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solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 02:28 AM

I have it and I must say that it is pretty slick...
there is really no "killer" feature, but it is still light years ahead of windows.
the install is pretty fast.
you can tell it is a bit from release with the programs that do not runs and such.
i can take a couple of questions....

- - e r i k - - · Jun 25, 2007, 02:30 AM

But is it too slick? Are you afraid you might drop it and glass will shatter everywhere?

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 02:33 AM

possibly...
i think the emulation of Vista is not needed, but it does look pretty...
they only borrowed that "one" thing from Vista that I can see..

JKT · Jun 25, 2007, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by solofx7

possibly...
i think the emulation of Vista is not needed, but it does look pretty...
they only took back that "one" thing from Vista that I can see..

Corrected. There is nothing else to "borrow" - it was all ripped off from NeXT and OS X (as well as Sun, etc) anyway.

Obi Wan's Ghost · Jun 25, 2007, 03:19 AM

Semi-transparent window borders in Vista derive from the design of the iMac G4's monitor.
Shiny black elements in Vista and Leopard from the black iPod.
Traffic light window buttons from . . . traffic lights!

It is about time to come up with something to replace the Aqua scroll bars and window widgets. The iTunes scroll bar won't do. It's dire to look at and clashes with the window widgets. Leopard thus far still has some GUI inconsistency.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 09:27 AM

i would personally like to have tabs in finder, but i guess i cannot have everything...

TETENAL · Jun 25, 2007, 09:42 AM

The Finder has tabs already. Since Panther.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The Finder has tabs already. Since Panther.

how do i enable that?

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The Finder has tabs already. Since Panther.

are you talking about Safari?
i am looking everywhere and do not see a function for tabs in finder.

JellyBeen · Jun 25, 2007, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by solofx7

are you talking about Safari?
i am looking everywhere and do not see a function for tabs in finder.

He's been smoking again, there are NO tabs in the Finder.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by JellyBeen

He's been smoking again, there are NO tabs in the Finder.

that is what i thought, but hey what can i do...
i gotta ask right?
i was using pathfinder, but it does too much deep in the OS X stuff and causes more issues than it solves...

any other leopard questions?
i can't wait till it comes out so i can run to the store and pick it up...

pendragon · Jun 25, 2007, 12:24 PM

Has anyone started a list of third party apps that do not (yet) run in Leopard? I am most concerned with Toast, DiskWarrior, and TTP. But others, such as the Haxies and PithHelmet may also not work as expected. Comments?

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 12:37 PM

toast does work. a lot of programs work.
right now the ones that do not work are NeoOffice and Aperture.
Aperture is the odd one since it is Apple and all.

TETENAL · Jun 25, 2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

i am looking everywhere and do not see a function for tabs in finder.

Tabs in Finder are located in the column on the left side of the window.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Tabs in Finder are located in the column on the left side of the window.

i mean tabs like in Safari or Path Finder.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 12:48 PM

also the test is sharper. the OS overall looks sharper and i am not sure if that lends itself to the whole resolution independence thing or not.

TETENAL · Jun 25, 2007, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

i mean tabs like in Safari or Path Finder.

What's wrong with the tabs on the side?

lpkmckenna · Jun 25, 2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

What's wrong with the tabs on the side?

I agree, the current Sidebar is good enough for "tabbing." The "add to sidebar" shortcut is even cmd-t.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

What's wrong with the tabs on the side?

are you referring to the folder hierarchy?
i am actually meaning real tabs across the top like Safari and Path Finder and such.... = different finder windows with different content.

solofx7 · Jun 25, 2007, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

I agree, the current Sidebar is good enough for "tabbing." The "add to sidebar" shortcut is even cmd-t.

i am sorry, i must disagree that is really not tabbing... but i will give it a shot for the crowd!

pianoman.jeremy · Jun 26, 2007, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The Finder has tabs already. Since Panther.

How does one confuse tabs with shortcuts/the sidebar?
Yes, I agree. Many other things are tabbed. Why not complete the business and make Finder tabbed? I like the option of dragging tabs into new windows in the new Safari. They should have that in Finder too.

