[Eug]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Yet another n00b question from sek...

To make use of WiFi do I need a WiFi card (100$ from sonnet) or would any old wireless router do?

Any wireless router should do.

Well, a few reports of incompatibilities exist, but most should work fine.

[analogika]

Any old wireless router.

[jokell82]

Here's a good article for the common iPhone 3G questions:
iPhone 3G: everything you ever wanted to know (but were afraid to ask) - Engadget

[Brien]

Originally Posted by moep 

Except for the camera cover constantly sliding open and draining the battery while you carry it in your pocket.

Heh, thankfully I never had that problem.

[Eug]

Apple iPhone 3G (8GB/16GB) | iLounge

Its front is almost exactly the same as the original model’s, now with an array of three sensors (two proximity sensors, one ambient light sensor) in a J shape to the left of the ear speaker [Ed note: The old one had 1 proximity sensor and 1 light sensor], and a wider black frame around its 3.5” touchscreen. Whereas the previous iPhone was narrower than a full-sized iPod, iPod classic or iPod touch, the iPhone 3G is now the same 2.4” width, and slightly taller than the iPod touch and classic at 4.5” versus 4.3” and 4.1”. The 0.48” depth is thicker than the touch (0.31"), 80GB classic (0.41"), and original iPhone (0.46") but thinner than the 160GB classic (0.53"), and tapered at the sides for the appearance of thinness. At 4.7 ounces, it weighs more than iPod touch (4.2), but less than the iPod classic (4.9-5.7 oz.).

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Any wireless router should do.

Well, a few reports of incompatibilities exist, but most should work fine.

Originally Posted by analogika 

Any old wireless router.

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Here's a good article for the common iPhone 3G questions:
iPhone 3G: everything you ever wanted to know (but were afraid to ask) - Engadget

Thank you all! Helpful answers all around.

Now I can get excited for July 11th without having a myriad of unanswered problems floating around in my head.

Seems as if most positive-reviewed wireless routers (on newegg) are around the same price as the aforementioned WiFi PCI card...hmm at least I get to think about it for a while.

[Eug]

I'm currently using a DSL router that had built-in 802.11g support. It was a cheap refurb - $25 - and it worked fine when my friend with a prev-gen iPhone visited.

IOW, I would suggest getting a cheap but reasonably reviewed router and try that first.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Andrew Stephens 

Max price for the phone will be $199 anywhere, so that's only £101 - even without a subsidy I'm on that so fast!!!!

Pre-VAT price. Add on 17% VAT on top of that.

[ajprice]

Originally Posted by Andrew Stephens 

Max price for the phone will be $199 anywhere, so that's only £101 - even without a subsidy I'm on that so fast!!!!

Originally Posted by aristotles 

Pre-VAT price. Add on 17% VAT on top of that.

8GB is £99 or free, 16GB is £159, £59 or free. The £35 contract seems like the sweet spot , it will be on pre-paid 'Pay & Go' too.

[msuper69]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I think the point also is that back when the RAZR came out it was a luxury item as it cost almost $1000 a phone. ...

It was $600 at intro. Hardly almost $1000. I know. I bought one.

[msuper69]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

... they're at least 11,000 miles away...

22,233 miles to be precise.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by msuper69 

22,233 miles to be precise.

No, GPS satellites are in "half-synchronous" orbits at approximately 11,000 miles in altitude. This means that they orbit twice daily, providing for (this is important) a changing visible constellation of satellites over every point on the globe. Since the satellites move over your position, you get more useful distance data than if they were always overhead. In fact, the optimum position for localizing services is AT the horizon. With four satellites at different spots on your horizon, you can get very accurate longitude, latitude, altitude and time data.

TheWiki article on GPS is quite informative and accurate. I use "11,000 miles" to split the difference between the statute and nautical mile representations of the birds' altitudes (12,600 and 10,900 respectively).

[msuper69]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

No, GPS satellites are in "half-synchronous" orbits at approximately 11,000 miles in altitude. This means that they orbit twice daily, providing for (this is important) a changing visible constellation of satellites over every point on the globe. Since the satellites move over your position, you get more useful distance data than if they were always overhead. In fact, the optimum position for localizing services is AT the horizon. With four satellites at different spots on your horizon, you can get very accurate longitude, latitude, altitude and time data.

TheWiki article on GPS is quite informative and accurate. I use "11,000 miles" to split the difference between the statute and nautical mile representations of the birds' altitudes (12,600 and 10,900 respectively).

Well thanks for the correction to my "correction". I've learned something new today.

