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ReggieX · Apr 22, 2005, 11:40 PM

Saw the 2:10 show this afternoon, and it friggin' rocks. Everyone who likes silly kung fu movies must run and see it NOW.

Kenneth · Apr 22, 2005, 11:52 PM

well.. I got the region 3 official DVD. I love it.

mdc · Apr 23, 2005, 12:05 AM

it does indeed "friggin' rock." i could not agree more.

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 23, 2005, 01:00 AM

I thought it was meaningless tripe. Some Chinese production house trying to impress western prodcos to get them to use their cheap but very talented special effects artists. It was an advert for outsourcing. It's like the Nike or Adidas film industry.

Here's a question for you with a shocking answer to follow later. Why are Chinese movies released in the US with subtitles but Japanese, Korean and other Asian films normally remade with western actors?

Mafia · Apr 23, 2005, 01:06 AM

despite rotr's remarks i still want to see it.

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 23, 2005, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Mafia

despite rotr's remarks i still want to see it.

I'm not saying don't see it. Grab and coke and popcorn and see it if you want. But I would recommend Oldboy over it any day.

Kenneth · Apr 23, 2005, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

Here's a question for you with a shocking answer to follow later. Why are Chinese movies released in the US with subtitles but Japanese, Korean and other Asian films normally remade with western actors?

I guess it's up-to the distributors.

OwlBoy · Apr 23, 2005, 02:14 AM

is it dubbed? I would like to hope not

.

-Owl

Mafia · Apr 23, 2005, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

I'm not saying don't see it. Grab and coke and popcorn and see it if you want. But I would recommend Oldboy over it any day.

oldboy is old school. seen it 30 times atleast.

ReggieX · Apr 23, 2005, 10:57 AM

Nope, not dubbed. This ain't Miramax.

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

I thought it was meaningless tripe. Some Chinese production house trying to impress western prodcos to get them to use their cheap but very talented special effects artists. It was an advert for outsourcing. It's like the Nike or Adidas film industry.

Here's a question for you with a shocking answer to follow later. Why are Chinese movies released in the US with subtitles but Japanese, Korean and other Asian films normally remade with western actors?

WTF are you going on about?

Apple Pro Underwear · Apr 23, 2005, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

I thought it was meaningless tripe. Some Chinese production house trying to impress western prodcos to get them to use their cheap but very talented special effects artists. It was an advert for outsourcing. It's like the Nike or Adidas film industry.

Here's a question for you with a shocking answer to follow later. Why are Chinese movies released in the US with subtitles but Japanese, Korean and other Asian films normally remade with western actors?

being "chinese" on a technicality....

i can vouch that the chinese folk have their heasd up their asses. but i am assuming you mean that chinese movies are released here with subtitles because they are not worth re-making with western actors? it's true but it doesn't mean that kung fu hustle was not made without some love and care. stephen chow is a big deal in asia, he makes sure all his movies are top notch as he sees it. this may not not win oscars in america but i dont think any lindsay lohan movies are changing chinese cinema history either.

[i am unconfirmed on this but i think this film made a **** load of money in asia, perhaps most of all time in china.]

mdc · Apr 23, 2005, 11:11 AM

i don't agree ronnieoftherose.

stephen chao(sp?) did shaolin soccer before he did kung fu hustle. both movies had amazing special effects, but they were not what the movie was about.

but that's just my 2c

Kenneth · Apr 23, 2005, 01:43 PM

The bubblegum blonde Lindsay Lohan..

Stephen Chow is so much better.. not to mention, he likes Bruce Lee

RonnieoftheRose · 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Apple Pro Underwear

being "chinese" on a technicality....

i can vouch that the chinese folk have their heasd up their asses. but i am assuming you mean that chinese movies are released here with subtitles because they are not worth re-making with western actors? ]

The actual reason is strongarm tactics by China's government (they same guys bullying Japan and Taiwan). Because it's centralised they have basically bullied the West into accepting that if western products and companies want business in China then they must be allowed to flood the west with their products and also be given outsourced jobs from which Chinese politicians make more money than Chinese workers. This has been going on for about six years now. Hence we get Chinese films getting good distribution in the US whereas Japanese, Indian and other Asian films get very limited release or are remade with western actors.

The films coming out of China since this policy began may be cool to people who like to see skinny Chinese warriors and mafias screaming their heads off but they are not as good as the films Hong Kong was putting out before it became part of China again and also not as good as the films China was making before Chinese trade opened up. They are draped with some great special effects but they come off as more of an advert for western production companies to use cheap Chinese post-production facilities and labour. So far it has worked a little but because America has unions to protect some of its workforce from being dumped the effect has been minimal unlike other sectors such as textile factories.

