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-Q- · Mar 21, 2003, 09:48 AM

See the article at MacCentral. No details were given about what will be included...

galarneau · Mar 21, 2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by -Q-:
See the article at MacCentral. No details were given about what will be included...

Forgive my ignorance, but will the stuff shown to developers at WWDC be reported to us as well (via the developers)... or will they be under NDA?

I mean, some stuff may be hush hush, but will we get most of it?

I don't remember what the deal was with previous WWDC's...

Oh, and check out this quote:

"Moving to June ensures that every developer will leave the event with a copy of Panther in their hands."

hehehe....

-Q- · Mar 21, 2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by galarneau:
Forgive my ignorance, but will the stuff shown to developers at WWDC be reported to us as well (via the developers)... or will they be under NDA?

I mean, some stuff may be hush hush, but will we get most of it?

I don't remember what the deal was with previous WWDC's...

Oh, and check out this quote:

"Moving to June ensures that every developer will leave the event with a copy of Panther in their hands."

hehehe....

Typically, the keynote is reported upon so you can hear the upcoming stuff. I don't think too much is covered by NDA except for maybe some of the sessions getting really in-depth with the underlying technology.

But I've never been, so perhaps someone can shed some more insight...?

gralem · Mar 21, 2003, 10:11 AM

(should not violate nda) Last year we were first shown a presentation by Jobs & co all of the great things that 10.2 was going to have. All the ooh's and ah's that steve likes to here. Then he announced that as we left the keynote, we would be handed our very own copy of pre-release jaguar.

Everything looks like it's going to work the same way. The details of panther will be explicitly revealed to the developers (under NDA) and a preview release will be given to each attendee.

There was also a slight mention that Apple had better not see any developer copies of Jaguar on any file-sharing systems, or people would lose ADC membership.

---gralem

Patcarla · Mar 21, 2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by -Q-:
See the article at MacCentral. No details were given about what will be included...

It's on the Apple's homepage now. Wow. That's great news

I was expecting 10.3 to be released later than that..

GENERAL_SMILEY · Mar 21, 2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by gralem:
There was also a slight mention that Apple had better not see any developer copies of Jaguar on any file-sharing systems, or people would lose ADC membership.

---gralem

...commence the leaking of pre-Panther builds.

nsxpower · Mar 21, 2003, 11:16 AM

...commence the leaking of pre-Panther builds.

... commence the compaining of how a pre-release build of Panther hosed all your precious porn.

Also, I can not wait for people to start arguing about which is the latest build XXXXC, XXXXD or XXXXZ. Especially, the vocal users that claim that their build does not have any debug code in it.

-Q- · Mar 21, 2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by nsxpower:
Also, I can not wait for people to start arguing about which is the latest build XXXXC, XXXXD or XXXXZ. Especially, the vocal users that claim that their build does not have any debug code in it.

Damn. I had forgotten all those "debates" over debug code. And this will also lead to those stupid "snappy" discussions as well...argh!

nsxpower · Mar 21, 2003, 11:37 AM

Heheh, you have to remember people running Jaguar builds on Rev A. iMacs or something and complaining about how slow and un-Snappy TM it was.

I can see people posting about 10.3 installs on iBook 500 and how much it sucks.

The discussions may be stupid, pointless and just retarded. But they are immense fun. Personally, I can not wait. I just need to source myself a slow ass new-world Mac to install 10.3 builds on ... my work machine is untouchable.

mitchell_pgh · Mar 21, 2003, 12:18 PM

Prepare for the:

- inevitable Debug Code conversation
- Snappy-ness (TM) updates (at every 10.3 build number)
- pre-release ruined someone's hard drive, iTunes library, iPhoto library, etc. rants
- how the pre-release runs SO much slower then 10.2
- how OS X 10.3 should run on older hardware
- how Panther costs WAY too much!!! rants.
- Panther still hasn't fixed XXX rants.
- "What is Apple Thinking" rants.
- I'm switching to Windows rants.

