avoided?

I personally view a person who has to wash their hands seven times after being licked by a dog as mentally ill. Is he really shocked that, after moving into a country that shares very few of his (silly) beliefs, he is an outcast?

Join us, get a dog, raise your children without instilling your insanity in them, stop trying to get your driver's liscence picture taken while wearing a burqua. Most of all, stop acting like an outsider! It's the best way to be welcomed.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by Azzgunther:
Instead of blaming 9/11 for people avoiding eye contact, would it not be worthwhile to consider the fact that anybody percieved to be a member of an extreme religion will be avoided?

I personally view a person who has to wash their hands seven times after being licked by a dog as mentally ill. Is he really shocked that, after moving into a country that shares very few of his (silly) beliefs, he is an outcast?

Join us, get a dog, raise your children without instilling your insanity in them, stop trying to get your driver's liscence picture taken while wearing a burqua. Most of all, stop acting like an outsider! It's the best way to be welcomed.

Because people like you can't tolerate anything outside of fat capitalist pigs.

Why does every have to be the same to make people comfortable?

[Xeo]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Because people like you can't tolerate anything outside of fat capitalist pigs.

Why does every have to be the same to make people comfortable?

This is quite true.

[olePigeon]

Originally posted by AKcrab:
Why would 'man's best friend' be considered 'unclean'? Is there some sort of rationale in the Koran?

Probably because they eat their own feces and lick their balls... then lick your face.

[Komisar]

That is an interesting story.... seeing how that dog gave people a different input of him.... And as for what badger said and xeo said... they are right

[olePigeon]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Because people like you can't tolerate anything outside of fat capitalist pigs.

Why does every have to be the same to make people comfortable?

"Be white, be Christian, be happy."

[MacmanX]

Originally posted by paully dub:
A dog's mouth is cleaner than a human's.

I'm afraid this isn't true. While it may not be cesspit dirty, a dog is not very particular about what it puts its tongue on. I have an ASPCA book which is very clear on this matter right up front.

I thought that was a very nice story. I wasn't aware of the Muslim views towards dogs, but every religion has views that others will find strange if they knew about them. Now I know not to take my dog to the Mosque! That could have been embarrassing.

Cheers!

[Azzgunther]

Originally posted by olePigeon:
"Be white, be Christian, be happy."

Illogical beliefs in any religion are a sign of mental handicapping. It doesn't matter what skin color a person has.

[olePigeon]

Originally posted by Azzgunther:
Illogical beliefs in any religion are a sign of mental handicapping. It doesn't matter what skin color a person has.

It does in America.

[ironknee]

Originally posted by olePigeon:
It does in America.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by Azzgunther:
Illogical beliefs in any religion are a sign of mental handicapping. It doesn't matter what skin color a person has.

Illogical? By whose logic? Your infallible western logic? Its not up to anyone to decide if someone's beliefs are logical or not, or whether they have the right to practice them. If I recall this is one of the "freedoms" americans are supposed to tout. Maybe I missed the fine print that says only he logical beliefs that agree with mainstream westerners are allowed.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Azzgunther:

I personally view a person who has to wash their hands seven times after being licked by a dog as mentally ill. Is he really shocked that, after moving into a country that shares very few of his (silly) beliefs, he is an outcast?

Join us, get a dog, raise your children without instilling your insanity in them, stop trying to get your driver's liscence picture taken while wearing a burqua. Most of all, stop acting like an outsider! It's the best way to be welcomed.

So in other words they are only ok if they act in the American way which is the right way.

Some would say you are the one that is mentally ill.

[Azzgunther]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Illogical? By whose logic? Your infallible western logic? Its not up to anyone to decide if someone's beliefs are logical or not, or whether they have the right to practice them. If I recall this is one of the "freedoms" americans are supposed to tout. Maybe I missed the fine print that says only he logical beliefs that agree with mainstream westerners are allowed.

Dude...he has to wash his hands seven times after a dog licks them. Let's stop playing games. This is a sign of mental illness. One time would be more than sufficient for bacteria, but he does it six more times to please Allah?

