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Sep 13, 2018, 10:18 PM
 
...and I'm starting with New York! I've been reading various things for the past few weeks and it may be one of the worst in the country. I suppose its not too surprising coming from the state of Boss Tweed and Tamany Hall.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...system/570223/
First and worst, New York uses an outdated voter-registration method that puts the onus on residents to stamp and mail paper forms, and update their information whenever they move out of county. It’s error-prone and inefficient.

New York is also one of just 13 states where early voting is unavailable. Voters may only cast an absentee ballot in very limited circumstances, making it one of the most restrictive processes in the country.

Want to switch parties? If you don’t register the change months ahead of time, you’re out of luck: No primary voting for you. (Even the president’s daughter missed that rule.) On top of that, the state fails to offer same-day registration.
New York is the only state that holds its federal and state primaries on different days, costing millions for an unnecessary, additional day of balloting.
All this comes alongside a disconcerting degree of bad administration. Last year, the state was singled out by the Department of Justice for its failures to comply with federal laws designed to facilitate voter registration at the Department of Motor Vehicles. During the 2016 presidential primary, the nonpartisan Election Protection voter hotline received more calls from New Yorkers than from states with notoriously restrictive systems like Texas and Georgia because of delayed poll openings, equipment malfunctions, and party-registration errors.

To make things more confusing, hours at poll paces are non-uniform and if you squint you might see a pattern...
https://www.democratandchronicle.com...ry/1269913002/
The polls open at 6 a.m. Thursday if you live in New York City, on Long Island or in the following counties: Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess, Orange or Erie.

The polls open at noon Thursday If you live in one of the 49 other counties in the state, including Monroe, Broome, Tompkins and Chemung.
So NYC and Buffalo get extended voting hours but everyone else can't vote before work. That doesn't disenfranchising at all. The worst part:
Then-Albany Mayor Erastus Corning and Monroe County challenged the non-uniform voting hours in 1982, arguing that it disenfranchised upstate voters. But the Court of Appeals upheld the system, ruling that it didn't prevent people from voting and that the state Legislature could set voting hours.
That is a horrible ruling.

Given I'm seeing a lot of coverage today (A lot of people were having trouble voting because their registration 'disappeared' or their party affiliation 'changed' I'm thinking this may come up next term. 'Course Cuomo is such slime he'll probably veto it.
     
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https://twitter.com/AriBerman/status...21777650769920
As @pemalevy reports, ND GOP wrote voter ID law after Heitkamp won her Senate election by 3,000 votes with strong Native support. Tribal IDs, which use PO Boxes for addresses, are not valid IDs under the law, "a specification that seems designed to disenfranchise Native voters"
     
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Oct 10, 2018, 12:33 PM
 
^^^

It certainly wasn't done by accident.

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Oct 10, 2018, 01:27 PM
 
Hmm, yes, it seems there's an issue with citizens not having official addresses due to being on rural roads. Hmm, I guess that means those citizens can't vote! What do you mean we could just give them addresses? Psshaw.

(I grew up in a rural area, and until 1986 my address was Rural Route Box 2890. After that time they started using the road name.)
     
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Oct 10, 2018, 06:45 PM
 
Ha. You wouldn’t need a postal address if you could vote by showing a government issued ID.

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Oct 10, 2018, 06:58 PM
 
Like the Tribal ID?
     
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Oct 10, 2018, 08:15 PM
 
How about retired folks living the dream? White retirees living in their $250K motor home, staying a week in each town that catches their eye. No street address there either. Most likely a PO box, or even a Western Union box.

Or a traveling salesman, living out of his suitcase. Those vacuum cleaners don't sell themselves, you know.

Houseboats. Even if they stay docked, they only have a dock number.

Requiring a street address in order to vote is too limiting.
     
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Oct 10, 2018, 08:28 PM
 
Deployed military personnel would have an APO box instead of a street address.

Homeless citizens. Lose your job, bank forecloses your house, lose your right to vote.
     
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Ever since the conservative majority on the SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act the GOP (especially in southern states) has kicked its voter suppression efforts into high gear. It's long beyond the point where there is any plausible deniability left as to their true intentions.