Ugh, it was a mess in this forum before 10.2 finally was released...

mitchell_pgh · Mar 21, 2003, 12:21 PM

From the 10.0 to 10.1 days...

fisherKing · Mar 21, 2003, 12:28 PM

so we're talking a street date of sept? oct?
am looking forward to it, but don't hold your breath!

businezguy · Mar 21, 2003, 12:43 PM

I would suspect this release will also mean Apple is going to show off the IBM 970 chip and announce they will support it. Be delaying the conference, they don't have to worry about killing their Powermac sales in the mean time (at least not entirely).

TC · Mar 21, 2003, 12:50 PM

According to this on Mac Minute developers will definitely be getting a copy of Panther:

"Our annual Worldwide Developers Conference provides our developers an in-depth look at the future of the Mac platform, and giving everyone a preview release of Panther is the best way to do that," said Ron Okamoto, Apple's vice president of Worldwide Developer Relations. "Moving to June ensures that every developer will leave the event with a copy of Panther in their hands."

Bring on the 970s!!

Visnaut · Mar 21, 2003, 01:01 PM

From my uninformed point of view, it seems that there are some rather large changes being made with OS X for it to actually delay an entire conference. Whether that means that it's being adjusted to run on a new class of processors, or that core components are being radically changed (such as a database-like file system and a Finder to match), either way it makes me giddy with anticipation to know that real fundamental work is being done on the future of OS X.

To me this seems more of a positive indication than anything else

dfiler · 02:59 PM

Originally posted by -Q-:
Damn. I had forgotten all those "debates" over debug code. And this will also lead to those stupid "snappy" discussions as well...argh!

Damn. I had forgotten all those ... And this will also lead to those stupid complaints about "snappy" discussions as well...argh!

dfiler · Mar 21, 2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by dfiler:
Damn. I had forgotten all those ... And this will also lead to those stupid people complaining about "snappy" discussions as well...argh!

And this will lead to people complaining about people complaining about "snappy" discussions.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 21, 2003, 03:29 PM

Hmm, so what to do at Macwold this year. If there even is one.

-Q- · Mar 21, 2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by dfiler:
And this will lead to people complaining about people complaining about "snappy" discussions.

And this will lead to responses about as unfunny as the 'snappy' discussions...

MindFad · Mar 21, 2003, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Hmm, so what to do at Macwold this year. If there even is one.

Don't let me down!

beb · Mar 21, 2003, 07:41 PM

There won't be a Macworld this year. There may be a tradeshow that has a graphics interest but it won't be called Macworld.

Personally, I think it's time Apple fell in line with other tradeshows, CES, Siggraph and the lot.

It's kinda nice that Steve get's his way to introduce something wonderful once more.

Eug · Mar 21, 2003, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Visnaut:
From my uninformed point of view, it seems that there are some rather large changes being made with OS X for it to actually delay an entire conference. Whether that means that it's being adjusted to run on a new class of processors

Well, I sure as hell hope so.

nelliott · Mar 22, 2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by beb:
There won't be a Macworld this year. There may be a tradeshow that has a graphics interest but it won't be called Macworld.

Wrong. There will be a Macworld NY this year, and Apple will be there.

[APi]TheMan · Mar 22, 2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
From the 10.0 to 10.1 days...

<debug code img snipped>

Man alive, those were good times.

Chris Grande · Mar 22, 2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by nelliott:
Wrong. There will be a Macworld NY this year, and Apple will be there.

But there won't be a Keynote.

WJMoore · Mar 22, 2003, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Chris Grande:
But there won't be a Keynote.

Why not?

-Q- · Mar 27, 2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by nelliott:
Wrong. There will be a Macworld NY this year, and Apple will be there.

Wrong. There will be a CREATE conference and Apple will be there.

But Steve won't...

Superchicken · Mar 28, 2003, 03:59 AM

ahh long live CREATE... or uhh ok it probably won't live long... I think IDG is just trying to get people to not think that apple has tottaly screwewd them over and they're trying to recover... but we all know the truth