Sethro · Jun 26, 2007, 10:12 PM

Hi I have a question, how well does 10.5 perform. Is it at par with 10.4.10 in terms of performance and realibilty, I'm thinking of getting it and installing it when it comes out but alot of people have told me to wait until atleast March or April.

How well does it perform on the machine your using?
In your own personal opinion do you think the Intel GMA 950 card that currently ships with the Macbook series will be able to handle the new effects like Core Animation and all the transparencies?
How much RAM is a minimum and it the new operating system taxing on the machine, does it heat up faster etc.

Chuckit · Jun 26, 2007, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sethro

Hi I have a question, how well does 10.5 perform. Is it at par with 10.4.10 in terms of performance and realibilty

This is not a very good question to ask about beta software, since the fact that it isn't completely fine-tuned is precisely why it's not release software. Nonetheless, Leopard is already a lot faster than Tiger by all accounts.

Originally Posted by Sethro

I'm thinking of getting it and installing it when it comes out but alot of people have told me to wait until atleast March or April.

Did they give any reason why?

solofx7 · Jun 26, 2007, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by pianoman.jeremy

How does one confuse tabs with shortcuts/the sidebar?
Yes, I agree. Many other things are tabbed. Why not complete the business and make Finder tabbed? I like the option of dragging tabs into new windows in the new Safari. They should have that in Finder too.

i agree and i thought that i was crazy and had missed something.
tabs in finder would make sense.
use path finder for a little bit and you will see what a difference it makes.
i am always dragging and moving files here and there and such...
tabs makes life easier like in safari or firefox....

Mrjinglesusa · Jun 26, 2007, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sethro

Hi I have a question, how well does 10.5 perform. Is it at par with 10.4.10 in terms of performance and realibilty, I'm thinking of getting it and installing it when it comes out but alot of people have told me to wait until atleast March or April.

How well does it perform on the machine your using?
In your own personal opinion do you think the Intel GMA 950 card that currently ships with the Macbook series will be able to handle the new effects like Core Animation and all the transparencies?
How much RAM is a minimum and it the new operating system taxing on the machine, does it heat up faster etc.

For BETA software I'm pretty impressed. It is seems faster than 10.4.10 overall and I have yet to see a spinning beachball. In terms of performance, I'd say at this point it is at least on par with, if not better than 10.4.10. Reliability, it's hard to say - it is a beta after all. However, in 4-5 hours of normal use, no hangs, crashes, spinning beachballs, or other odd behavior. There are some interface quirks here and there but in terms of overall stability it's pretty darn good.

No one knows how this will perform on any given machine/configuration until someone actually tries it...

Mrjinglesusa · Jun 26, 2007, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by solofx7

toast does work. a lot of programs work.
right now the ones that do not work are NeoOffice and Aperture.
Aperture is the odd one since it is Apple and all.

Aperture works fine for me.

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2007, 10:53 PM

It performs just fine. Mostly you won't notice a speed difference. Some things are noticeably faster though, like cached applications relaunch. As I said in the other thread. Photoshop can launch almost instantaneously on a MacPro (less than 3 seconds on average for me).

Stability however is hit and miss. For me AirPort won't automatically reconnect after sleep or on restarts. Soundtrack Pro won't export properly (known issue), and in CS3 I can't manually rearrange stuff in palettes (like layers). That one is pretty hard to keep reminding myself of, and thus I get to test that hyperfast relaunch quite often

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2007, 11:04 PM

Aperture works for me too.

solofx7 · Jun 27, 2007, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

Aperture works fine for me.

what version?
any issues with any apps?

PaperNotes · Jun 28, 2007, 12:14 AM

Save/Save As... dialog windows/sheets are very unoptimized at this point. They are slow and throw a spinning wheel when resizing them.

Whatever happened to Block UDF Traffic and Enable Stealth Mode options under Firewall?

- - e r i k - - · Jun 28, 2007, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by solofx7

what version?
any issues with any apps?