On Nov. 6, Democratic nominee Stacey Abrams could turn the nation’s political map inside out and become the first black female governor in U.S. history. The mathematics say its entirely possible. The voter enthusiasm is on her side.

There’s only one problem: She’s running against one of the greatest suppressors of the black vote in history.

Brian Kemp has served as Georgia’s secretary of state since 2010. As Georgia’s chief election officer, he is essentially in charge of voter registration, maintaining voter rolls and tallying votes. Yet, ever since he took office, he has employed every possible tactic available to keep blacks and minorities from voting. He has faced numerous lawsuits, endured condemnation and ignored public outcry as he stiff-armed every attempt from anyone who questions his methods.

Called a “remarkable architect of voter suppression” by Abrams, Kemp is a wizard of targeting black voter registrations and tossing them into the garbage. Georgia’s voting population is only 32 percent black. But a recent Associated Press analysis of 53,000 voter registration on hold with Georgia’s office of the Secretary of State shows that nearly 70 percent of the registrants being denied by Kemp’s office are black.

Brain Kemp knows how to purge voters.

Between 2008 until 2012, the state of Georgia struck 750,000 voters from its rolls, according to the Brennan Center for Justice, an unusually high rate of purging, but still within reason. However, after Kemp got his hands on the state’s voting apparatus, he has purged twice as many voters. Kemp has nixed nearly 1.4 million voters from Georgia’s books for inane reasons such as missing hyphens, rumors that voters have moved and even misspelled street names. And since he became the Republican nominee for governor, he has doubled down.

One of his biggest weapons is his “exact match” policy. If a voter’s registration doesn’t match their DMV records (which often has flawed data), Kemp has mandated that the registration be invalidated. There are reports of voters with hyphenated names being removed from rolls because their registration didn’t have the hyphen. Others have been deleted because their addresses were misspelled.

To be fair, when voters sued the state of Georgia about this policy in 2013, noting that it was arbitrary and not a legal standard, Kemp did stop doing it. Then he simply had the Republican-led state legislature pass a law codifying the exact match system, and continued his purge.

Kemp also uses other methods to get rid of voters. He tosses out the names of people suspected of not being citizens. He purges inactive voters. He kicks out people who didn’t serve on jury duty. He uses every imaginable method, and somehow the voters left out are always black.

[B]But purges aren’t Kemp’s only strategy to suppress the black vote. Georgia officials have closed 214 polling places in 53 counties since 2012, according to the Journal-Constitution. And most of the counties (39 of the 53) where those closures occurred are in counties with significant black populations (more than 25 percent).

Earlier this year Randolph County passed a plan to close two-thirds of its polling locations. Not only is Randolph County mostly black, but the elections were run by Michael Malone, who was a Kemp donor and was curiously on the list of people who Kemp was considering using as a consultant for his campaign, the Washington Post reports.

Aside from being an ardent Trump supporter, Kemp is also vehemently opposed to anyone inspecting his handiwork. After intelligence officials noticed that Russian hackers had breached election software in Georgia, Kemp was the only state election official to rebuff help from federal experts.

Georgia is one of the few states that don’t use paper ballots and there is no way to audit the results of an election in the state.[ Not only are two-thirds of the state’s voting machines more than 10 years old, but when Marilyn Marks and the Coalition for Good Governance sued after noticing that someone had breached the server where voting machine software, passwords and data were stored; instead of handing over the data, the servers were wiped clean.

Then they wiped the backups clean./B]

And the fact that all the state’s the servers were located at Kennesaw State University shouldn’t alarm you, even if you disover that just before the 2016 election, Russian spy ambassador Sergei Kislyak visited Kennesaw State’s tiny campus in a series of events the New York Times said “raised warning flags to many observers.”

Kemp routinely brags about his voter suppression efforts to fellow Republicans. Some allege that Kemp’s tactics come from the “king of voter suppression,” Kris Kobach, once called “the most racist politician in America. And in 2014, Kemp issued a warning his fellow party members:

I just wanted to tell you, real quick, after we get through this runoff, you know the Democrats are working hard, and all these stories about them, you know, registering all these minority voters that are out there and others that are sitting on the sidelines, if they can do that, they can win these elections in November.
So the question remains:

Can Stacey Abrams win?