I was thinking of DirecTV, et. al. satellites. Those have to be in true geosynchronous orbit.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by msuper69 

Well thanks for the correction to my "correction". I've learned something new today.

I was thinking of DirecTV, et. al. satellites. Those have to be in true geosynchronous orbit.

Yep, you aim your stationary, very directional antenna at the stationary (pretty much) satellite to get that sort of signal. GPS is a truly "broadcast" system, so your receiver's antenna is not all that directional (it's got usually about a 150˚ signal acceptance angle—basically anything "up" from you gets picked up) and it accepts signals from all over the place.

[jokell82]

This should help end the questions of activation:
iPhone 3G must be activated in-store (and other followup questions answered) - Engadget

[Eug]

globeandmail.com: Rogers to unveil new data plan with iPhone

Although the iPhone has been extremely popular in the United States, analysts say the success of Apple's smart phone in Canada will depend on whether Rogers introduces flat-rate monthly data plans for consumers.

“A lot of people have been concerned about pricing,” Mr. Mohamed said in a presentation to the Canadian Telecom Summit on Monday.

While the carrier is keeping quiet about specific pricing packages, Mr. Mohamed said Rogers will change its prices to be more flexible.

“You will see more value in our pricing as we go forward,” he said.

[romeosc]

I wish it worked with ipod camera connector or had SD card slot to enable viewing movies or pictures when on vacation. When we were in Australia last year I used a different SD card every day, copied to CD and mailed home as well as uploaded all pictures and videos. I did not want to take chances on loosing more than a day's worth of memories. The touch or iPhone is an excellent viewing platform, but Apple has made it almost impossible to use without a computer!

They are missing a big market!
The old camera connector worked with older 60GB ipod, but they dropped it in all the newer ones! They are worried about copy protection too much!

[analogika]

Originally Posted by romeosc 

I wish it worked with ipod camera connector or had SD card slot to enable viewing movies or pictures when on vacation. When we were in Australia last year I used a different SD card every day, copied to CD and mailed home as well as uploaded all pictures and videos. I did not want to take chances on loosing more than a day's worth of memories. The touch or iPhone is an excellent viewing platform, but Apple has made it almost impossible to use without a computer!

They are missing a big market!
The old camera connector worked with older 60GB ipod, but they dropped it in all the newer ones! They are worried about copy protection too much!

No, it had absolutely nothing to do with copy protection. Images in a camera are almost never going to be infringing on some copyright.

It actually had to do with the fact that the damn thing was not just slow but ****ING MOLASSES, ate iPod battery like Oreos, and hardly ever sold.

There was NOT a "big market" for that thing. Especially since everybody and their kids realized that iPods are anything BUT "safe storage".

[Eug]

Rogers iPhone information: activation, data plans, sign-up process, etc. - ehMac.ca

ie. Very similar to AT&T pricing, except a 3-year commitment is mandatory. So, for $30 a month for a mandatory data plan, as well as that 3-year commitment at that price, I'm a bit less keen on getting the 3G iPhone. However, I will likely still cave. It's a good deal, but it's just that it still ends up being $360 a year.

BTW, what does this mean?

"If the customer cancels service after 30 days, they will be charged the ECF and DECF. The customer is not required to return the device to cancel after 30 days."

[Randman]

It means the phone is yours but you still have to pay the company to get out.

[Eug]

Stolen from this thread.

[Randman]

And as said in the other thread, that phone doesn't look like an iPhone to me. Camera placement is wrong.

[jokell82]

Yep. Looks like a blackberry to me.

[Eug]

Could be a Blackberry, but somehow it doesn't really look like right for the Blackberry Curve either.

[Randman]

Originally Posted by aftering 

i noticed that iphone 3g cases have already on stores, though itself hasn't been launched now...
I'maspammerandwantyoutoclick

just like the situation when iphone was first announced last year. we will soon see more and more iphone 3g accessories come out…

Love Spam™ in the morning.

[azman_821009]

I was thinking the 2nd generation of iPhone 3G is more powerful than before. No flash camera on the back? No 3G camera? No Optional MD-Card slot, Memory Stick slot? Higher storage still only 16gb?

[Simon]

What the heck is a 3G camera?

16 GB is too limited I'll give you that.

[Eug]

How does iCal / Address Book sync'ing work? Would it be simple to sync both my home computers (Intel iMac + MacBook) and my work computer (G4 iMac) using the iPhone?

I don't want to sync Mail though, and I WON'T be getting MobileMe.

I can just do all this over Bluetooth right?