The point is, you are not going to be able to fit in with a society that you moved into if you alienate yourself. I never said he shouldn't have the right to practice as he chooses, but I did respond to his allegation that people veer away from him in public due to 9/11. If somebody wants to act contrary to the norm in ANY given culture, they must expect that people will notice and perhaps avoid such behavior.

If I moved to Egypt and watched porn with the volume cranked up, who thinks that they would be tolerant of me?

If I moved to India and walked around with hamburgers in both hands, who thinks that they would be tolerant of me?

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
So in other words they are only ok if they act in the American way which is the right way.

Some would say you are the one that is mentally ill.

Hey...guess what...THEY LIVE IN AMERICA. Of course the American way is the right way. If he didn't live here I wouldn't care much. If he wants to live in a country, he must play by the rules and obey the laws. An additional but unspoken requirement for a fertile existance is to avoid acting in a manner that is unfamiliar and/or strange to the indigenous people. I'm just living in reality, if somebody wants to call that an illness than more power to'em.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Azzgunther:

Hey...guess what...THEY LIVE IN AMERICA. Of course the American way is the right way. If he didn't live here I wouldn't care much. If he wants to live in a country, he must play by the rules and obey the laws. An additional but unspoken requirement for a fertile existance is to avoid acting in a manner that is unfamiliar and/or strange to the indigenous people. I'm just living in reality, if somebody wants to call that an illness than more power to'em.

So what you're saying is by washing their hands they are going against the rules is disobeying the laws?

You voted for Bush right?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Azzgunther:
Illogical beliefs in any religion are a sign of mental handicapping. It doesn't matter what skin color a person has.

I could just imagine if someone said that about homosexuality in here.

[Azzgunther]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
So what you're saying is by washing their hands they are going against the rules is disobeying the laws?

You voted for Bush right?

No. Your comprehension abilities don't seem to be up to par tonight. I don't think I said anything too controversial with that post.

I actually volunteered about 20 hours of my time for the Kerry campaign.

Is there a problem in being of the school of thought that political correctness is out of hand? Tolerance and living in peaceful coexistence is paramount, and I am tolerant. I'm also realistic. That is a complex concept. On one hand, I've spent a great deal of my time working and volunteering for the rights of homosexuals and minorities. On the other hand, if a person in one of those two groups is acting like a nut job, I'll tell them so. Just like I would any "normal" person. I've been called homophobic and racist before.

We could all use a bit more tolerance and realistm, with a bit less political correctness.

Many Americans are not understanding of that which is different, and if a person wants to practice rituals that alienate him from his adopted country's native people, I have no sympathy for him when people "avert their eyes."

Since you are getting caught up on my point about logic, somebody tell me that it's logical to wash your hands seven times after a dog licks them. That's the only specific thing I've said about logic. It's stupid, and I don't care if it's a religious custom.

Stupid trumps tradition.

[11011001]

Originally posted by Azzgunther:
Let's stop playing games. This is a sign of mental illness. One time would be more than sufficient for bacteria, but he does it six more times to please Allah?

From here

"Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder where a person has recurrent and unwanted ideas or impulses (called obsessions) and an urge or compulsion to do something to relieve the discomfort caused by the obsession."

A similar definition can be found on any website, or in any text book.

Dude, washing ones hands 7 times for religious reasons is no more obsessive than the Hail Mary.

If somebody wants to act contrary to the norm in ANY given culture, they must expect that people will notice and perhaps avoid such behavior.

How is looking Arab and walking down the street going against the norm in American society? (he stated was the problem when he did these things)

Your argument is suggesting that washing ones hands is going against the norm of society. Okay. Right. So that's why people are going to avoid eye contact, and assume him to be a possible member of a terrorist organization? Your argument is flawed, and makes no sense. Maybe if you expanded on it you might clear things up.

If I moved to Egypt and watched porn with the volume cranked up, who thinks that they would be tolerant of me?

If I moved to India and walked around with hamburgers in both hands, who thinks that they would be tolerant of me?

These are the stupidest analogies I have ever read. These things would be just as bad in America. So.. I'm assuming for you it's the norm? Do you wear hamburgers on your hands there?

The guy is brining his cultural values to the United States. Your analogies should be something along similar lines.

