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Matt OS X · Jun 9, 2008, 08:54 PM

Don't get me wrong here- I love the WWDC keynote today made by Steve Jobs introducing the new 3G iPhones with its new features. BUT! Still no copy/paste and iChat app? Why the world would Steve Jobs not to include these 2 important features?

Tell me what you think ?

jokell82 · Jun 9, 2008, 08:58 PM

I can guarantee at least 5 different IM apps will be on the iPhone within a month of the 2.0 release. No iChat isn't that big of a deal.

No copy/paste, though, just sucks.

mduell · Jun 10, 2008, 01:47 PM

It will be interesting to see what happens for AIM/MSN/Jabber for the iPhone: will the first parties offer a client that integrates with Apple's push architecture? Will developers say skip Apple's push and just write clients that disconnect every time you switch apps? Will third party developers run yet another server farm (in addition to Apple's and the IM companies) to manage the exchange between Apple's push servers and the IM servers?

jokell82 · Jun 10, 2008, 03:15 PM

I'm hoping there will be an Adium app that uses Apple's push service.

krove · Jun 10, 2008, 10:23 PM

Adium's current code (libpurple base + UI) is pretty hefty for the iPhone. Maybe they've been secretly working on a slimmed-down version?

NateEssex · Jun 10, 2008, 10:27 PM

I could see people paying $5 for a copy/paste app at the App Store.

macuser9909 · Jun 11, 2008, 04:52 AM

Didn't he mention the push thing wouldn't be ready until September? That pretty much sucks.

philm · Jun 11, 2008, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by NateEssex

I could see people paying $5 for a copy/paste app at the App Store.

Precisely. I'm assuming that these remaining niggles will be sorted out once the App Store opens. Is there a reason why we won't see a video-recording application for example?

mdc · Jun 11, 2008, 07:02 AM

I don't think stuff like copy and paste will be able to be fixed by a third party developer. I have a feeling their third party app won't be able to 'sit on top of' other apps and wait for input and then capture text from safari or other apps.

The Adium blog had a post regarding the iPhone.

So, in summary: We want to do it, but it will be a lot of work.

KeilwerthSX90R · Jun 12, 2008, 04:07 PM

mdc nailed it. No background processes makes it unlikely we'll see any utility apps. I'm a big fan of Windows Mobile today screen and unfortunately it doesn't sound like Apple's third party plan would allow something like that.

jokell82 · Jun 12, 2008, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by KeilwerthSX90R

mdc nailed it. No background processes makes it unlikely we'll see any utility apps. I'm a big fan of Windows Mobile today screen and unfortunately it doesn't sound like Apple's third party plan would allow something like that.

I have yet to find a single thing about Windows Mobile that I like. I've set up so many phones here to work with our network and every single one of them has been a complete pain in the ass.

osiris · Jun 12, 2008, 05:23 PM

Just a naive thought - copy/paste could still be implemented before release, or perhaps in a future update.

The lack of this feature seems pretty high on the "why?!" list.

turtle777 · Jul 19, 2008, 03:43 AM

It sucks that there is no iChat, but I'm pretty sure Apple is just waiting until they have their whole background-push-service-thingamagic working.

I thought the date for these background services to be rolled out was Sept 08. So I bet there will be iChat by then.

-t

Rumor · Jul 19, 2008, 04:26 AM

With a free AIM app, is there really a need for iChat?

CheesePuff · Jul 19, 2008, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

With a free AIM app, is there really a need for iChat?

The AIM app now is horribly buggy. Plus it's only AIM, what about MSN or Google chat?

vtboyarc · Jul 19, 2008, 01:48 PM

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turtle777 · Jul 19, 2008, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

With a free AIM app, is there really a need for iChat?

It crashes 24/7. Absolutely useless.

-t

Rumor · Jul 19, 2008, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

It crashes 24/7. Absolutely useless.

-t

I haven't had it crash once on me yet.

turtle777 · Jul 19, 2008, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

I haven't had it crash once on me yet.

From what I read, it happens once you are signed in on two devices at the same time.

You have to delete and reinstall the AIM app to get it back working.

How stupid is that ?

I don't want a separate handle for my iPhone, and I don't want to be forced to sign off on my Mac all the time.

-t

Rumor · Jul 20, 2008, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

From what I read, it happens once you are signed in on two devices at the same time.

You have to delete and reinstall the AIM app to get it back working.

How stupid is that ?

I don't want a separate handle for my iPhone, and I don't want to be forced to sign off on my Mac all the time.

-t

I use Adium, so that may or may not be a difference. I do get the message via Adium about being signed on twice, as well as my iPhone. However, if I do not click 1 to sign off the other user, it works fine. The only downside is that the message does not go to both mediums.

Salty · Jul 20, 2008, 05:57 AM

I really hope iChat comes with the push service, it'd be great if they worked with Microsoft on just "Chat" or something like that, and then the features from that would be moved into iChat on the Mac... good luck on that though.

CheesePuff · Jul 20, 2008, 12:18 PM

Yea this AIM app on the iPhone is useless if you sign on with the screen name ever on your Mac or another device. It will open, shows an updated buddy list then crash no matter what you do. I uninstalled and reinstalled it and it worked again until I signed on with the screen name elsewhere.

turtle777 · Jul 20, 2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Salty

I really hope iChat comes with the push service, it'd be great if they worked with Microsoft on just "Chat" or something like that

What are you smoking ?

-t

Rumor · Jul 20, 2008, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by CheesePuff

Yea this AIM app on the iPhone is useless if you sign on with the screen name ever on your Mac or another device. It will open, shows an updated buddy list then crash no matter what you do. I uninstalled and reinstalled it and it worked again until I signed on with the screen name elsewhere.

Try not signing off of one device. As I said, I have had no crashes from the AIM app.

Eug · Jul 25, 2008, 08:58 AM

Mockup of iPhone copy and paste.

Luv ya!

P.S. You can't read this on an iPhone.

Randman · Jul 25, 2008, 09:06 AM

I prefer Adium but even when logged out, I haven't been able to keep AIM going in almost a week now.

frdmfghtr · Jul 25, 2008, 11:38 AM

The lack of cut/copy/paste may be changing soon...

CheesePuff · Jul 26, 2008, 11:42 AM

AIM 1.1 has been released today and fixes the crashing issues and adds a few new features. Off topic, but a Pandora update as well that adds stereo.