[Krusty]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Socializing health care (Carter was talking about that in his debate with Reagan), high marginal tax rates, weak, appeasement-based foreign policy, lack of remedies to an energy crisis. Should I go on? Oh, and opposition to true reform of Entitlements.

Socializing healthcare didn't happen under Carter and isn't proposed by Obama.
Top marginal tax rate under Carter was 70% (like Nixon before him) and Obama is proposing 39.6 vs the current 35 --- Obama looks a lot more like a Republican in this area than Carter.
Appeasement-based foreign policy ? Study your foreign policy history prior to Bush II. Historically, its been Republicans who have been opposed to interventionist policies and Dems who have brought situations to "hot" war(Clinton poked his nose in Somolia, Kosovo), Dem escalated Vietnam and started Korea. Prior to Bush II, the only people Republicans would mess with were pushovers like Panama or Grenada and when they did fight Iraq before in Kuwait, they didn't think it was worth it to continue on pursuing them to Baghdad (cue the famous quote by Cheney saying it would be a quagmire).
The remedies for the energy crisis proposed by both candidates are identical except that McCain thinks thinks that drilling now (with results coming a decade down the road) is a significant part of the solution whereas Obama thinks that trying to drill our way out of it will be of less-than-significant help. By the way, this difference between the two is one that McCain has flip-flopped on ... his tune on this has changed in the last several months after years of basically taking the "can't drill our way out of this" position.

Your accusations just don't have the ring of truth to them. As always, I invite anyone to look at actual past tax rates and say with a straight face that Obama's are oddly high. His rates are, as mentioned by another poster, literally just the reversion to Clinton era rates that was planned it to Bush's tax cuts from the onset. Bush's rates were supposed to be a temporary stimulus and now the Right defends them like they are traditional or normal rates and anything above them are higher than the norm. Facts and history dispute this.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Problem is, these Obama haters don't care about facts and history and have no interest in independently investigating the false characterizations of Obama and his plans put out by McCain for themselves.

...high marginal tax rates...

Only an "increase" in the sense that the top marginal tax rate is brought back to pre-Bush II levels. 95% of people would see a tax cut. No independent analysis of Obama's tax plan refutes this.

...weak, appeasement-based foreign policy...

Only in the sense that Obama doesn't support going in and invading countries half-cocked. Kind of like Republicans prior to Bush II and Cheney.

...lack of remedies to an energy crisis...

Only in the sense that you don't agree with his remedies.

Should I go on?

Probably, because you failed to make your point on the ones you listed.

[paul w]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Then you haven't heard many Roe v. Wade defenses. They all talk about the "right to privacy." Have you ever read the decision itself? The problem with Roe is that it's just bad judge-made law. Judges are supposed to interpret the law, not make it.

From major party presidential candidates? Not recently - it's one of those dangerous subjects to approach. And I'm not touching the decision itself in this thread, that's another very interesting debate in an of itself. Obama's point was that the state should not be allowed to interfere in something so deeply personal and spiritual. I'm not saying that's new, I'm just amazed he actually went there.

Essentially McCain tried to paint Obama as someone in love with abortion and killing fetuses and it just came off to strong.