[slugslugslug]

I was always under the impression that the iPhone never does any syncing through Bluetooth. It's either via iTunes/USB cable, or, if you get MobileMe, via push over the internet.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by slugslugslug 

I was always under the impression that the iPhone never does any syncing through Bluetooth. It's either via iTunes/USB cable, or, if you get MobileMe, via push over the internet.

Can others confirm this?

That not a deal killer of course, but annoying nonetheless. (I sync my Sony Ericsson phone through Bluetooth on the Mac.)

I can understand not syncing music through Bluetooth, but Bluetooth is perfect for Address Book and iCal.

[CorpITGuy]

Yes. Slugslugslug is correct. USB or OTA via MobileMe or ActiveSync.

[lpkmckenna]

Wow. Apple's attitude toward BT on the iPhone is beyond retarded. Still no BT audio, no BT sync, no BT file transfer.

The absence of BT on the iTouch is even more bizarre. I still have a Palm Tungsten kicking around. With it, I can use the Palm dialer app to dial my cell phone via BT -- the iTouch should have been able to do this too.

[Randman]

I can see not having BT on an iPod touch but yeah, BT on the iPhone is limited at best. Love to have a set of BT headphones to take calls with and listen to my music with.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

Wow. Apple's attitude toward BT on the iPhone is beyond retarded. Still no BT audio, no BT sync, no BT file transfer.

Ya nothing beats syncing 16 gigs over Bluetooth when sitting within 10 feet of the computer anyway. By the time you are done you'll have to plug it in to recharge it and it will be a week later.

[jokell82]

I would like contact syncing over bluetooth, though. In fact, if they just enabled syncing minus audio/video I'd be happy.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Ya nothing beats syncing 16 gigs over Bluetooth when sitting within 10 feet of the computer anyway. By the time you are done you'll have to plug it in to recharge it and it will be a week later.

That is incorrect. I sync iCal and Address Book with my current phone sometimes and it's quite quick over Bluetooth, because the amount of data transferred is quite low actually. The battery indicator doesn't even budge.

It's just a matter of convenience, and the bonus not having to buy additional iPhone USB cables for my secondary computers. I would still need the USB cable for my primary computer of course, for charging, music, and maybe mail too (although mail syncing doesn't necessarily need much data either, unless you're syncing all the attachments as well).

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Ya nothing beats syncing 16 gigs over Bluetooth when sitting within 10 feet of the computer anyway. By the time you are done you'll have to plug it in to recharge it and it will be a week later.

Quit trolling. We're obviously taking about contact/calendar syncing.

[Randman]

With mobileme and the cloud syncing, I doubt very much that Apple is going to do anything to make other ways, such as BT syncing, any easier.

[Eug]

The lineups have begun.



Hoax, or just stupidity?

[frdmfghtr]

I'm going with stupidity, even though it's New York.

[Simon]

Yep, they're nuts.

www.waitingforapples.com - Waiting for Apples (in the Big Apple)

[Eug]

How to replace an original iPhone with an iPhone 3G

This article explains how to replace an original iPhone with an iPhone 3G using the same carrier. If you follow these steps to backup your original iPhone first, and then restore the backup to your iPhone 3G, your saved SMS messages, email accounts, photos, notes, and other personal settings will be present on your iPhone 3G.

[GuyWithACamera]

Does the iPhone (current model or 3G) see shared iTunes libraries over wifi?

Also, does iTunes on the iPhone see the iTunes radio stations (the radio tab)?

At least one of the two would be groovy.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by GuyWithACamera 

Does the iPhone (current model or 3G) see shared iTunes libraries over wifi?

Also, does iTunes on the iPhone see the iTunes radio stations (the radio tab)?

At least one of the two would be groovy.

1. No
2. No

[Randman]

Originally Posted by GuyWithACamera 

Also, does iTunes on the iPhone see the iTunes radio stations (the radio tab)?

There are a couple of nice iphone sites that do streaming of web stations. Seeqpod and flytunes are the ones I use.

[Eug]

European iPhone 3G unboxing pix:

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment....4&d=1215531115
http://att.macrumors.com/attachment....6&d=1215531115
http://att.macrumors.com/attachment....7&d=1215531115

[::maroma::]

Those arrogant punks! How dare they tease us with unboxing picks this early!

[scottiB]

Aaaaaaand...he's got smudges already. Maybe the white would be better....

[Eug]

Another pic:

http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2008009ne8.jpg


iPhone display:






iPhone 3G SIM card removal tool.

[GuyWithACamera]

Somebody needs to wash their hands. That thing is a mess.