FiveThirtyEight, the wonky, statistics-based site, notes that Abrams must do three things to secure a victory.
  • Win 90 percent of the non-white vote: Which is doable, as most of the state’s nonwhite voters are black.
  • Win 25 percent of the white vote: In 2008, Obama won 23 percent of the white vote in Georgia, and the white population has significantly declined since then.
  • Make sure non-white voters are 40 percent of the electorate: Well ...

And that’s where Brian Kemp’s voter suppression tactics might work. Even if he can’t suppress all the black votes, he can suppress enough to give himself a tiny margin of victory.

No reputable poll has Kemp ahead of Abrams outside the margin of error. Using the latest data, Real Clear Politics’ poll average has the race as a toss-up.
Anyone familiar with Georgia’s changing demographics would say that Abrams winning is possible. If she manages to pull it off, it would be magical. But anyone familiar with Brian Kemp’s long history of voter suppression already understands.

He has a way of making votes disappear.
The Wizard of Voter Suppression: Brian Kemp’s Long History of Making Black Votes Disappear | TheRoot.com

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Oct 18, 2018, 05:57 PM
 
I mean, there's no evidence this was done by GOP officials or is a organized effort. There's always some random ****ery each election. I'd classify this as such.
     
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Oct 19, 2018, 10:08 AM
 
what struck me about that, is even aside from color they were treating senior citizens like children. You may not ride a bus that is not sanctioned by the senior center! Come on. Is it a senior citizens home or a prison?
     
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Oct 20, 2018, 12:19 PM
 
How about this gem:

Texas Democrats Caught Mailing Pre-Filled Voter Registrations To Non-Citizens



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...s-non-citizens

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Oct 20, 2018, 02:33 PM
 
So far I only see GOPUSA, ZeroHedge, The Washington Times, Breitbart, The Daily Wire, and Fox reporting this - all sites that bias heavily right-wing. Have any reputable news sources verified this?

edit: Also not voter supression
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
edit: Also not voter supression
Happens every thread. Conservatives seem to think cases of voter fraud somehow justify or negate voter suppression. Me? I'll condemn voter fraud every time. I don't see the same disdain for voter suppression from conservatives. /asymmetricpolarization
     
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Oct 20, 2018, 06:57 PM
 
Read a profile on the guy: https://www.motherjones.com/politics...-him-governor/
About a month before the election, Ho realized something was amiss. People whom she had registered were contacting her, reporting that they had never received registration cards. Then others who had tried to vote early told her they had been turned away. Ho’s intern visited the secretary of state’s website and looked up every person the nonprofit—then called the Asian American Legal Advocacy Center, now Asian Americans Advancing Justice-Atlanta—had tried to register. He found that 574—about 40 percent—were not on the rolls. “That’s when we realized this is a problem,” Ho says. “These are mostly new immigrants, former refugees, that are becoming citizens, and for some reason the registration process is systematically denying them the right to vote.”

Ho’s first course of action was to alert the office of the secretary of state, Republican Brian Kemp. When Kemp’s office failed to respond, she took the issue to the press, and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution ran a story about disenfranchised new citizens. A week after the election, Ho finally heard from Kemp’s office: Kemp was launching an investigation into the Asian American Legal Advocacy Center, alleging that it had violated protocol when it had retained a copy of registrants’ applications. Ho believes the investigation was spurred by her going public and making his office look bad. “Who would think voter registration is a dangerous thing for a nonprofit to do?” Ho wonders. “But that’s what it felt like. It felt like we were doing something that is in our right, is a right of every citizen, and it felt dangerous doing it.”
When neither received a majority of the vote, a runoff was scheduled for June 20. But Kemp’s office didn’t reopen voter registration because, under Georgia law, a runoff was considered part of the original election. Once again, on behalf of five local civil rights groups, the Lawyer’s Committee sued. State law may not have required a new registration period, but federal law did. Kemp’s office called the suit a “completely political effort to attack Secretary Kemp.” Democrats saw Kemp’s intransigence as an equally political attempt to help keep the 6th District in Republican hands, since voters who would need to register were more likely to be young Democrats or new residents in a conservative district where more diverse newcomers were making an Ossoff victory possible. A federal judge ruled against Kemp, but Handel won.
Georgia very clearly wants as few registered voters as possible.
     