I remember watching Crouching Tiger before the hype machine made the public accept that it is a great movie. The audience laughed at how ridiculous and illogical it was. I mean, the characters should have taken a chill pill. Forget Stephen Chow. Watch Wong Kar Wai's work instead. if that kind of cinema gets more attention we'll get better movies and less choppy socky.

effgee · Apr 23, 2005, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

... The films coming out of China since this policy began may be cool to people who like to see skinny Chinese warriors and mafias screaming their heads off but they are not as good as the films Hong Kong was putting out before it became part of China again and also not as good as the films China was making before Chinese trade opened up. They are draped with some great special effects but they come off as more of an advert for western production companies to use cheap Chinese post-production facilities and labour. So far it has worked a little but because America has unions to protect some of its workforce from being dumped the effect has been minimal unlike other sectors such as textile factories. ...

You mean one "on-its-way" monopolist attempting to steal business from the "already-existing" monopolist?

Outrageous, indeed.

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 23, 2005, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by effgee

You mean one "on-its-way" monopolist attempting to steal business from the "already-existing" monopolist?

Outrageous, indeed.

Indeed. But on one side it's private and public enterprise while on the other there is government influence. Japan and India, being free economies, allow western distribution without any demands in return.

effgee · Apr 23, 2005, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

Indeed. But on one side it's private and public enterprise while on the other there is government influence. Japan and India, being free economies, allow western distribution without any demands in return.

Nice dance around the issue ...

You're of course 100% correct that we're talking about two entirely different systems here - and the Chinese (imho) have by far the greater need for improvement.

But let's not really get into economics and related bullying tactics - because, aside from using (mostly) different tactics to excert pressure, the "Monopolists" in that case aren't really that different from each other. Neither is any other economic power when it comes to protecting their respective markets, of course.

Apple Pro Underwear · Apr 23, 2005, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

I remember watching Crouching Tiger before the hype machine made the public accept that it is a great movie. The audience laughed at how ridiculous and illogical it was. I mean, the characters should have taken a chill pill. Forget Stephen Chow. Watch Wong Kar Wai's work instead. if that kind of cinema gets more attention we'll get better movies and less choppy socky.

in addition to your political stance you are also degrading stephen chow and his type of movie. your force is blocked, young padawan. your taste in movies is like my mom telling me eat broccoli. yeah, the movie you reccomend is "good" (good for you culturally/artistically)... what would i rather be seeing/eating? I'd rather be eating steak (and watching a movie that has a focus on entertaining as that is why i am in the theater).

i've been a great supporter of the "comedy" as a work of art. thats means, a comedy should be able to win an oscar as best picture in my opinion. a comedy should be looked upon with as much respect as a drama.

[edit: i have not seen KFH but know SC movies in general]

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 23, 2005, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Apple Pro Underwear

in addition to your political stance you are also degrading stephen chow and his type of movie. your force is blocked, young padawan. your taste in movies is like my mom telling me eat broccoli. yeah, the movie you reccomend is "good" (good for you culturally/artistically)... what would i rather be seeing/eating? I'd rather be eating steak (and watching a movie that has a focus on entertaining as that is why i am in the theater).

i've been a great supporter of the "comedy" as a work of art. thats means, a comedy should be able to win an oscar as best picture in my opinion. a comedy should be looked upon with as much respect as a drama.

[edit: i have not seen KFH but know SC movies in general]

Yes, and Jackie Chan is the king of Chinese comedy. Movies like Project A (1 and 2) and his Lucky Stars movies with Samo Hung and Yeun Biao were much better than the stuff out now. Jackie knows how to chill unlike those grey teeth fugly people in Chow's movies.

andretan · 03:09 PM

I preferred Kung Fu Hustle over Shaolin Soccer. I thought the latter was pretty lame.

Too many special effects kinda makes the show bloated. I still think old-school Stephen Chow movies rock.

BTW, if you understand Cantonese, KFH's much more enjoyable.

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 23, 2005, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by andretan

I preferred Kung Fu Hustle over Shaolin Soccer. I thought the latter was pretty lame.

BTW, if you understand Cantonese, KFU's much more enjoyable.

I'm sure it was Mandarin...???

andretan · Apr 23, 2005, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

I'm sure it was Mandarin...???

The Region 3 version is Mandarin, but the "original" show was recorded in Cantonese... and I think it's available as a D9...

MilkmanDan · Apr 23, 2005, 04:07 PM

I'll see it tomorrow....

ManOfSteal · Apr 23, 2005, 04:09 PM

NetFlix.

Mafia · Apr 23, 2005, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by ManOfSteal

NetFlix.

bittorrent... whoops, did i say that outloud. =X

OwlBoy · Apr 23, 2005, 06:18 PM

Is whats in the theaters dubbed?!