Hey...guess what...THEY LIVE IN AMERICA. Of course the American way is the right way. If he didn't live here I wouldn't care much. If he wants to live in a country, he must play by the rules and obey the laws. An additional but unspoken requirement for a fertile existance is to avoid acting in a manner that is unfamiliar and/or strange to the indigenous people.

So, have you seen people of his ethnicity acting in a way unfamiliar or strange to the implicit rules of American society? Have you ever seen a Muslim washing his hands 7 times after touching a dog? Did it cause you that MUCH offense?

If this isn't what you are talking about would you mind giving us a few examples of what you do find to be against the norms of American society?

Maybe you are forgetting how diverse your country is.

[Eriamjh]

Other than this line:"In Islamic tradition, Muslims are prohibited from touching the saliva of dogs." it doesn't say WHY they are prohibited from touching the saliva of dogs.

It says what they must do if they DO touch the saliva of a dog, but not why.

Is it in the Koran? Can anyone provide the passage?

I guess the book telling us why is not likely. There are many beliefs and "traditions" that come out of statements in religious documents like "Thus Allah said to Abraham, 'Dogs are unclean'". Somehow someone interpreted this to mean "Thou shalt not touch a dogs saliva", etc. and becomes a rule in a religious order.

Jews aren't supposed to eat pork.

Catholics aren't supposed to eat fish on Fridays.

Hindus don't eat cows.

Does it say anything about not eating p***y in the Bible?

[Abu Bakr]

Bismillah Hir Rehman Nir Rahim

It is a common misconception by Muslims that dogs are to be avoided. It is mostly based on the Hadiths and the Hadiths aren't to be trusted 100%. Especially when they have no backing in the Quran.

There are several conflicting stories in the Hadiths regarding dogs. Some say that Gabriel wouldn't come to Muhammed(pbuh) when a puppy slept under the Prophets bed. Others say that you can keep dogs for hunting. Another Hadith says you can eat dead animals if your hunting dog catched it. Several different versions of what to do have been recorded. But nothing in the Quran says anything about it.

You should of course wash your hands if a dog licks them as well as wash your face if a dogs licks your face. The seven times IIRC comes from Muhammed(pbuh) washing his hands that often after a dog licked his hands(again according to the hadiths). But back then they didn't have industrial strenght soaps as we do now so back then washing your hands seven times made sense. Today it doesn't.

But what a sad state of affairs it is that Muslims have to go through in the US, just because they are different. I guess the US hasn't come so far from the days of MLK.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Azzgunther:
... An additional but unspoken requirement for a fertile existance is to avoid acting in a manner that is unfamiliar and/or strange to the indigenous people. ...

Heh - "indigenous" - that's funny. You a native American? What if a muslim was born in the US and still washes his hands seven times after a dog licked 'em? You sure "indigenous" was the word you're looking for?

What about the "redneck" who licks his hands instead of washing them after his dog licked 'em? Do you get on his case, too?

Is it weird (from my pov) to wash your hands seven times? Definitely. Do I care if some dude spends three days in the tub, scrubbing and washing himself 23 times an hour after a dog licked his hands? As long as he doesn't plan on washing and scrubbing me instead - I couldn't care less.

[paully dub]

Originally posted by MacmanX:
I'm afraid this isn't true. While it may not be cesspit dirty, a dog is not very particular about what it puts its tongue on. I have an ASPCA book which is very clear on this matter right up front.
Cheers!

I have heard/read that dog saliva is cleaner (more germ free, kills more bacteria, etc) than human saliva.


But anyway, depends on the dog, depends on the human, innit?

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Abu Bakr:
Bismillah Hir Rehman Nir Rahim

It is a common misconception by Muslims that dogs are to be avoided. It is mostly based on the Hadiths and the Hadiths aren't to be trusted 100%. Especially when they have no backing in the Quran.

There are several conflicting stories in the Hadiths regarding dogs. Some say that Gabriel wouldn't come to Muhammed(pbuh) when a puppy slept under the Prophets bed. Others say that you can keep dogs for hunting. Another Hadith says you can eat dead animals if your hunting dog catched it. Several different versions of what to do have been recorded. But nothing in the Quran says anything about it.