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Oct 25, 2018, 10:30 PM
 
https://www.apnews.com/e1b4e441d4a448b98f129fcde0556a98
After moving Dodge City’s sole polling site outside city limits, county election officials sent newly registered voters an official certificate of registration that listed the wrong place to cast a ballot in the midterm election — the latest election snafu to surface in the iconic Wild West town where Hispanics now make up the majority of the population.

The southwest Kansas city, located 160 miles (257 kilometers) west of Wichita, has only one polling site for its 27,000 residents. For nearly two decades, that site was at the civic center in the mostly white part of town.

But citing road construction, officials recently moved it for the November election to the Expo Center outside of town and more than a mile from the nearest bus stop.
     
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...the latest election snafu to surface...
Doesn't "snafu" imply an unintended problem?
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
So far I only see GOPUSA, ZeroHedge, The Washington Times, Breitbart, The Daily Wire, and Fox reporting this - all sites that bias heavily right-wing. Have any reputable news sources verified this?
You surprised ? It doesn’t fit the leftist agenda that they would be manipulating.

Here’s the tell-tale: for sure they verified it, and found it to be true.
Otherwise, they would have published hit pieces already, decrying it as fake news.

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Doesn't "snafu" imply an unintended problem?
The media does this shit all the time.
     
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You surprised ? It doesn’t fit the leftist agenda that they would be manipulating.

Here’s the tell-tale: for sure they verified it, and found it to be true.
Otherwise, they would have published hit pieces already, decrying it as fake news.

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What's another possibility?
     
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She should be fired for either/both racism and stupidity.
     
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Border Patrol doing a public exercise in El Paso on election day. No one could possibly be this stupid.

     
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And it's Beto O’Rourke's home town. Mere coincidence, I'm sure.
     
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WTF.

Today I voted at my normal precinct elementary school, then drove two miles to the middle school next precinct over to drop off bake sale coffee. No lines, my town has 9 district polling places, well staffed by retired folks and good citizens.

The fact that some places (dodge city kansas) have moved the SINGLE voting area outside city limits is APPALLING.
https://fox4kc.com/2018/11/02/kansas...-its-too-late/
     
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In another coincidence several locations filled with colored people facing voting machine issues in Georgia
     
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i believe the sarcasm was implied.

just read this, the racist robocalls are also I MEAN WHO DOES THIS

Less than a day after he won the Democratic primary, his opponent, Republican Rep. Ron DeSantis, told a crowd that voters can’t afford to “monkey this up,” a turn of phrase many interpreted as a racist dog whistle.

Shortly afterward, Gillum was the subject of a “We Negroes” robo-call that featured the sounds of drums and monkeys in the background.

“Well, hello there. I is Andrew Gillum,” the call begins. “We Negroes . . . done made mud huts while white folk waste a bunch of time making their home out of wood an’ stone.”

The speaker goes on to say that Gillum will pass a law letting African Americans evade arrest “if the Negro know fo’ sho’ he didn’t do nothin’.”

And last week, Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue told people at a rally in Lakeland, Fla., that “this election is so cotton-pickin’ important.”
     
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Yes, I was being a smart ass.
     
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
And it's Beto O’Rourke's home town. Mere coincidence, I'm sure.
WTF.
Is it just my imagination or do Republicans engaging in this activity also dispensing with a lot of the pretenses here?
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WTF.
Is it just my imagination or do Republicans engaging in this activity also dispensing with a lot of the pretenses here?
Republicans gave up on pretending they gave a f**k years ago.
     
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WTF.
Is it just my imagination or do Republicans engaging in this activity also dispensing with a lot of the pretenses here?
It's the Trump effect. Pretense has been dropped.
     
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el chupacabra, that article is from 2010.

The article also makes multiple vote fraud accusations, but provides no sources. There's a George Soros link, which doesn't seem to be relevant to the Red State story. No other links at all.