-Owl

historylme · Apr 23, 2005, 06:50 PM

I saw the DVD and it's great! ... oh, wait, I mean, I saw it. Great message in the end.

Kenneth · Apr 23, 2005, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mafia

bittorrent... whoops, did i say that outloud. =X

I started to NOT supporting the torrent community.

Kenneth · Apr 23, 2005, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by andretan

The Region 3 version is Mandarin, but the "original" show was recorded in Cantonese... and I think it's available as a D9...

Mine is Cantonese..

ironknee · Apr 24, 2005, 01:12 AM

it rocks

Eug Wanker · Apr 24, 2005, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by andretan

I preferred Kung Fu Hustle over Shaolin Soccer. I thought the latter was pretty lame.

I thought Shaolin Soccer was frickin' hilarious, and better than Kung Fu Hustle, although I thought Kung Fu Hustle was not bad either. The best part of Shaolin Soccer was cut out of the North American DVD for some reason. The scene was a Thriller parody.

BTW, both of these movies would suck if you watch the dubbed version.

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

I thought it was meaningless tripe. Some Chinese production house trying to impress western prodcos to get them to use their cheap but very talented special effects artists. It was an advert for outsourcing. It's like the Nike or Adidas film industry.

Confirmed! RonnieoftheRose has no clue WTF he's talking about when it comes to Chinese movies. What an insult to Stephen Chow.

DeathMan · Apr 24, 2005, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kenneth

I started to NOT supporting the torrent community.

I started to not correcting people's grammar. Ooops.

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 24, 2005, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Confirmed! RonnieoftheRose has no clue WTF he's talking about when it comes to Chinese movies. What an insult to Stephen Chow.

You have teh small Chinese penis!!!!!11111

Eug Wanker · Apr 24, 2005, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

You have teh small Chinese penis!!!!!11111

Defensive?

Eug Wanker · Apr 24, 2005, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

-- other part of misleading rant deleted --

I remember watching Crouching Tiger before the hype machine made the public accept that it is a great movie. The audience laughed at how ridiculous and illogical it was. I mean, the characters should have taken a chill pill. Forget Stephen Chow. Watch Wong Kar Wai's work instead. if that kind of cinema gets more attention we'll get better movies and less choppy socky.

You mean like that awesome flick 2046?

[/sarcasm]

Yeah, I like Wong Kar Wai too, but he has no lock on good movies (as 2046 might demonstrate). Some of us can look past the snobbishness and enjoy other types of movies too.

OwlBoy · Apr 24, 2005, 06:10 AM

Ok, since no one answered me, I had to resort to asking my little brother.

And, yes, it is subtitled in theaters. (if anyone else wanted to know)

-Owl

ReggieX · 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

Ok, since no one answered me, I had to resort to asking my little brother.

And, yes, it is subtitled in theaters. (if anyone else wanted to know)

I answered you in my second post, sorry to sound harsh there.

RonnieoftheRose must be Kelly Hogan, and therefore worth ignoring.

OwlBoy · Apr 24, 2005, 07:11 PM

Very sorry! not use to replies on top of quotes, Even had trouble finding it the second time.

Yay for it not being Mirimax too

I assumed it was, thats why I worried. They totally dropped the ball with Shoulin Soccer.

-Owl

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 24, 2005, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by ReggieX

I answered you in my second post, bud.

RonnieoftheRose must be Kelly Hogan, and therefore worth ignoring.

Looks like a Stephen Chow movie.

Ozmodiar · Apr 24, 2005, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by ReggieX

RonnieoftheRose must be Kelly Hogan

Wow. That takes me back.

Kenneth · Apr 24, 2005, 11:18 PM

Kelly who?

OwlBoy · Apr 25, 2005, 04:06 AM

The first rule of Gong Fu is, you do not talk about Gong Fu,

ReggieX · Apr 25, 2005, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

Very sorry! not use to replies on top of quotes, Even had trouble finding it the second time.

Yay for it not being Mirimax too

I assumed it was, thats why I worried. They totally dropped the ball with Shoulin Soccer.

Nah, I was a bit harsh there. Sorry

Sony Pictures Classics also did "House Of Flying Daggers" which is why that didn't take 3 years to get released. Gah, after what Miramax did to all the Jackie Chan flicks and "Iron Monkey" I hope no Asian film maker ever deals with them again.

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

The first rule of Gong Fu is, you do not talk about Gong Fu,

Dude, you're talking about it again!

typoon · Apr 25, 2005, 12:00 PM

Isn't the movie a relatively old movie? I think it's been out in Asia for over a year now.

ReggieX · Apr 25, 2005, 01:41 PM

It's not old, only came out in December: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373074/releaseinfo