You should of course wash your hands if a dog licks them as well as wash your face if a dogs licks your face. The seven times IIRC comes from Muhammed(pbuh) washing his hands that often after a dog licked his hands(again according to the hadiths). But back then they didn't have industrial strenght soaps as we do now so back then washing your hands seven times made sense. Today it doesn't.

But what a sad state of affairs it is that Muslims have to go through in the US, just because they are different. I guess the US hasn't come so far from the days of MLK.

Ah good, saved me the typing

There is nothing in the Qur'an that says anything to the effect of 'thou shalt not go near a dog'.

[SubGeniux]

Muhammed himself had a pet cat, which I thought was kinda cute. As to the dog thing, I echo Abu Bakr, and LBK's posts.

In any case, what is so wrong in washing your hands after touching a dog's saliva, reigious or otherwise? I don't see many complaining about what happens around the time Jewish women menstruate.

[GoGoReggieXPowars]

Originally posted by paully dub:
A dog's mouth is cleaner than a human's.

No it isn't. It's a stupid saying that people spread as fact when there's no evidence that it is.

[PacHead]

If some muslims are afraid of dogs, maybe the US military should hire a whole bunch of frothing at the mouth german shepards, inorder to deal with the terrorist lowlifes in Iraq.

[SubGeniux]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Snipped Garbage

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by PacHead:
If some muslims are afraid of dogs, maybe the US military should hire a whole bunch of frothing at the mouth german shepards, inorder to deal with the terrorist lowlifes in Iraq.

Idiot.

And while we're on the topic of dogs and the US military, their snipers have been shooting dogs in Iraq, just for the hell of it. Fvking idiots.

[SubGeniux]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Idiot.

And while we're on the topic of dogs and the US military, their snipers have been shooting dogs in Iraq, just for the hell of it. Fvking idiots.

The soldiers must have ran out of innocent Iraqis to indiscriminately shoot at.

Pigs.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by SubGeniux:


The soldiers must have ran out of innocent Iraqis to indiscriminately shoot at.

Pigs.

Haha, baloney. Anybody male left in fallujah = bad guy.

[SubGeniux]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Haha, you're dead right. I'm not too clever and I come from some backwater, so don't listen to me. Yeehaaawww paw!

[PacHead]

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Haha, I have no reasonable reply to the highly gifted and intelligent PacHead, so I'll just make up some crap, while rooting for my terrorist friends who love to chop off heads while they scream some stupid, primitive crap.

[SubGeniux]

Originally posted by PacHead:

Originality has just left the building.

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by Abu Bakr:
But what a sad state of affairs it is that Christians have to go through in the muslim world, just because they are different.

[SubGeniux]

Originally posted by Sherwin:

Why not ask the Christians?
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/ofm/curr/TSread12.html

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Haha, baloney. Anybody male left in fallujah = bad guy.

Yes, the American way: aka, half assed

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by PacHead:
If some muslims are afraid of dogs, maybe the US military should hire a whole bunch of frothing at the mouth german shepards, inorder to deal with the terrorist lowlifes in Iraq.

Its really sad that people like you prove the terrorists right.

[SubGeniux]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Its really sad that people like you prove the terrorists right.

At the rate Pahead is going, you'll be classed a terrorist unless you live in Kentucky.

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Why not ask the Christians?

What? The ones in the Lebanon?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
At the rate Pahead is going, you'll be classed a terrorist unless you live in Kentucky.

Kentucky has nothing to do with anything. Pro-Terrorists exist in every state and every country. We are keeping tabs on these people.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Sherwin:
What? The ones in the Lebanon?

Even better, ask the Christians in the sudan.

[SubGeniux]

Originally posted by Sherwin:
What? The ones in the Lebanon?

You're the one who gave the thumbs up to Pachead's post.
Pachead: "But what a sad state of affairs it is that Christians have to go through in the muslim world, just because they are different."

Now, that is quite general and no specifics mentioned, it's a bit like me saying Muslims suffer in the Christian world. So, I posted a link to some very happy Christians in Jordan. Now, we could go through this country by country, but I think you get the point.

[SubGeniux]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Even better, ask the Christians in the sudan.

Why not ask the Muslims in Chechnya?