I can't open Illustrator CS3. Moving things around in Photoshop palettes causes it to instantly crash (re-arranging layers etc.) Rise Of Nations won't display graphics and intro movies are choppy (Rosetta). Soundtrack Pro has exporting problems (course I haven't tried exporting after the new update). Final Cut Pro has major issues with Spaces. Spaces has issues with dual monitors in general (moves windows down from the empty second monitor menubar area when switching). Spaces have issues with apps being on other screens when opening multiple documents at once - switching back and forth rapidly, sometimes depositing windows where they don't belong. AirPort needs to be re-connected everytime I restart or wake from sleep and iScrobbler can't seem to remember my keychain password. InputManagers are disabled, and I can't find out to re-enable them (no Saft, no Inquisitor

). Other than that, things are mostly sweet

Mrjinglesusa · Jun 28, 2007, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by solofx7

what version?
any issues with any apps?

Latest version, whatever that is (1.5?).

Parallels won't start up but I haven't tried reinstalling it. I read somewhere they have a Leopard version though. Photoshop is fine other than the issues Eric mentioned.

This is my "backup" computer so I really only use it for web surfing, iPhoto, iTunes (streaming to AppleTV), Mail, iWeb, etc. In other words, nothing productive.

For what I use it for, everything works fine.

solofx7 · Jun 28, 2007, 08:56 AM

yeah 1.5.3 i think is the latest version of Aperture.
NeoOffice did not work, but there is a patch that updates it to working.
hmm... trying to think if there is anything else.

does anyone else use this on their main machine?
i an not using 10.4.10 right now, I am using leopard exclusively.
the only main issue that i had was during a back up of files yesterday it just locked up .
i must admit thought my machine is in for service though i should have it back today. new hdd and fans in tow

- - e r i k - - · Jun 28, 2007, 09:03 AM

Yeah, I just got through probably the most insane work-week ever on it surprisingly unscathed. Only once did I have to reboot into 10.4.9 to evade some showstopping bug for an hour or so.

- - e r i k - - · Jun 28, 2007, 09:07 AM

Oh, and FontExplorerX isn't working either :/

vertigociel · Jul 1, 2007, 02:34 AM

What programs do you use in your line of work, - - erik - -? I'm wondering whether to partition my HD to dual-boot Tiger and Leopard, or jump headfirst into Leopard. Is it at a point, stability wise, where it's viable to use it as your primary OS?

I'm on a 15" MBP C2D 2.16 Ghz, with 2 GB RAM, if that affects anything.

PaperNotes · Jul 1, 2007, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by vertigociel

What programs do you use in your line of work, - - erik - -? I'm wondering whether to partition my HD to dual-boot Tiger and Leopard, or jump headfirst into Leopard. Is it at a point, stability wise, where it's viable to use it as your primary OS?

I'm on a 15" MBP C2D 2.16 Ghz, with 2 GB RAM, if that affects anything.

No you shouldn't use it as a primary OS. It's stable relative to Tiger and Panther Developer Previews but it is still incomplete and not optimized. I have had two kernal panics and there are random though rare slow downs. I partitioned by hard drive and only boot into Leopard for development and testing. That's what it is for until October.

- - e r i k - - · Jul 1, 2007, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by vertigociel

What programs do you use in your line of work, - - erik - -? I'm wondering whether to partition my HD to dual-boot Tiger and Leopard, or jump headfirst into Leopard. Is it at a point, stability wise, where it's viable to use it as your primary OS?

I'm on a 15" MBP C2D 2.16 Ghz, with 2 GB RAM, if that affects anything.

I use Aperture, Final Cut Studio 2 (all programs), CS3 (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and Dreamweaver), Toast, Safari and Mail. I also print to a couple of different printers which works as normal.

I would never recommend putting a beta software on anyone's production machine. But in some cases the added productivity from the new Finder, QuickLook and CoverFlow might weigh up the quirkiness of the rest of the OS.

I never understand why Apple only lets developers test the OS, and not people who use them for actual work

WJMoore · Jul 2, 2007, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

I never understand why Apple only lets developers test the OS, and not people who use them for actual work

I know you weren't entirely serious but the reason is developers are generally more qualified and likely provide useful bug reports on problems they encounter. Then there's the whole PR thing.