Accusations are generic, lacking critical detail. Or much of any detail:
They tried to get car trunk ballots added to the tally in Ohio in 2004. They successfully got them added multiple times in the Minnesota 2008 Coleman-Franken race and a myriad of races in between.
What race in Ohio? Who did it (Democrats) ... er, who? You charge specific people with felonies, not vague groups. "multiple times" in a Minnesota race, but again: no specific names to charge, no exact dates or locations. Or no detail here at all: "and a myriad of races in between".

I do not find the article credible, due to lack of sources and details. It's just a list of unsupported accusations. Along with advice for voters to vote. That last part is OK.

And it has nothing to do with the current midterms. If those fraud events really happened, they (Democrats?) must have completely forgotten all tricks during the 2014 midterms. Because Republicans flipped over 60 seats in the House.

Perhaps a different thread, on the 2010 midterms. And some evidence, or at least source links, would help.

ps - I never found the Union Officials. They're mentioned in the story title, but the word "union" does not appear anywhere in the story. This reads like a high school newspaper story.
     
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^^^^

I’m going to need you to stop making sense. You’re only confusing him.

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Was it a box full of filled-in provisional ballots? Or, was it the box that held the blank provisional ballots that were to be used on election day? I'm shocked the NYPost didn't have those details.
     
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It’s pretty obvious they were stacking R ballots into a pile that would end up in a separate box which they intended to hide from the election.
     
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Was it just an empty box, a spare in case they received a lot of provisional ballots? She didn't look inside. And the story does not say who picked it up.

But even if it did contain completed ballots. Leaving them behind should put someone in deep shit - you'd think there would be follow-up info on who got arrested. Also, considering that vote suppression efforts have generally focused on minorities, a stack of provisional ballots are likely to be Democrat-leaning. So if the story's implication is true, Lakeisha Williams discovered missing Democrat votes.

I am not experienced at suppressing ballots. But if you were going to dump some, wouldn't you use a shredder or garbage disposal, and ditch the box down a mine shaft? Kinda dumb to leave a box sitting around, with election label on it. In plain view for teachers to find.
     
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The article very carefully avoids mentioning that the box contained anything AT ALL describing it as a box that was used to hold...

The teacher did not look in side nor did anyone else and the image shows nothing. Would an empty box that got left behind by mistake after ballots were taken out be a simpler explanation?

I would say it would.
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Schrödinger's ballot box - it's a brain teaser that reveals the political bent of the test-taker by what they assume was inside of it.
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It’s pretty obvious they were stacking R ballots into a pile that would end up in a separate box which they intended to hide from the election.
They? Was this polling station somehow entirely run by Democrats? In an almost entirely Republican-controlled state? Or, did they quietly render the Republican poll workers (who are working directly alongside) unconscious while they hid the ballots? And, why would they very conspicuously label the side of the box containing ballots they want to disappear? Wouldn't, I dunno, something like "SPOILED SHRIMP!!!" be more effective? I'm pretty sure no one's going to open that box.
     
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Nov 12, 2018, 06:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by el chupacabra View Post
It’s pretty obvious they were stacking R ballots into a pile that would end up in a separate box which they intended to hide from the election.
The word obvious doing some heavy lifting here.
     
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Nov 12, 2018, 06:14 PM
 
Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
They? Was this polling station somehow entirely run by Democrats? In an almost entirely Republican-controlled state? Or, did they quietly render the Republican poll workers (who are working directly alongside) unconscious while they hid the ballots? And, why would they very conspicuously label the side of the box containing ballots they want to disappear? Wouldn't, I dunno, something like "SPOILED SHRIMP!!!" be more effective? I'm pretty sure no one's going to open that box.
Ok now I'm going to need you to stop making sense too.

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Nov 12, 2018, 06:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by OAW View Post
Ok now I'm going to need you to stop making sense too.

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Nov 14, 2018, 12:37 PM
 
Curse you, ultra manipulative, all pervasive but strangely sloppy Deep State!
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Nov 14, 2018, 06:07 PM
 
Great choice Jeb! Snipes has become the poster child for shady election officials. We have to see if Fontes gets reelected here.
     
   
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